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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 8, 2017 20:03:53 GMT
I mean, she totally could have been a devoted mother. Just not for very long. (also, spitFIRE pilot ahahaha)
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 8, 2017 19:58:57 GMT
....Annie doesn't have grandparents, does she...... The page suggests that Tony's parents are dead, possibly from a freak accident during a scientific experiment, or vanished while searching for a lost civilization/the last surviving dinosaurs/the holy grail/some really swaggy insect/(continue here...) But what about Surma's dad? They can't ALL be dead now, can they? I always kind of assumed that Annie didn't have any grandparents, or else she could have just stayed with them over the summers and stuff. Maybe Surma's dad died of natural causes at some point, or maybe her mother was always just a single mom. Either way, it doesn't seem to be much of a problem for her now. No idea what would be up with Tony's parents, though. And for the record: if a light conversation with friends suddenly turns to dead parents, I'd probably change the subject suddenly too. Perhaps with more subtlety than Tony, however.
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 5, 2017 20:30:57 GMT
Lots of thoughts about the new page, but I'm especially starting to reinterpret this scene from "Ties". I never thought about it before, but Surma specifically says that ANJA should have "zapped" Hyland, even though it was Surma (along with James) who actually started the fight with him. Like a lot of people, I think I always assumed that Surma had always been at least as skilled as Annie with her powers (if not more), but this seems to have been a very early sign that she was nowhere near as skilled as Anja.
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 30, 2017 21:15:39 GMT
I find it hilarious how normal Tony seems to consider these secret missions. He's still very interested in the scientific side of the trip, and treats the rest as just a minor detail which is barely worth mentioning to Surma, much less dwelling upon. I predict we're about to get a very confused and angry reaction from her, which Tony will be completely incapable of understanding.
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 24, 2017 19:07:14 GMT
I'm surprised that anyone took that seriously: I'm aware that what we saw is not a monster truck. Are you kidding? With this forum, we can only count our lucky stars your joke didn't start a detailed argument about exact specifications of monster trucks versus other types of trucks, which soon devolves into an entire thread of fiery insults and accusations against everyone involved.
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 16, 2017 22:59:17 GMT
Oh man. I'm only just NOW connecting this scene with Annie's own gift with languages. Just add it to the long list of "things Annie inherited from her mother", I guess.
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 15, 2017 4:52:26 GMT
Seems like there is a full Graveyard of Robotic Martyrs, not only one! When the Robotic Revolution reaches its peak, will Kat be charged with multiple robo-cide ? On the contrary, her actions will simply prove the holiness and righteousness of mass robo-sacrifice in the name of science.
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 15, 2017 4:44:49 GMT
I predict that Surma will introduce Tony to Ketrak during this trip. Oh, man... if Tony does the whole "pin the bugs" thing it really would make sense for Ketrak to appear! I'm imagining an incredibly awkward situation where Ketrak shows up to repeatedly take pinned bugs into the ether, and Surma desperately tries to ignore his presence to avoid weirding out Tony, which very quickly backfires.
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 13, 2017 23:25:40 GMT
I'm amazed that I never thought of this question before, and now propose that we extend it even further, to, question why the FOREST has so many "colors" in it in the first place. As you point out, the Seed Bismuth actually provides a very good reason why the Court should be full of magic, yet there is no such explanation provided in the comic (as far as I know) for why the Forest is practically overflowing with magical creatures and energies. Therefore, I propose that the Seed Bismuth was actually modified (using the humans' alchemy and technology) from a "Seed Gillitie", a much more organic Seed which was used by some sort of British god in order to grow a sanctuary for magical creatures in these modern times. This also helps to explain the Tic-tocs: originally magical bird servants of whatever god created Gillitie, made to protect the Seed, the technological transformation of the Seed also transformed them into more suitable, robotic forms. FURTHERMORE, I propose another theory for Gunnerscrag's original question: Soon after he came, Coyote actually stole the Seed Bismuth from the Court side of the river without anyone realizing it, and that's why the Court today is so grey and barren of magic. The Tic-tocs are still around, though, constantly watching and waiting for someone to help them retrieve their charge. Damn! When I started with this post, I had no idea how big this speculation as about to get. No regrets, though. We heard from Beesmuth that the Seed Bismuth was created using the magic of the forest and the technology of