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Post by Gotolei on Sept 8, 2017 7:04:10 GMT
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Post by youwiththeface on Sept 8, 2017 7:13:52 GMT
In. Ter. Es. Ting. Antimony's name comes from her great-grandmother, and Something Is Up with Tony's parents.
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Post by stclair on Sept 8, 2017 7:20:14 GMT
They never told her, and/or none of them ever figured it out...
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Post by bicarbonat on Sept 8, 2017 7:23:24 GMT
Funny that both Antimonys are excellent with controlling fire. If the fire elemental line turns out to be an endless cycle of the same 3 core aspects with a little chemical X added with each incarnation, I will cry.
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Post by philman on Sept 8, 2017 7:37:32 GMT
They never told her, and/or none of them ever figured it out... I think she knows, she just doesn't want to share that much with Tony just yet. Also one thought I had, if this comes from grandmother to mother to Surma to Antimony, are fire elemental children always female? Or does the spark only pass on when it is a female child, and there may be several older brothers or uncles with no power who we just haven't met yet? |
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Post by ST13R on Sept 8, 2017 8:11:58 GMT
~Ah, I had the idea that maybe Anthony had at least lenghtened Surma's life after giving birth, but it seems that all fireheads have at least some time with their moms.
There goes that theory.
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Post by csj on Sept 8, 2017 8:18:21 GMT
Welcome to peak awkward orphan-ness
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Post by saardvark on Sept 8, 2017 9:20:55 GMT
Funny that both Antimonys are excellent with controlling fire. If the fire elemental line turns out to be an endless cycle of the same 3 core aspects with a little chemical X added with each incarnation, I will cry. perhaps each host learns to best control one of the different major attributes of the elemental - fire ability (Annie, her great-grandma), levitation (=psychokinesis?, Surma), astral/etheric projection(?) (maybe Surma's mom? we don't know her ability yet). Maybe it is cyclic(!)... fire (great-grandma) -> (??ether projection/travel??, Surma's mom) -> (levitation et al, Surma) -> fire (Annie) |
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Post by saardvark on Sept 8, 2017 9:33:02 GMT
~Ah, I had the idea that maybe Anthony had at least lenghtened Surma's life after giving birth, but it seems that all fireheads have at least some time with their moms. There goes that theory. not necessarily.... depends on what Surma means by "real young". Annie was, maybe 7-8 when her mum died? Real young to Surma might mean 2-4. She seems quite unmoved by the subject, so either she has really come to terms with it well, or maybe: her mum died so young, the loss was not as deeply felt. If the latter, maybe Tony did have some success in extending Surma's life. It makes sense from an "evolutionary" point of view that (former) hosts would live on at least a while after elemental transfer to their offspring, in order to teach/train the young new host "the ropes" ... "care and feeding of your elemental", as it were..... |
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Post by crater on Sept 8, 2017 10:42:19 GMT
....Annie doesn't have grandparents, does she......
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Post by Per on Sept 8, 2017 11:29:29 GMT
I demand that the comic flash back to and start following this much more interesting "Antimony" character.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 8, 2017 11:30:10 GMT
~Ah, I had the idea that maybe Anthony had at least lenghtened Surma's life after giving birth, but it seems that all fireheads have at least some time with their moms. There goes that theory. not necessarily.... depends on what Surma means by "real young". Annie was, maybe 7-8 when her mum died? Real young to Surma might mean 2-4. She seems quite unmoved by the subject, so either she has really come to terms with it well, or maybe: her mum died so young, the loss was not as deeply felt. If the latter, maybe Tony did have some success in extending Surma's life. It makes sense from an "evolutionary" point of view that (former) hosts would live on at least a while after elemental transfer to their offspring, in order to teach/train the young new host "the ropes" ... "care and feeding of your elemental", as it were..... I thought Annie went to the Court shortly after her mother died. Annie didn't arrive until after start Year 7 started. If Surma died when Annie was younger, then I think Annie would have arrived at the start of the first year / Year 7 like the rest of the student. |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Sept 8, 2017 11:57:38 GMT
They never told her, and/or none of them ever figured it out... What did you think she meant by "it's just how it is"? And yes, Surma died very shortly before Annie enrolled at Gunnerkrigg, hence why Annie joined in the middle of the school year. |
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Post by faiiry on Sept 8, 2017 12:03:30 GMT
This is a little clunky. I mean, who brings up their grandmother's name during casual conversation? "Have you ever seen the movie Titanic?" "Oh yeah, my grandmother, Ethel, was an extra in that." No one says that.
However, it's interesting to know who Annie was named after. Even more interesting to finally know how Surma feels about her ancestors' deaths. "It's just how it is." Very chill, almost callous. As for Tony, clearly there's a sore spot where his family used to be.
