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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 29, 2017 21:58:43 GMT
While Coyote picking out Annie for an uncertain pivotal role should connect to what Mort said about her, I think Coyote's jealousy is because he is in love with himself and his plan, which is to him, rather like a single thought that, in this world, needs to be realized in many steps that he doesn't consider much before acting on them, such that he is himself "surprised" by the end result, yet he has actually changed nothing that wasn't within himself from the beginning. Consider it the impossible goal: a pristine translation. The clue I'm building this hypothesis around is the dead goose in a bush next to a lake. Coyote's introduction of his realm to Annie (the "my ever watching eyes, the Sun and the Moon" speech) clearly shows him as in love with his tremendous power (he even prances about above a reflective surface) -- how insulting that another love should stand against such. Remember the Betrayer's Crusade. I've told you, but I'll repeat my belief that Coyote, unlike most Etheric beings we've seen, is "monadic" in how single-faceted he is -- thus his Etheric form as an endless ribbon of teeth (or perhaps kymation), whereas the more human and conflicted beings (Renard, Ysengrin...) appear closer to their non-Etheric material. Nonetheless, I think the idea of Annie being offered a "cure" by Coyote, traded against her nature, fits perfectly with an ongoing theme (Ysengrin's armor; arguably, Tony's imitation of Jones that falls apart so often; Jenny "substituting" for hallucinogenic Zimmy, aware of Jack's unresolved love...). Don't forget Renard switching bodies! Not to mention all these different robots switching bodies, or Parley's "Coward Heart"
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 29, 2017 7:16:14 GMT
I speculate (please adjust your tinfoil hat) that at some point in the comic, Coyote will offer Annie a deal; he will marry her, " cure" her and give her the possibility to have a child, (or more than one!) and live. He'll probably throw in some threats and promises for good measure. Obviously she will turn him down. I would like to add that merely one motive is not enough for Coyote, he needs to manipulate her into accomplishing even more of his nefarious goals. For instance, he might give her the "cure" by just giving her the means to find/create it herself, like Tony and the psychopomps.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 25, 2017 6:50:20 GMT
They probably have a plan to confront the bastard Tony, and get some answers. Actually, now I'm picturing Kat and Annie's plan as being more like this, with Kat as Steven.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 24, 2017 4:44:12 GMT
I think Kat should know by now that you can't force Tony out of his shell. My guess is that Kat is setting them up and will leave them alone doing work Tony is comfortable with. Probably hoping this will help Tony open up to Annie like he opened up to Surma in the jungle. Now I am really perplexed about Renard's afternoon appointment. Maybe this chapter will be a series of vignettes that only have Kat in common. Here we have Annie/Tony being set up by Kat. Maybe Robot and Paz will each get their own vignettes with Kat. Renard can act as bookends and close the chapter out. I just realized what a great twist it would beif Kat just set them up with work together, left the room, and then the rest of the chapter is entirely from her perspective, so that we NEVER actually learn what Annie and Tony talked about. I mean, granted, it would drive 90% of the forums crazy with frustration and anger, but that honestly only makes me want it more. I'm a terrible person that way.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 20, 2017 21:08:36 GMT
Weeeeelllll, the thing is, the whole mission down in the ravine had to be hidden from the Court's eyes, so there was no point in excluding a powerful ally like Renard. I still want to know why they did it. Maybe concern that one member of the group had to stay home, in case everyone in the expedition got killed, as a precaution? And, yes, we really could use an explanation for that one. Maybe we'll get one in this chapter. I don't really see why they would bring him along? Everyone there had a very specific part in the plan (except Red because she's a stubborn jerk): Ayilu and Parley keep Jeanne distracted in an illusion, Robot and Parley engage in swordplay as a last resort, Kat uses her Diego-inspired gadgets to find the arrow and contain it after Annie pulls it up from the riverbed. Rey has plenty of good qualities, like his wolf or plushie forms and his centuries of experience with people and magic, but I don't think he would be all that useful in this kind of plan. They didn't bring Shadow 2 either, or any of their friends from Queslett Year 10, and nobody's questioning that.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 20, 2017 18:25:00 GMT
She's always just assumed that it's just perfectly normal to make small things appear out of nowhere. It's really confusing for her when people ask her for things like pencils when they could just make them appear themselves, but she's decided it must be a purely social thing, like making tea for guests or something. Eventually someone's going to have to tell her the truth, but that day has not yet come.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 14, 2017 2:03:48 GMT