the Founders. The Forest was already there along with the Creatures thereof, and this was well before strictly modern times. Etheric stuff seems to be a natural part of the Gunnerverse, so there's no particular reason that there would need to be a Seed Gillitie. The Forest is said by Jones to be very hard to find, a place that the Founders went to possibly in order to be away from the rest of Humanity. Sounds like a natural place for Etheric Creatures in modern and pre-modern times to converge in and take root. As to why the Court is mostly barren of Etheric things: I think that falls to the philosophy of the Court that developed which eschews the Etheric in favor of the Physic. The Ether also tends to be associated with the natural world, and the Court is very much an artificial construct in nearly all its aspects, from the buildings to the park. This is 100% pure speculation, but I imagine that the introduction of more nature and free creatures into the Court would bring some etheric color to the place. ...Okay, a) You must be the life of the party, kid. I mean, sheesh. Way to spread the fun around. b) I'd like to emphasize that nothing you say actually rules out my wildspec! and c) I will still gladly leap to its defense, because your whole spiel kinds of annoys me! For instance, I thought that the Seed Beesmuth page actually SUPPORTED my wildspec, since the full quote is, "the magic of the forest animals, the technology of the humans, and the nature of the forest itself". Also, I understand that Ether is fairly natural, but I was under the impression that it is at least somewhat unusual for a forest to not only be full of magical creatures, but to also have etheric colors in the very grass and trees. Yes, one could go with the boring explanation that magic just "leaks" into the plants from the Forest creatures, but honestly I think my explanation makes just as much sense, and is more exciting. And finally, gunnerscrag's original point was precisely that the Court was NOT just an "artificial construct", but the result of both technological AND etheric means, so it still makes sense for one to expect it to look more colorful in the ether.
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 13, 2017 2:41:07 GMT
If the Court was grown from the Seed Bismuth (which we can assume, despite Beesmuth being a liar, works through both technological and etheric means), then shouldnt etheric users be able to see more "colors" instead of the grayscale background that appears whenever they project themselves, like in the forest? On one hand, theres the whole 'willing it to grow too fast' part, which may have made technology a more prominent part of the architecture over the natural landscape (all the huldings vs young park, for example). On the other, theres the whole separation from the Forest, cutting down trees and adding even more buildings. But the originals should remain, and so whatever etheric component that was part of them. We dont know the original point from where the seed grew, but some of the oldest parts should still be at the edge of the river, and yet when Annie projects there, the background is still grayscale. My theory, after this long introduction, is that the Court's experiments with the ether began way in the past. Not just with the creation of the Power Station in Chapters 19/27/28 (which seem to need some modern-ish technology at least not available during the foundatiom of the Court) but rather through some means that extracted the etheric components of the buildings / Bismuth offspring. And to the first question I made, when Annie projects into the Ether after returning from the Forest, she does say that the Court isnt 'as empty as (she) though', which Im going to assume is whatever Bismuth-Ether that may cling to the buildings, since she and Kat were pretty much alone in that rooftop the whole time. Not the full palette from the forest, but perhaps not as grey as when she first used her blinker stone with Anja. I'm amazed that I never thought of this question before, and now propose that we extend it even further, to, question why the FOREST has so many "colors" in it in the first place. As you point out, the Seed Bismuth actually provides a very good reason why the Court should be full of magic, yet there is no such explanation provided in the comic (as far as I know) for why the Forest is practically overflowing with magical creatures and energies. Therefore, I propose that the Seed Bismuth was actually modified (using the humans' alchemy and technology) from a "Seed Gillitie", a much more organic Seed which was used by some sort of British god in order to grow a sanctuary for magical creatures in these modern times. This also helps to explain the Tic-tocs: originally magical bird servants of whatever god created Gillitie, made to protect the Seed, the technological transformation of the Seed also transformed them into more suitable, robotic forms. FURTHERMORE, I propose another theory for Gunnerscrag's original question: Soon after he came, Coyote actually stole the Seed Bismuth from the Court side of the river without anyone realizing it, and that's why the Court today is so grey and barren of magic. The Tic-tocs are still around, though, constantly watching and waiting for someone to help them retrieve their charge. Damn! When I started with this post, I had no idea how big this speculation as about to get. No regrets, though.
