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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 30, 2018 23:14:13 GMT
It also served as an important wake-up call for Annie, making her more cautious around Ysengrin, Coyote, and the Forest in general; before, she might have been getting dangerously close to making Ysengrin so soft he would lose his "killer instinct" altogether. And possibly encouraged Annie to get closer to Jones. You know, there's probably a few things that Coyote only with one purpose in mind, but this definitely wasn't one of them.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 30, 2018 22:09:11 GMT
So... Coyote gave Ysengrin his strength. But all his gifts are imperfect. We talked about this before but we've completely forgotten it in the chaos. Good point. Is the transformation (particularly on the mental level) into Loup the nasty side effect for this one? (Or was that more due to Ysengrin killing and eating Coyote?) Well, there did seem to be a particularly monstrous transformation even before the Loup event, but Ys may have been the type to see that as a positive. Maybe the question is, what would have screwed up Ysen's plans the most? Renard got his possession powers in order to woo Surma, and ended up murdering her friends thanks to the flaw in the gift. Ysengrin (probably) got the tree powers to become a more feared and respected servant of Coyote, and then he ended up with a pathetic body and constant shakes "like an old man". Since Ysengrin is looking to scare the humans this, so I'm guessing that now, even if Loup does try to attack the Court again, he'll fail and lose all enthusiasm for it just like last time.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 25, 2018 19:55:02 GMT
Panel 5 of this page: Coyote really rubs in that reminder of Ysengrin's own weak and emaciated body.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 25, 2018 19:19:04 GMT
Coyotant was a laugh a minute let me tell ya.
Also: beautiful page
beautiful callback, pyradonis
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 15, 2018 19:35:38 GMT
That probably could be done. Even better, have Ysengoyote remove Zeta's totem, put Coyote in Zeta's old body, and then put Zeta in a new body. Two birds, one stone. Bonus: Next semester Zeta and Gamma start showing up in classes, Zeta's now a boy, and there's a zany new transfer student... Also " the simple ritual" could probably be done with the Tooth and water from Coyote's lake. Should make things interesting. So you want to put the soul of a mad trickster god into a body that can warp and/or create realities to a level his old body could only glimpse and you think this is better than have him powerless... PS: I agree *puts on speculation glasses* ACTUALLY, given that fairies seem to keep their own unique powers when transferred to human bodies, I would guess that both Coyote and Zimmy would keep their old powers in their new bodies. So what we're really accomplishing here is a)Coyote has a human-looking body by default and b)gender-bending.
PS: I approve
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 8, 2018 2:35:29 GMT
Annie isn't the only one who can rock those eye rolls.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 3, 2018 1:09:04 GMT
Does Jones breathe? does she have lungs? I get the impression from her x-rays she's just one solid humanoid mass. but then how does she speakShe doesn't need breathing but for some reason she has an external anatomy analogous to humans with the same amount of holes and bumps, so I presume her internal anatomy is also analogous. Plus she looks human since she was born (along with the planet) so we can rule out the assumption she's a somewhat metamorphic lump of clay that mimics what she sees (which could lead to the assumption that she just simulates speech with an air sack and makeshift vocal cords). So, yeah, she could have some air in her actual lungs that she was using to say "something is happeni~" and she could use it as a maneuvering and re-entry thruster but it would require an enormous amount of physics knowledge to perform this task with less than 1.9 litres of air (since she was in the middle of a sentence). So... Not impossible, but improbable PS: If she blow hard enough the air might come out so fast that it might become plasma, so I think we might ponder if it really is the time for a fire breathing Jones to show up I greatly approve of any line of thought which begins with detailed bio-physical analysis, and ends with someone breathing fire from their mouths as they hurtle back to earth from outer space. Nicely done!