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Post by faiiry on Sept 8, 2017 12:08:29 GMT
They never told her, and/or none of them ever figured it out... I think she knows, she just doesn't want to share that much with Tony just yet. Also one thought I had, if this comes from grandmother to mother to Surma to Antimony, are fire elemental children always female? Or does the spark only pass on when it is a female child, and there may be several older brothers or uncles with no power who we just haven't met yet? It's an endless line of daughters. Tom said it makes biological sense. www.chrysoprax.org/gunnerkrigg/results?term=female%20descendants |
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Post by saardvark on Sept 8, 2017 12:22:31 GMT
not necessarily.... depends on what Surma means by "real young". Annie was, maybe 7-8 when her mum died? Real young to Surma might mean 2-4. She seems quite unmoved by the subject, so either she has really come to terms with it well, or maybe: her mum died so young, the loss was not as deeply felt. If the latter, maybe Tony did have some success in extending Surma's life. It makes sense from an "evolutionary" point of view that (former) hosts would live on at least a while after elemental transfer to their offspring, in order to teach/train the young new host "the ropes" ... "care and feeding of your elemental", as it were..... I thought Annie went to the Court shortly after her mother died. Annie didn't arrive until after start Year 7 started. If Surma died when Annie was younger, then I think Annie would have arrived at the start of the first year / Year 7 like the rest of the student. yeah, I couldn't remember which year Annie started GC... so Annie was even older than I as thinking. That might make it even more likely that Tony was able to delay, but not prevent, Surma's demise. |
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Post by snipertom on Sept 8, 2017 12:30:40 GMT
This is a little clunky. I mean, who brings up their grandmother's name during casual conversation? "Have you ever seen the movie Titanic?" "Oh yeah, my grandmother, Ethel, was an extra in that." No one says that. However, it's interesting to know who Annie was named after. Even more interesting to finally know how Surma feels about her ancestors' deaths. "It's just how it is." Very chill, almost callous. As for Tony, clearly there's a sore spot where his family used to be. Id definitely mention my grandmother Ethel if she was in Titanic |
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Post by faiiry on Sept 8, 2017 12:58:23 GMT
This is a little clunky. I mean, who brings up their grandmother's name during casual conversation? "Have you ever seen the movie Titanic?" "Oh yeah, my grandmother, Ethel, was an extra in that." No one says that. However, it's interesting to know who Annie was named after. Even more interesting to finally know how Surma feels about her ancestors' deaths. "It's just how it is." Very chill, almost callous. As for Tony, clearly there's a sore spot where his family used to be. Id definitely mention my grandmother Ethel if she was in Titanic Maybe that wasn't the best example. It just feels clunky to me. I've never heard anyone casually refer to their grandmother by her first name. |
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 8, 2017 13:10:48 GMT
I've never even considered Tony's parents, and now I honestly don't know why. That may end up being very interesting.
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Post by buzzybuzz on Sept 8, 2017 13:29:29 GMT
Id definitely mention my grandmother Ethel if she was in Titanic Maybe that wasn't the best example. It just feels clunky to me. I've never heard anyone casually refer to their grandmother by her first name. I do it sometimes to differentiate between my grandmas, and did it a lot more when I was a kid. So one grandma was, say (names have been changed), Grandma Ethel and my other one was Grandma Antimony. I agree though this is pretty clunky, as saying "my grandmother, Antimony" doesn't sound as natural as if maybe "my grandma Antimony". I don't know. |
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Post by furubafan3 on Sept 8, 2017 13:55:53 GMT
Id definitely mention my grandmother Ethel if she was in Titanic Maybe that wasn't the best example. It just feels clunky to me. I've never heard anyone casually refer to their grandmother by her first name. Maybe I'm weird, but I always referred to to my grandmother's by their first name, WITH the honorific Grandma. Granted, I was raised to call any elderly woman Grandma, and with surnames being a thing, it just became easier to call them by their first name. The title Grandma kept it respectful. Granted, I feel like Asian culture can be very matriarchal? So that could be it. I do the same thing with my aunts, since a lot of them are unmarried and share the same surname, I call them by their first name with the honorific "Auntie" infront of it. My mother grew up in a small tiny farming village in Cambodia, where the whole neighborhood raised the kids. So everyone was a mom, auntie, grandma, uncle brother ect. Perhaps Surma came from a similar upbringing? |
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Post by Zox Tomana on Sept 8, 2017 14:02:30 GMT