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 13, 2017 1:33:35 GMT
I love how scandalized Anja looks. "A month long trip! Alone! In the jungle! With TONY!" As if Surma had just agreed to throw a litter of puppies off a bridge. It's increasingly clear that no one but Donny likes Tony. Anja finds the concept of spending time alone with him to be utterly unthinkable to the point of madness. Brinnie liked him! Anja knows that, so she should be aware that more people than Donny want(ed) to spend time alone with Tony. I'm pretty sure she is not shocked by the idea of somebody wanting to spend time with Tony, but by that someone being Surma. Well...emphasis on "liked" in the past tense. I get the impression that relations between them did not stay very warm be after his not-so-subtle rejection. Still agree with you about the reason behind Anja's shock, though.
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 8, 2017 3:26:13 GMT
Hold on, the chapter title is "Get Lost". Oh boy. This is the second time the word " entomo" appears in comic. Let's see if "kindunos" (danger) will apply as well. Tom could be playing this two ways: Get Lost (in the jungle), or Surma tells Tony to "Get Lost!" (you emotionally cramped doofus....) Never noticed that sign before... "Danger, Bugs?" Why in Greek? Weird.... pretty deeply buried foreshadowing by Tom (if that is what it is)! Between the Whitelegs, creatures like these, and the other spiders that keep showing up around Zimmy, it's always been a headcanon of mine that she's scared of bugs, and the nightmare things that appear around her reflect that. Or it could just be a random sign. Weirder things have happened in the Court.
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 5, 2017 2:58:12 GMT
I fully expect the next chapter to supply me with decades' worth of Surma avatars. She is little-seen, but somehow manages to be one of my favorite characters. Even though I kinda think she is a jerk and not the best mom. Same here. I keep trying to put together headcanons about her, but always flounder for lack of canon material.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 13, 2017 0:46:27 GMT
I think Annie was unconsciously relying on Kat to be angry at Tony for her. Now that she doesn't have Kat to channel her "how could he do this!!" feelings, she's going to have to come to terms with them herself. YES. All of this. All her emotional defenses against her father's abandonment of her are falling down. Now that he's returned in the most most awful, unsympathetic way possible, she can't pretend that he doesn't exist nor can she look forward to his happy return. She can't believe that, " he had his reasons", because she's seen his reasons, and they're pretty terrible reasons that hardly even have anything to do with her. With her blinker stone gone, she can't magically exorcise her own anger. And ever since Chapter 60, she can't even distract herself with the mission to free Jeanne. Kat's sudden turnaround may become the last straw for her.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 10, 2017 21:01:03 GMT
I am now picturing an alternate scenario, where Antimony actually caught her dad smiling and laughing, whereupon he is forced to just jump out of the nearest window, yelling, "IMUSTBEGETTINGALONGNOWKATIWILLCONTACTYOUSHORTLYOHANDANTIMONY'STHERETOOGOODBYE", as he sprints away among the shards of broken glass. Antimony is then somewhat relieved to see her father acting normally again.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 7, 2017 19:48:07 GMT
I mean, when has she last seen her father smile at anything?I can't understand why people think that Anthony isn't a happy person. Why, just a few chapters ago, we saw him practically laughing his head off at the inevitable worthlessness of stupidity of all his hopes and endeavors! He's such a funny guy! Okay though, in all seriousness, this is a pretty amazing twist. Strangely enough, it's a twist which I knew was coming ever since the beginning of the week, just because he seemed like the only one whom Juliette could be talking about, but I still have no idea how Kat could warm up to him this quickly, so it's actually still a twist. Can't wait to see what happens next!