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 26, 2018 19:43:19 GMT
Jones makes a really great advisor (emotionally and otherwise), in that she is absurdly good at telling you what OTHER people are thinking, or would think. Being able to read the confusing, constantly changing mess of emotions that is the human psyche is what she's had to constantly practice for thousands of years. Any sort of question about what SHE is thinking, however, does seem to pretty consistently get this reaction. I suspect that's because of all the really scary, dangerous questions that could get asked (and probably have been asked, very, very, often) if people start thinking about her too much. For instance, "how do you even function, without emotions?", "why exactly did you choose to be a 'neutral observer'?", "just what are you, in relation to humans?", "should we even be treating you as a person?", "should YOU even be treating US as people?" I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of ways such lines of questioning could end well for everyone, but if I were Jones, I'd probably want to avoid that risk at any cost.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 22, 2018 6:47:34 GMT
I dunno, I feel like Eglamore is kind of hypocritical to be yelling at Tony about letting Annie go into the forest, when Surma (his former girlfriend) used to do it all the time at around the same age, because both she and Annie had a similar job. Also, consider that Eglamore was meant to be Surma's 'guardian' and even he acknowledges now he's less powerful than Jones, who is going. And Parley is going, who he has been training for something just like that job that he used to do for Surma. On top of which: Annie is the forest medium, so even her obligations are different than Surma's. She is potentially even safer than Surma would have been in an Ysenyote-going-crazy situation. I know I'm a bit late on this one, but I just think you just gave me a good opportunity to point out something very important about Jones, which I think a lot of people are forgetting.
Eglamore probably added those specific conditions for a number of reasons, one of which is that while he can use his jumping and magic stuff to practically fly in the air, Jones is...well, she's heavy. REALLY heavy. It's kind of a touchy subject with her, actually. So in a fight, she'd have very limited mobility and no reach or ranged attacks. Despite her ridiculous strength and invulnerability, that's a pretty big disadvantage, especially right now against someone like Coyosengrin. Fia's right about her being powerful and all, but it's also pretty easy to overestimate this lady. If anything goes wrong on this mission, Jones isn't going to act like an absolute failsafe to save Annie.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 22, 2018 6:05:22 GMT
Wow, there really are! I mean, I used to just note the normal animals and the fairy-ish creatures in that page, and then just move on, but now I'm seeing not one but TWO flying sharks, a giraffe, a walrus, a couple of tiny humanoid silhouettes riding on the others, three sad, primary-colored, flying gumdrop things..it just gets weirder and weirder the more you look.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 16, 2018 0:55:02 GMT
How Tony (might) be interpreting this conversation: 1. James accuses him of forcing Antimony into going on this mission 2. Tony refutes James' claim, and Jones backs him up
3. James questions his ability to think about and understand the situation with Antimony ("without a second thought")
4. Tony explains the reasoning behind his past decisions, and demonstrates that he has learned a lot about how brilliant and talented his daughter is
5. James reminds Tony of the danger Antimony will be in, what with all the unknowns in the situation 6. Tony expresses his confidence in his daughter's ability to assess the situation herself, and face it with courage
How James (might) be interpreting this conversation: 1. James demands to know why Tony is going along with Annie's plan so easily
2. Tony dodges the question 3. James accuses Tony of being more concerned with his own secret agendas than Antimony's safety 4. Tony expresses his view of Antimony as a useful tool for his secret agendas 5. James reminds Tony of the danger Antimony will be in, what with all the unknowns in the situation
6. Tony says he doesn't care, he'll make Antimony do this no matter what the danger is
I think they're both honestly trying to explain themselves and give the other person a chance to do the same, but they're failing miserably because of how differently they think. I know that none of us could possibly have predicted this at the outset, but it turns out this conversation is NOT GOING TO END WELL.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 14, 2018 4:17:30 GMT
Eglamore will probably elaborate on his argument on Friday, but here's my take on it: 1. Tony is suspicious as hell, because as far as Eggers is concerned, he's just that way by default. 2. Months ago, back when the Forest's attitude towards the Court seemed to be more PEACEFUL and ACCEPTING than ever before, Tony was so determined to keep Annie out of the Forest that it took Coyote to intimidate and coerce him into changing his mind. 3. Now, at exactly the moment when the Forest is more DANGEROUS than before, Tony's immediately ready and willing to let her walk into the heart of said danger, with exactly zero objections. Conclusion: Tony has his own mysterious goals which he is trying to accomplish here, and those goals do not involve Annie's safety at all, and could even be working contrary to her safety. So, Tony is the biggest threat to Annie right now, and thus totally worth yelling at angrily.