Holy cow this thread is way more interesting than I thought it would be. I think I'm most intruiged by flowsthead's observation here. It seems strange but all of the traditional Court characters we know talk about the Court as if they themselves are not part of it. Tony is most involved, and he also talks about it as if he isn't part of it. On the other hand, no matter how evil Coyote is he cannot represent the whole Forest because the Forest creatures are too distinct from each other to be one thing. The Court as described still seems nebulous, and if their nefarious counterpart is Coyote, we at least have moments of characterization on his part that lets us empathize or try to with him. So far, the Court has nothing of the kind. As a rule, any sort of system of governence needs a figurehead: a dean, a king, a president, a chariman, or whatever. We're pretty used to thinking of a government as a single, completely responsible person. Gunnerkrigg Court doesn't really seem to have someone to do that. And that's lead to the peculiar situation which flowsthead cleverly points out (I can't believe I noticed before): all these people who are obviously very important in Gunnerkrigg Court - Anja, Eglamore, even the Headmaster, to name a few - keep referring to "the Court" as if it was entirely separate entity from them, as if somewhere there's a big monster labeled "the Court" which is controlling everything at once. I've gotta agree with todd about "the Court": That's just it: a whole lot of people just doing their jobs loyally. Not only is there no single leader, there's not even a single council or congress; there's nobody at the top because there is no top, it all just cycles back into a system of endless departments sending memos to each other. You can't really characterize that as good or evil. On the other hand, you might try to characterize the people in it as good or evil, but that's a different question.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 12, 2017 22:46:09 GMT
On the topic of potential Annie pairings and side characters we haven't seen in a while, let's not forget about Matt. The last time we heard from him, he was pining over some moon girl, mostly as a plot device to nudge Paz and Kat together. Since then, he's pretty much disappeared. 1 Maybe he went to an exchange program in China for a year or two. But it's still possible that he'll stroll in one of these fine days, tall and buff and sporting totally-not-ridiculous facial hair, saying, "Hey, ladies. Miss me?" And since he isn't likely to see Chang'e again, I'd say he's rather available. (Okay, yeah, probably not. I'll stick with Annie X Jack for the time being.) 1 I guess this does look like him in The Torn Sea. So apparently he's still around. As soon as I read this, I thought, "oh come on. we saw him with the rest of Annie's circle of friends in Chapter 57...didn't we?" Turns out we didn't. Now I'm wondering if he actually left on an exchange program or something like you said, or if something happened so he's just not friends with them anymore.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 10, 2017 1:05:55 GMT
It may have been pointed out before, but I noticed that in spite of her invulnerability to the ether, in chapter 23 Jones is teleported by Parley alongside everyone. Explains why she doesn't call it teleportation, but space distortion - had it been teleportation, Jones wouldn't be teleported, which led her to the conclusion that it was the space arunt them that was distorted instead. Clever wording, however one that poses a few more questions - Will we see other uses of such power, if there's more to it than teleportation? Is it space distortion at all, or maybe teleportation and we've seen Jones to not be so immune to the ether after all? I don't think Jones is invulnerable to the ether, exactly: she just says she has no particular connection to it. The whole "stone" analogy she likes to use holds up pretty well here: stones aren't particularly magical, but you can still use magic to affect it. Also, I honestly never thought of "teleportation" as a different thing from "space distortion". Care to explain a little more what definition you're using there?
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 9, 2017 6:49:40 GMT
I was summoned. Shipped Parley and Smitty before it was canon. Then shipped Kat/Paz, now it's canon. Only noncanon ship, as I mentioned in wildspec, I guess is Jack/Annie, which stands a chance of being canon, but I don't know that it will be. Becky/Annie, joking or not, is actually something I've considered. I've always wondered what they were talking about in that one chapter. It's rare for Annie to interact 1:1 with human kids besides Kat, so I like to imagine there is something really special about Becky. Kind of want her to become a real character. I don't think Becky's actually going to become a character in the comic - she's always a background character (hence the name), but I do enjoy using using her as sort of an ultimate headcanon repository: as long as it isn't explicitly denied in-comic that she took part in something which happened off-screen, I assume that she did. For instance, she came up with the students' plan in Chapter 49, and Annie totally took credit for her ideas in Chapter 24, and of course she was instrumental in Chapter 12a: Cursed Teapot Woes. ...You know, I just realized. From this perspective, one could probably go a step farther than hoping for a Becky/Annie relationship at some point in the future: in fact, one could say they're already dating, and have been doing so for months. After all, it hasn't actually been denied, has it? Even in Chapter 57, she just says she's "not looking for anything right now". Technically, this doesn't mean she's single, just that she doesn't want to date anyone else. It doesn't make much sense, but it's technically not impossible, so THEREFORE IT IS TRUE.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 8, 2017 5:32:18 GMT
Recently in the WildSpec thread I was just making a joke absolutely serious post about my glorious OTP of Annie/Becky Ground when suddenly keef and pinegreenjellybean directed the conversation to this old shipping thread. And what with all the frustrating, never-ending arguments about Surma and Tony that have been dominating the forum for ages now, I figured this was exactly what I needed. So, I'm pulling some necromancy. So, besides the aforementioned OTP, my next favorite is probably Zimmy/Gamma because holy crap those two are adorable in the most bizarre and disturbing situations. I really want to see more of them; for crying out loud, they didn't even show up AT ALL in the last volume. This should not be allowed. How about you guys? Any favorite 'ships you want to see more of in the comic?