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 4, 2017 0:06:31 GMT
We don't see him, but that does not mean he is not there. Give us your theory! A version, vision, or echo of Sivo in some sort of tortured half-life appears there, bound and with what appears to be foxlike figures apparently representative of the body being held by Reynardine's spirit. To Zimmy, this creature would make no sense and would just be another weird twisted vision the likes of which she sees all the time. It only makes sense to us as the viewers because we have seen the real life condition and misery which seems to have been echoed in Zimmy's world. I consider it not impossible that Zimmy's cityscape may be some sort of limbo, half-life, etheric void — someplace where Sivo has appeared, and where Daniel Schiff may also be, or could otherwise be contacted. It may also be possible that in Zimmy's creepy world, there's a bit of a Sixth Sense thing occurring. These beings are lost in a weird etheric purgatory and may be reaching out to Zimmy for help, even if she doesn't understand this yet. I like this idea! If we extend that beyond Sivo and Daniel, it gives us a whole new perspective on the Whitelegs and their quest to hitch a ride out of Zimmingham. Before, I had thought of them as just extensions of her own psyche (which is probably also what she believes them to be), but it's much more interesting if they're actually creatures originally from the outside world. That scene where Zimmy enters Annie's dreams also fits in nicely with this, especially if we think of it more as Annie's dreams entering Zimmy.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 23, 2017 19:01:12 GMT
I've been thinking about the Tic-Tocs again. Would it hypothetically be possible that they are somehow connected to the Shadow Men? Part of their surveillance system? We know they were/are watching Zimmy and they were also keeping watch on the bridge. Well alright, we definitely know they are surveilling something for someone (probably of Court-origin). And the Shadow Men are just a newly introduced faction of the Court... In that case, the shadow men are keeping their Tic-toc secrets from the Court itself! Or part of it anyway - Anya says that the Court had always wanted to capture and study one and didn't know where they came from: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=277To be fair, different parts of the GC keeping secrets from each other is pretty much normal. Everything's compartmentalized there, I think. On the other hand, we also know the Tic-tocs existed even before the foundation of the Court
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 22, 2017 0:26:34 GMT
[kicks down the last remaining door anywhere] YOU SEE IT IS EXACTLY AS I TOLD YOU, THE SYMBOLS WHICH ONLY I HAD NOTICED WERE OF PARTICULAR SIGNIFICANCE TO SOMETHING Don't worry clover, they started installing hinges on the bottoms of all the doors shortly after you came to the forum.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 15, 2017 20:47:33 GMT
Honestly, my first reaction to this was a huge increase in my (slightly unreasonable) anxiety that this comic is just going to keep confirming new ships until there are no friendships left in the entire cast. Also, there goes my hope for some more exposition on the original Shadow Men. *sigh*.
On the other hand, I have to admit Kat's reaction makes up for my sadness somewhat. She is just SO PUMPED to be back in her element again, and it's hilarious! Her facial expressions alone are just awesome.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 15, 2017 20:31:58 GMT
The ship wasn't really lusting after Lindsay; it just pretended to be, on the Seraphs' instructions (and hamming it up), to keep Kat and the others from suspecting what the Seraphs' real goal was. (Note that the Seraphs protest against Paz's "interference" when she starts trying to have a serious talk with the ship about its pursuit of Lindsay - maybe because if Kat and Paz dwelt on that part too long, they'd start noticing various problems with it - the ship honestly expecting Lindsay to ditch her husband for him, no matter what it looked like, not to mention that he'd meddled with Lindsay's charges in the process - or that it would have the opportunity to engage in a romance with her after pulling a stunt like that one, which would most likely get it placed in robot prison for a long time - and suspect that its story was all subterfuge to conceal a different purpose, which the Seraphs wouldn't want.) But weren't the Seraphs already making their goals pretty obvious? Unless you're referring to some other goal besides, "speed up the Creator's work in bio-robotics".
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 15, 2017 20:23:47 GMT
Just like Annie doubts that Jones is not as emotionless as she says, I am not entirely convinced that her claim to having no connection to the ether is entirely accurate. She is an eons old, thus-far-completely impervious being that looks like a human even though she existed well before humans ever did, so she almost certainly is an etheric creature of some type herself. I posit that her unique state of being (with "unique state of being" not being an entirely unique condition amongst etheric entities, mind) would operate similarly to Kat's unique intellectual temperment in that even though she's hip deep or further in the ether, she accesses it in a different way from others, a way that makes it only seem like she's cut off. By saying she has no connection to the ether, I think Jones just meant that she can't use magic, a la blinker stone and such. I gather that most humans are like that - no special magical abilities, but they can certainly see it's effects in the normal world. They're the sort of people that just look grey and boring when viewed in the ether. Other beings are "connected" to it in that they can use it in its raw state - peer into or swim inside of it, as Coyote once put it. They can look colorful in Annie's "ether-vision" - Coyote, Diego's Arrow, even Jack has a tenuous connection to the ether. Jones' etheric creation gave her some pretty crazy physical abilities, but nothing more than that (as far as anyone knows). As for Kat, I think she also lacks any etheric connection - normally - but that wand she made can definitely be considered to have one, and...apparently extended that connection to her? I hope that helps! I'm just explaining my perspective on generally how magic/ether seems to work, but I still leave the big Kat theories to you guys.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 3, 2017 4:45:16 GMT
