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Post by Nepycros on May 17, 2017 7:05:35 GMT
I gotta bail you guys out again. I remember during the Discussion Wars, everyone scrambled to be the first to post the new page within microseconds of its publishing online. Only those with the hardiest of bandwidth and the most agile of fingers hitting F5 stood a chance. And now, it's easy pickings. Oh yeah, and the psychopomps were after Kat the whole time.
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Post by Trillium on May 17, 2017 7:09:40 GMT
How is the arrow a golem?
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Post by artezzatrigger on May 17, 2017 7:14:46 GMT
How is the arrow a golem? Its probably sentient in some way. Or at least was, at some point. |
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Post by Nepycros on May 17, 2017 7:14:57 GMT
How is the arrow a golem? Broadly speaking, it's not mechanical in the sense of modern Court robots. It utilizes "scripts" the likes of which are used to give locomotion and personality to Diego's creations. As in, physically etched emblems and symbols that, by all scientific rights, shouldn't have the effect they apparently perform. The arrow probably has the etchings scribbled over it in the language produced by the robots which Kat attempted to decipher. It interacts with the ether, too, so there's no telling what kind of properties it has. Is it alive? Is it conscious? Does it impose its will using the robotic principles that Diego's creations expressed (movement is living, we live to move)? Is the maze within algorithmic or does it follow procedural rules the way a builder might construct it? If it isn't alive, how does it interact with the ether? SO MANY QUESTIONS. But Kat's statement should be taken at face value as relating to the principle of golem machination, rather than being a humanoid lump of material with the word "life" scribbled on its head. |
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Post by arf on May 17, 2017 8:22:10 GMT
OK. It seems that, rather than the device suddenly powering up, it just caught Annie's eye.
Whatever, popcorn time! It looks like heavy etheric science is about to go down.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on May 17, 2017 10:44:04 GMT
ooooh, green, so nice, so soft, so... EVIL! Think about it, when have you not seen a Disney villian surrounded by green mist?
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Post by pyradonis on May 17, 2017 11:26:22 GMT
Is it sentient? If it is comparable to the old robots, maybe instead of seeing "movement" and "being useful" as its goals, it wants nothing more than to bind souls. It's like the One Ring.  |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on May 17, 2017 11:52:09 GMT
How is the arrow a golem? Broadly speaking, it's not mechanical in the sense of modern Court robots. It utilizes "scripts" the likes of which are used to give locomotion and personality to Diego's creations. As in, physically etched emblems and symbols that, by all scientific rights, shouldn't have the effect they apparently perform. The arrow probably has the etchings scribbled over it in the language produced by the robots which Kat attempted to decipher. It interacts with the ether, too, so there's no telling what kind of properties it has. Is it alive? Is it conscious? Does it impose its will using the robotic principles that Diego's creations expressed (movement is living, we live to move)? Is the maze within algorithmic or does it follow procedural rules the way a builder might construct it? If it isn't alive, how does it interact with the ether? SO MANY QUESTIONS. But Kat's statement should be taken at face value as relating to the principle of golem machination, rather than being a humanoid lump of material with the word "life" scribbled on its head. Diego's script/software/magic affects the regular/material world by giving the robots movement, but in the robots it doesn't seem to generally affect the ether. Maybe the arrow is an example of the script/software/magic affecting the ether, but not generally affecting the regular/material world. The arrow may be similar to Anja's computer. The computer's effects we've seen have been more magical than mundane and it doesn't move (assuming Kat is not Anja's computer). Makes me wonder if Kat will be able to create a script/software that does it all. Control a body, manipulate the ether, and keep the world spinning! |
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Post by csj on May 17, 2017 12:25:20 GMT
Jokes aside, the arrow is probably just as alive as those chalk drawings the court is fond of...
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Post by faiiry on May 17, 2017 12:26:00 GMT
Next stop: Exposition Station. Choo choo!
But seriously, from the previous page I really got the impression that something was *wrong* with the arrow, thus its unexplained glint and the girls' shocked expressions. Guess I was wrong.