Note that I don't agree with this at all, but that seems to be what Eglamore's thinking right now. It's actually a pretty good rationalization for him to have to finally cut loose on Tony, all things considered.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 11, 2018 22:51:13 GMT
I respectfully request that someone make an edit of today's page with MORE SHOUJO SPARKLES. A "senpai noticed me!" edit is also optional.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 11, 2018 22:27:48 GMT
I know it's not in Annie's character, but I do really wish the fire elemental part of her would snap and she'd roast him over a spit (verbally of course). I really hate Tony. I professionally recommend re-reading Divine, especially this beautiful, beautiful, little scene. Alternatively, re-read Annie and the Fire for Tony's perspective on the same scene. Now, imagine Annie in place of Zimmy. I've found this to be very cathartic sometimes.
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Post by mturtle7 on May 26, 2018 17:14:36 GMT
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE!!!! :-D
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Post by mturtle7 on May 24, 2018 5:12:38 GMT
Given that both her parents seem like the chillest hippies who ever walked the earth and whose house always smells of weed, I guess I just assumed Kat's spunk comes from... I don't know, her robot parts? I just wish we could SEE Anja's version of "extremely angry." Especially since Tony isn't given to exaggerating. It's true that we're more likely to see her sad, pleased, or amused than angry in her past appearances. That said, she's still kind of a badass, and can totally get angry when she needs to. For this case, try imagining the sixth panel here, but slightly more intense, and over the course of several days with no easy outlet to vent aggression on*. *except maybe Tony. Actually, definitely Tony. He makes a great person for venting aggression on, now that I think about it.
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Post by mturtle7 on May 16, 2018 23:06:51 GMT
The worst part about this, I think, is that I have a horrible suspicion that the major Court authorities will happily confirm Annie's guilt for her. They've disliked her and what she represents even when she was just a medium-in-training (or maybe even before that), and that's just gotten worse and worse over time. Even if they didn't know about her close friendship with Ysengrin, she would make the perfect scapegoat for this entire fiasco. Of course, how and when exactly they use this scapegoat is a mystery, and Tony could still have some tricks up his sleeve to counter it, but I'm convinced that it is going to happen at some point.
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Post by mturtle7 on May 2, 2018 22:43:24 GMT
Has everyone seen this? I'm excited! SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (translation: "I'm excited too")
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Post by mturtle7 on May 1, 2018 0:19:05 GMT
Ok, well, from a certain perspective, (I can't believe I'm saying this) it would actually make perfect sense for Coyosengrin to ask for negotiations to be opened at this point in time. He's made some pretty dramatic & destructive gestures while initially reveling in his new power, but now he needs to actually try and establish himself as nominal "leader" of Gillitie Wood after Coyote, and that means re-negotiating a whole mess of things, not least of which is the whole Medium deal.
The one thing that REALLY confuses me (again, can't believe I just said that) is WHERE the heck all these different things are taking place. Rey and Annie are looking towards the big tree being pruned by the giant shield, and then they look behind them in the exact opposite direction to see the Gillitie beacon. But I thought Ysengrin was on the edge of the Forest, and the big shield was forming right in front of him. So is the Gillitie beacon coming from deeper inside the Court (and not from Ysengrin)? Someone help me out here!
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Post by mturtle7 on Apr 24, 2018 3:40:11 GMT
Wait, what? So the robots...and bubble...but then Anja?...or Diego? And Ysengrin...the trees...why...what the...
*flips table over*
DAMMIT, STOP WITH THE CONFUSING SURPRISES, ALREADY!!!!
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Post by mturtle7 on Apr 18, 2018 23:05:56 GMT
Do we know, in the GC-world, whether ghosts retain memories from their previous lives? Good question! I think we only have 3 examples to work with here, one of whom is Jeanne, but just from those I think a pattern starts to emerge: Immediately after death, normal people get kind of confused and don't realize they're dead yet. They have at least some memories of their previous lives, though: Mort remembered his old costume, and Martin remembered his family. Plus, it's really the ROTD who made Mort into the ghost that he is, and I don't see why such a (self-styled) benevolent organization would take away people's memories.