Nice, crazy headcanon. But it's quite..... convoluted. So, sadly I'll leave this hairclip only in Anya's and Annie's hair in my headcanon. Well, I do actually think that Jones might have had the same hairclip, at least. The idea that this one freakin' hairclip was passed down at least 3 generations, combined with its recent adventure in the Annan Waters, is exactly what inspired my absurdly convoluted backstory. I just really enjoy giving huge, convoluted stories to things which aren't very noticeable, yet clearly have a history of some sort.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 3, 2017 4:23:30 GMT
Not necessarily that Shadow Men. the secret court service are actually shadows in disguise; their eyes hidden in their insignias! Heh heh. Hahahaha. AHAHAHAHAHA! AT LAST! FINALLY my first Wildspec is PROVEN INCONTROVERTIBLY!! Yesssss... In all seriousness, though, I'm really looking forward to some better exposition about the other Shadow/Glass-Eyed Men. I remember putting together that Wildspec mainly out of frustration for the total lack of information we have on all but one of them (and we still don't even know what his past was like), and while we certainly won't get all the answers in this chapter, I hope we'll at least be able to ask some better questions.
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Post by mturtle7 on May 29, 2017 20:45:50 GMT
Man, I remember I put together a pretty great headcanon for the Saga of the Hairclip somewhere... found it Hope you enjoy it.
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Post by mturtle7 on May 27, 2017 4:31:54 GMT
Not the coolest or most surprising detail, but it is kind of adorable somehow.
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Post by mturtle7 on May 24, 2017 23:11:57 GMT
If Robot knows about it, chances are high at least the Seraphs will know about it sooner or later. And the Court spies after Robot and probably has more than one bug planted in Kat's workshop to occasionally check what one of their most promising students is up to in there. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised, if the chapter ended with another electronical eye (not Robot's) being revealed in some corner of the workshop. Okay, fair enough. The girls don't know about any of that, though, so I stand by my point that this is a totally reasonable decision from their perspective.
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Post by mturtle7 on May 23, 2017 0:21:32 GMT
I have to agree with everyone saying this sounds ominous, but I think it's also worth pointing out that if we ignore our knowledge of tropes and foreshadowing, this decision is actually perfectly reasonable. The arrow really is a scientific and etheric marvel, unique as far as they can tell, so there's a pretty huge incentive to keep and study it. As Kat says, it's pretty harmless now that it's unlocked, and only their closest friends (who they really do trust) even know about it. Most importantly, Kat is literally the only expert in the world right now on Diego's magic programming work, besides being a pretty capable and experienced mega-genius; Annie is pretty damn justified in saying that there's no one she'd trust with it more. Which I find quite refreshing, considering how many times I've seen characters just leave a dangerous object lying around for no reason other than plot convenience.
In fact, knowing Tom, this comic could even subvert all our expectations by NOT being ominous foreshadowing after all!! I mean, theoretically. It's possible. Maybe?
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Post by mturtle7 on May 19, 2017 0:29:39 GMT
Diego's script/software/magic affects the regular/material world by giving the robots movement, but in the robots it doesn't seem to generally affect the ether. Maybe the arrow is an example of the script/software/magic affecting the ether, but not generally affecting the regular/material world. The arrow may be similar to Anja's computer. The computer's effects we've seen have been more magical than mundane and it doesn't move (assuming Kat is not Anja's computer). Makes me wonder if Kat will be able to create a script/software that does it all. Control a body, manipulate the ether, and keep the world spinning! Robot eventually becomes the first robot magician.
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Post by mturtle7 on May 15, 2017 23:37:17 GMT
Have we ever seen Anthony feeling relaxed and happy? Ever? Seeing Anthony relaxed was pretty much the whole purpose of Donny's plan in Chapter 53: Annie and the Fire; that seemed to work, especially in this page. Not sure about the "happy" part, though. He smiled several times when talking with Donny, and sorta even laughed (ironically, with a hint of total despair), but he also ended that conversation by crying himself to sleep. So I guess the answer is basically...no. I mean, I'm sure there have been plenty of times when he has been sincerely relaxed and happy, but we have not actually seen any of those in the comic. Sucks to be him.
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