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Post by kefka on May 17, 2017 12:41:10 GMT
I guess Annie will mention Kat's Eldritch Goddess looks now
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Post by willoflava on May 17, 2017 13:21:29 GMT
How is the arrow a golem? It's a Jewish robot. |
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Post by ctso74 on May 17, 2017 13:30:55 GMT
Broadly speaking, it's not mechanical in the sense of modern Court robots. It utilizes "scripts" the likes of which are used to give locomotion and personality to Diego's creations. As in, physically etched emblems and symbols that, by all scientific rights, shouldn't have the effect they apparently perform. The arrow probably has the etchings scribbled over it in the language produced by the robots which Kat attempted to decipher. It interacts with the ether, too, so there's no telling what kind of properties it has. Is it alive? Is it conscious? Does it impose its will using the robotic principles that Diego's creations expressed (movement is living, we live to move)? Is the maze within algorithmic or does it follow procedural rules the way a builder might construct it? If it isn't alive, how does it interact with the ether? SO MANY QUESTIONS. But Kat's statement should be taken at face value as relating to the principle of golem machination, rather than being a humanoid lump of material with the word "life" scribbled on its head. Diego's script/software/magic affects the regular/material world by giving the robots movement, but in the robots it doesn't seem to generally affect the ether. Maybe the arrow is an example of the script/software/magic affecting the ether, but not generally affecting the regular/material world. The arrow may be similar to Anja's computer. The computer's effects we've seen have been more magical than mundane and it doesn't move (assuming Kat is not Anja's computer). Makes me wonder if Kat will be able to create a script/software that does it all. Control a body, manipulate the ether, and keep the world spinning! I've often wondered, if the robots and their script were partial "souls in a jar", and required an initial sacrifice of an Etheric being or human. After all, they seem to be turning Kat into a Ether goddess with their belief, yet aren't exactly "Etheric". However, with the timey-whimey nature of Etheric divinities, the script could describe future Kat. It could be pulling from her future Etheric presence, thus explaining her ability to kind of read it, and the robots' behavior towards her. |
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Post by Per on May 17, 2017 14:31:51 GMT
In the extended version there's a cut where Annie leans in closer and the arrow leaps at her face, bouncing back from the glass.
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Post by warrl on May 17, 2017 16:14:57 GMT
One of my favorite scenes in fiction is in one of the Discworld books, where someone - I think it was Carrot - bought a golem, but had the sales document made out to "Bearer". Then later he put the document inside the golem's head.
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Post by jda on May 17, 2017 16:43:42 GMT
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Post by jda on May 17, 2017 16:45:43 GMT
How is the arrow a golem? Its probably sentient in some way. Or at least was, at some point. In a general, poetic (or maybe truly terrific) way, it holds part of Diego's soul. |
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Post by fish on May 17, 2017 16:49:22 GMT
Its probably sentient in some way. Or at least was, at some point. In a general, poetic (or maybe truly terrific) way, it holds part of Diego's soul. It's a horcrux. |
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Post by manabi on May 17, 2017 20:05:25 GMT
I've often wondered, if the robots and their script were partial "souls in a jar", and required an initial sacrifice of an Etheric being or human. After all, they seem to be turning Kat into a Ether goddess with their belief, yet aren't exactly "Etheric". However, with the timey-whimey nature of Etheric divinities, the script could describe future Kat. It could be pulling from her future Etheric presence, thus explaining her ability to kind of read it, and the robots' behavior towards her. An interesting question would be is Kat somehow a descendant of Diego? We know he was in love with Jeanne, but what about after Jeanne was left to die down at the river? The scene we saw of his death had him as an old man, so it's quite possible he had biological children at some point before he died. And Diego had black hair like Kat and her mother do. One of my favorite scenes in fiction is in one of the Discworld books, where someone - I think it was Carrot - bought a golem, but had the sales document made out to "Bearer". Then later he put the document inside the golem's head. It was Carrot, and he just put the receipt in the golem's head. (The golem in question being named Dorfl, this was in the book Feet of Clay.) This made Dorfl own himself, so he was the first free golem. Even better, later stories expanded on this. Dorfl set to work to free other golems, and did so by saving up money and buying them, putting the receipt in their heads to free each of them. Then the newly freed golem would join in, and they'd repeat the process. He even created the Golem Trust, dedicated to freeing golems in this manner. (I remember the Golem Trust being part of the plot of Going Postal.) |
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Post by keef on May 17, 2017 22:51:42 GMT
Jokes aside, the arrow is probably just as alive as those chalk drawings the court is fond of... It's the same language maybe? Kind of general magical scribbling. One of my favorite scenes in fiction is in one of the Discworld books, where someone - I think it was Carrot - bought a golem, but had the sales document made out to "Bearer". Then later he put the document inside the golem's head. It was Carrot, and he just put the receipt in the golem's head. (The golem in question being named Dorfl, this was in the book Feet of Clay.) This made Dorfl own himself, so he was the first free golem. Even better, later stories expanded on this. Dorfl set to work to free other golems, and did so by saving up money and buying them, putting the receipt in their heads to free each of them. Then the newly freed golem would join in, and they'd repeat the process. He even created the Golem Trust, dedicated to freeing golems in this manner. (I remember the Golem Trust being part of the plot of Going Postal.) Great, another Pratchett fan! Welcome to the forums! An interesting question would be is Kat somehow a descendant of Diego? Actually this came up in the days Sensei was still answering questions on Formspring. Q: Is Kat related to Diego?