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Post by mturtle7 on Apr 10, 2018 0:54:15 GMT
Well, this appears to go all pear shaped. However, we know since "The great Secret" (Chapter 39) that Coyote was created by Man, and exists because Man exists. If he uses the power he gains from them to destroy them, he would loose it all by stopping to exist. I am not sure Ysengrin is smart enough to get this. Or accepts the reality of it, because he was doubtful in that very chapter that this is true. Maybe he will find out, and that was Coyotes plan? But then again, Coyote isnt really the type for a Xanatos Gambit, nor is he Tzeentch (meaning that he is a smart trickster, not a schemer. Or is he?). I mean...first of all, I doubt that Ysengrin is actually planning to go full-on global genocide against the entire human race. Other "gods" would probably put a stop to that, if nothing else. Second of all, I always interpreted Coyote's strange theory a little differently. Even if beings like Coyote are in fact created by human imagination, that doesn't mean they're mantained by humanity(the present day humanity, anyway). Remember, the enitre premise of his idea is that a person's "comforting story" doesn't die when they do, but is absorbed into the ether, and then it stays there and manifests as a real life Coyote. He's not maintained by living humans' beliefs, but dead ones. So...hm. I guess that means...that every person Ysengrin kills...would just make him even more powerful. 0_0 That's not where I originally going with this argument, but now it's too terrifying to leave unsaid.
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Post by mturtle7 on Apr 4, 2018 21:47:55 GMT
Also, looking at the background pic of that YT vid, I have a new fan theory. Gunnerkrigg is the Castle Court in the Sky. Robots [x]. Trees [x]. Unused deserted buildings [x]. Humans with amazing level of technology [x] (especially after Kat is finished). Seed Bismuth will turn out to be the magical crystal that had prominent role in the movie [x]. Everything checks out, Tom just wanted write a fanfic prequel to the movie.
Okay I'm not serious but I WANT TO BELIEVE.
YES. HELL YES. I BELIEVE TOO. Princess Sheeta is obviously a descendant of Antimony, and her amulet is a blinker stone fused with a tiny piece of the giant Seed Bismuth. The ominous-sounding Omega Project is the super-weapon that Musta was after. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 29, 2018 0:52:26 GMT
What the Court probably wants to do is to siphon ether and make things happen directly, not just inside the Court but outside (farther from the ether). A more sophisticated and sustainable approach could be possible that could create *mechanical* energy from interfering or limiting undesired etheric effects and concentrating the resulting side effects in a very small space. You could then use that mechanical energy like any other energy source (to do stuff). This wouldn't be "free energy" but it would look like it, since it would be the withdrawal of energy from a large complex system in a way that normal people wouldn't be able to perceive, and it may actually be helpful by, say limiting Zeta's power or reducing hauntings or objectively bad political movements* or something. The etheric flows themselves will likely resist this, likely with intelligence through the personalities the flows possess, but less so than swiping ether directly so it might still be practical. *And yes, the possibility for abuse is massive but that's always the case when science progresses. Dear god. It could become like global warming, except messing with magic and folklore instead of the climate. Now THAT would get very interesting, very quickly...
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 26, 2018 23:25:45 GMT
On a discussion-related note, what's will all those posts "Now Kat will go full-scale MechaAngalDestructoGod!!!"? Of course she won't. She does not know how to do that or what it looks like (only Zimmy and Annie have seen this form, and neither could really describe it). When she entered the Ether, she just saw a boring chamber with her, Annie, and Jeanne's boyfriend inside. Probably she also needed Annie as a proxy to even get there. But...b-but...KAIJU VS. MECHA BATTLES!!!!! YOU CAN'T DENY THE KAIJU VS. MECHA BATTLE!!! CAN YOU?!?
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 26, 2018 22:47:58 GMT
This is the second time I've seen a reference to John's death. Did I miss something? Why do we believe John (as in John and Margo, right?) is dead? The links below this page.Because according to the Laws of Flashback Tropes, you're not allowed to wistfully dream about your old high-school boyfriend unless a)you're meeting him again for the first time in years or b) he's dead.
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 21, 2018 22:48:11 GMT
I still can't believe the court just put the seeds in little jars on a shelf and left it at that. They don't even look like they were dissected or anything. It really shows how little they think of the forest folk, for them to ignore such a completely obvious trick/trap. Actually, isn't a situation like this literally EXACTLY what Bob and Marcia's decontamination habitat is for? Between them and those hazmat suit guys, I thought that all plant matter that might be from the Forest would either have it's links broken entirely (after being planted and studied), or else be destroyed. Maybe the seeds were, like, REALLY scientifically interesting. So interesting, they couldn't even bear to put them in a decon habitat, they just had to keep them in the lab and study them without harming them...for, uh, more than three years. Sure, this sounds plausible.