Maybe that wasn't the best example. It just feels clunky to me. I've never heard anyone casually refer to their grandmother by her first name. Maybe I'm weird, but I always referred to to my grandmother's by their first name, WITH the honorific Grandma. Granted, I was raised to call any elderly woman Grandma, and with surnames being a thing, it just became easier to call them by their first name. The title Grandma kept it respectful. Granted, I feel like Asian culture can be very matriarchal? So that could be it. I do the same thing with my aunts, since a lot of them are unmarried and share the same surname, I call them by their first name with the honorific "Auntie" infront of it. My mother grew up in a small tiny farming village in Cambodia, where the whole neighborhood raised the kids. So everyone was a mom, auntie, grandma, uncle brother ect. Perhaps Surma came from a similar upbringing? Down here in Texas I call my grandparents by different titles. On my mom's side it's Mimi and GG, and on my dad's side it's Nana and Grandpa (or Grand-père), but I've heard people refer to grandparents as Title-Name (Papa Pete, for example). |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 8, 2017 15:03:32 GMT
Maybe that wasn't the best example. It just feels clunky to me. I've never heard anyone casually refer to their grandmother by her first name. Maybe I'm weird, but I always referred to to my grandmother's by their first name, WITH the honorific Grandma. Granted, I was raised to call any elderly woman Grandma, and with surnames being a thing, it just became easier to call them by their first name. The title Grandma kept it respectful. Granted, I feel like Asian culture can be very matriarchal? So that could be it. I do the same thing with my aunts, since a lot of them are unmarried and share the same surname, I call them by their first name with the honorific "Auntie" infront of it. My mother grew up in a small tiny farming village in Cambodia, where the whole neighborhood raised the kids. So everyone was a mom, auntie, grandma, uncle brother ect. Perhaps Surma came from a similar upbringing? My family does it like that, too. We call everyone except parents, siblings and children <relation> <first name>. But maybe Surma just thinks Antimony is a really, really cool name and wants to mention that her grandmother had such a cool name. ....Annie doesn't have grandparents, does she...... The page suggests that Tony's parents are dead, possibly from a freak accident during a scientific experiment, or vanished while searching for a lost civilization/the last surviving dinosaurs/the holy grail/some really swaggy insect/(continue here...) But what about Surma's dad? They can't ALL be dead now, can they? |
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Post by nero on Sept 8, 2017 15:06:48 GMT
Anthony was probably made by the Court, it would explain why they trust him so much with their important projects.
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Post by bedinsis on Sept 8, 2017 15:18:04 GMT
Isn't it somewhat common to name children after dead relatives? |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Sept 8, 2017 16:55:46 GMT
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Post by Runningflame on Sept 8, 2017 17:44:13 GMT
~Ah, I had the idea that maybe Anthony had at least lenghtened Surma's life after giving birth, but it seems that all fireheads have at least some time with their moms. There goes that theory. not necessarily.... depends on what Surma means by "real young". Annie was, maybe 7-8 when her mum died? Real young to Surma might mean 2-4. She seems quite unmoved by the subject, so either she has really come to terms with it well, or maybe: her mum died so young, the loss was not as deeply felt. If the latter, maybe Tony did have some success in extending Surma's life. Seems like not quite so young as 2, maybe more like 5 or a bit older: old enough for her mum to tell her about Grandma, and for Surma to remember it. But I do tentatively agree that it sounds like she was younger when her mum died than Annie was when Surma died. |
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Post by saardvark on Sept 8, 2017 18:21:18 GMT
not necessarily.... depends on what Surma means by "real young". Annie was, maybe 7-8 when her mum died? Real young to Surma might mean 2-4. She seems quite unmoved by the subject, so either she has really come to terms with it well, or maybe: her mum died so young, the loss was not as deeply felt. If the latter, maybe Tony did have some success in extending Surma's life. Seems like not quite so young as 2, maybe more like 5 or a bit older: old enough for her mum to tell her about Grandma, and for Surma to remember it. But I do tentatively agree that it sounds like she was younger when her mum died than Annie was when Surma died. yeah, agreed: old enough to learn about Grandma and remember it, but young enough that the she could recover well from the loss of her mother (easier for younger children). I don't think Surma was unfeeling/cold about losing her mum (she is certainly capable of great affection for Anja and later Annie), just that she lost her so young the loss was not as deeply felt. |
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Post by turion on Sept 8, 2017 18:31:25 GMT
This (probably) explains so much.
Why does Tony suck as a dad? Because his dad did. (Not saying all sons of poor dads become poor dads again, but this is often the cause when it happens.)
Why did Tony and Surma have a child although it would be Surma's death sentence? Maybe because Tony didn't understand the situation early enough. Maybe because Surma didn't understand it in the first place, and only Tony figured out the cause during Annie's childhood! Maybe because Surma understands and it's normality for her, because it was the same for all her ancestry!
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Post by turion on Sept 8, 2017 18:35:58 GMT
Anthony was probably made by the Court, it would explain why they trust him so much with their important projects. Ahem. Maybe his mind came from the forest, but his body was made by the court, like <Snuffles>? |
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