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Post by ST13R on May 17, 2017 22:57:36 GMT
An interesting question would be is Kat somehow a descendant of Diego? We know he was in love with Jeanne, but what about after Jeanne was left to die down at the river? The scene we saw of his death had him as an old man, so it's quite possible he had biological children at some point before he died. And Diego had black hair like Kat and her mother do. It would make this scene quite more significant, as Diego's nose can not be missed  [edit] *sees above post* haha nevermind. I should refresh my browser before posting |
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Post by saardvark on May 18, 2017 0:47:13 GMT
Diego's script/software/magic affects the regular/material world by giving the robots movement, but in the robots it doesn't seem to generally affect the ether. Maybe the arrow is an example of the script/software/magic affecting the ether, but not generally affecting the regular/material world. The arrow may be similar to Anja's computer. The computer's effects we've seen have been more magical than mundane and it doesn't move (assuming Kat is not Anja's computer). Makes me wonder if Kat will be able to create a script/software that does it all. Control a body, manipulate the ether, and keep the world spinning! I think Kat is inching part way there already... her "ether-entry device" apparently does more than just that. It seems here to be mounted into the top of the arrow containment vessel for some reason - perhaps helping monitor and/or contain the arrow. Just how much etheric/magic manipulation skills has she learned on the Jeanne mission? |
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Post by Zox Tomana on May 18, 2017 1:13:30 GMT
Diego's script/software/magic affects the regular/material world by giving the robots movement, but in the robots it doesn't seem to generally affect the ether. Maybe the arrow is an example of the script/software/magic affecting the ether, but not generally affecting the regular/material world. The arrow may be similar to Anja's computer. The computer's effects we've seen have been more magical than mundane and it doesn't move (assuming Kat is not Anja's computer). Makes me wonder if Kat will be able to create a script/software that does it all. Control a body, manipulate the ether, and keep the world spinning! I think Kat is inching part way there already... her "ether-entry device" apparently does more than just that. It seems here to be mounted into the top of the arrow containment vessel for some reason - perhaps helping monitor and/or contain the arrow. Just how much etheric/magic manipulation skills has she learned on the Jeanne mission? Alternatively it could be mounted on top of the arrow containment device because they're similar works, so it's convenient for both of them to be there. Unlike the Diego arrow, however, she's well aware of the instructions and scripts involved in her own piece, so she knows it's okay to leave in the open without some kind of containment field. |
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Post by saardvark on May 18, 2017 2:04:16 GMT
I think Kat is inching part way there already... her "ether-entry device" apparently does more than just that. It seems here to be mounted into the top of the arrow containment vessel for some reason - perhaps helping monitor and/or contain the arrow. Just how much etheric/magic manipulation skills has she learned on the Jeanne mission? Alternatively it could be mounted on top of the arrow containment device because they're similar works, so it's convenient for both of them to be there. Unlike the Diego arrow, however, she's well aware of the instructions and scripts involved in her own piece, so she knows it's okay to leave in the open without some kind of containment field. Perhaps. But it looks like there is a specially designed mount/port, on the containment vessel, for Kat's ether-device to be inserted into. Seems a lot of extra work to go to, since, if there is no interaction between arrow and device, she could have just laid the device on top of the vessel. |
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Post by puntosmx on May 18, 2017 3:34:58 GMT
I like the simmilar external design of both devices. Certainly this design is more than just inspired on Diego's work. Which means Kat is growing in leaps and bounds ^_^ How is the arrow a golem? It uses the same script than the golems's hearts. Also, there should be something about how the etheric energies are pumped form the golems's hearts into their bodies. Diego should have altered the design to project outward from the rhomboid body of the arrow. Is it sentient? If it is comparable to the old robots, maybe instead of seeing "movement" and "being useful" as its goals, it wants nothing more than to bind souls. It's like the One Ring. One Arrow to rule them all, One Arrow to find them. One Arrow to bring them all, and in the waters bind them. In the Annan waters, where the Shadows lie. .... or something like that? |
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Post by TBeholder on May 18, 2017 16:32:17 GMT
Is it sentient? If it is comparable to the old robots, maybe instead of seeing "movement" and "being useful" as its goals, it wants nothing more than to bind souls. It's like the One Ring. One Arrow to rule them all, One Arrow to find them. One Arrow to bring them all, and in the waters bind them. In the Annan waters, where the Shadows lie. .... or something like that? Maybe "stick them"? |
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Post by mturtle7 on May 19, 2017 0:29:39 GMT
Diego's script/software/magic affects the regular/material world by giving the robots movement, but in the robots it doesn't seem to generally affect the ether. Maybe the arrow is an example of the script/software/magic affecting the ether, but not generally affecting the regular/material world. The arrow may be similar to Anja's computer. The computer's effects we've seen have been more magical than mundane and it doesn't move (assuming Kat is not Anja's computer). Makes me wonder if Kat will be able to create a script/software that does it all. Control a body, manipulate the ether, and keep the world spinning! Robot eventually becomes the first robot magician. |
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Post by pyradonis on May 19, 2017 13:39:22 GMT
(assuming Kat is not Anja's computer). Man, that's a dark idea. I'm not sure if I would love it or hate it. |
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