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 15, 2018 5:01:15 GMT
I always used to wonder why the hell the schoolteachers & teenage students the ones who are made Court Protector and Medium and representative to the Forest and all that. I mean, these are really important jobs, shouldn't they have a whole department for this?? Then I finally remembered that the Court doesn't consider it an important job at all, because the Forest creatures are just annoying, dull minded animals. So, they must have just offloaded all the least important jobs on the teachers & students. No wonder the Headmaster looks so bored; he signed up to run a school, not sit in a big fancy throne and listen to men in outdated armor argue with magic dog creatures.
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 15, 2018 4:50:29 GMT
All this talk about the Court providing for needs raises an important question. Where is the court getting all the money for this? They're like a self sustaining little city, but if no one buys anything or gets paid for their work, and the court doesn't sell anything... I don't believe that's ever been answered. The Court doesn't receive funding but provides whatever is needed for their people, even Antimony's makeup. Presumably they do it with the proceeds from unpaid robot labor and expertise in etheric problem-solving. Some things they may directly manufacture themselves but other things, like brand-name crisps for example, would have to be imported which implies that there exists at least some sort of trade relationship where money changes hands, at least on paper. Though they don't get paid as such, some people are more important that others and can apparently ask for more compensation; there appears to be some sort of gains and returns system in place. Of course that begs the question of who decides who needs what when, and who's contribution is worth what, and that also hasn't been answered. From what we have seen (a Headmaster exists and there are people higher than him, The Shadowmen are a thing, and there's a throne-like chair in the meet and greet room) and how long ago it was founded I think we can infer that the Court is run by some sort of oligarchy (possibly hereditary) supported by a loose-ish bureaucracy. It has also been Formsprung that the Court was not exactly a military organization, at least at some point, and the current men in black are probably paramilitary. We do know the residents of the Court do not vote in general elections in the UK. We also know that some people are told they have particular jobs (or they can volunteer and go through application processes). Perhaps the oligarchy rules through consent of the governed via popular opinion instead of elections, but given the existence of a paramilitary arm and a secret police this system of governance would appear to be... problematic. One could reasonably expect that those in charge also decide who needs to know what on a regular basis (at least some of the research is secret and the cover-up after Jeanne's death didn't appear to present much of a problem) and therefore the general population's support of the oligarchy is not as well-informed as it could be. Small wonder that there are a few people who are not fans and take measures to protect themselves from Court surveillance. The best thing that can be said of the Court's organization is that the small population means that leadership can't be too far removed from those who carry out the orders in an organizational sense, though the large size of the sparsely-populated Court may counteract that on a practical level and there are probably a number of social barriers that we haven't seen too much of. We do know that class is a factor (re: Janet/Winsbury) but religion is probably not. Some important clues you missed: the Court assisted in the war effort during WW2, under the condition that it was kept absolutely secret. Also, at least according to Jimmy, "not as well-informed as it could be" is a huge understatement; bureaucracy doesn't even begin to describe it. I think I always had the impression that the Court has just mastered the art of compartmentalization, so that everyone knows what their job is right now and which individual told them they had that job, and nothing else. And then, they're usually so busy with that job and/or so happy with the reward that they don't really question the system. Who/what is at the bottom of it is a mystery I'm hoping will become more unraveled later in the comic. And incidentally, I don't think there's actually any class struggle involved in Janetbury. They just act like that because they're melodramatic idiots and Janet's dad happens to be the school principal.
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 13, 2018 20:10:06 GMT
Wow, good catch! It seems such an obvious question to ask now, but somehow I never thought about it all until now! *goes back to reread* Yeah, in retrospect the interactions in that scene between Mort and Jones seem like an...awkwardly formal, but definitely long-standing relationship to me. They probably met a while after Jones came to the Court. In fact, since she had a perfect memory, she probably remembered that the kid she recommended to the ROTD and went looking for him around the school so that she could use him for just this sort of purpose. I imagine Mort would have been REALLY confused to see her there, but strategic social manipulation is kind of Jones' thing, so it wouldn't be that hard to put him (mostly) at ease. Heh. I'll bet that if the kids had ever asked him what he thought about Jones("is she a robot?"), his reaction would have been all like, "She's super powerful & important or something I guess? I know she can get hit by bombs and not even get scratched. She's actually really nice in a cold, creepy, mysterious way, but I don't know what she really is and I don't want to. Can we talk about something else?"
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