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 7, 2017 4:30:27 GMT
Oh, there are so many crowd scenes in the earlier chapters and random side characters, as well as children of gods, I'm sure one of them might make a good first romance. speedwellMy money's on a new character actually. Maybe someone from the Forest. Maybe someone new to the Court. All I feel sure of is that it is going to be a human character and it will be someone who is nice to her. That's where she's at right now in her head. Dear God, it's so obvious now: Becky Ground!!! She's been working up the courage to actually talk to Annie for years, and it'll finally happen in just a few chapters. I ABSOLUTELY SHIP THIS NOW. DEFY ME AT YOU PERIL.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 7, 2017 4:23:39 GMT
Speaking of which, how did Jack get his abilities? Tom confirmed that he might have had some etheric potential before Zimmy, but from what we've seen, etheric abilities seem largely inherited. Given that Jack's dad clearly had some problems with it, I'm assuming he didn't inherit anything from him... So begs the question, did something happen to Jack when he was younger to give him his sensitivities, or did Mr. Hyland get involved with someone who was more than a little bit what he'd been so prejudiced about?
Wild speculation that Mrs. Hyland is a bit etheric because that would be really hilarious/dramatic.
PS: Or, what if Mr. Hyland found out that he had etheric abilities, and, after some angst, reformed his ways and became, as Tom said, "Just a normal guy? Wildspec: Jack's mom is actually Brinnie. My evidence for this is that it is technically possible, would solve an interesting mystery, and involves two otherwise unexplored characters who clearly need more development. IT IS THE BEST POSSIBLE EVIDENCE.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 7, 2017 4:09:24 GMT
Somehow, all I can think of is this: "That doesn't explain anything!" "It explains enough, doesn't it?" "Ugh! That's a terrible ethic!" ( gunnerkrigg.com/?p=410) It applies to pretty much everything on this page.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 5, 2017 19:40:39 GMT
(it would be fairly counterproductive to observing humanity if she were having to deal with people who want to try and contain her for study, the Court at least allows her to do whatever she wants as long as they get to scan her every now and then). Fun fact: the Court did actually try to contain her in the early days of their acquaintance , using a cage of etherically-enhanced tritanium alloy. She promptly walked straight through the wall and patiently explained that any further attempts like this would not be tolerated and may force her to take drastic measures. The Court does not try to to find ways of containing Jones anymore.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 2, 2017 23:30:20 GMT
I do find Jones a bit unsettling. We've speculated about her emotional states, but, more pressingly: Does she have moral commitments? If the answer is "no" or "how could she?" or "probably not," I think Jones is potentially the scariest character at Gunnerkrigg, however benevolent she's seemed thus far. I mean, she is on no one's side, as far as we know - not GC's, not Coyote's; she doesn't seem particularly inclined to prevent World Wars or anything. Adding on to this point a little - Annie once pointed out that Jones may very well be the most important being on the face of the planet. Her moment of conception is so singularly significant as to be almost Biblical ("first there was nothing but chaos. Then there was Jones."), her knowledge and experience far outstrips any sentient being in all of history, she is literally invulnerable to any possible kind of physical harm, and her muscle strength is just about infinite. Even without considering what the heck her motivations are, this is DOWNRIGHT TERRIFYING. If Jones just decided to just kill every single living being on the planet, she could do it. Easily. I mean, even if we knew it was coming, there would literally be no way for us to stop her. She is both an immovable object and an unstoppable force, with billions of years worth of experience and knowledge in the bargain. And, as you say, she is on no one's side but her own. The only emotional attachment we're aware of is Jimmy Jims, and even that's kind of dubious. The only moral rule which she seems to follow is basically the Prime Directive, and any Trekkie can tell you exactly how reliable that is. Underestimate Jones at your own peril.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 1, 2017 1:51:00 GMT
I think his reaction or lack of it must be read in the context of his understanding that Jones doesn't send or receive genuinely human emotions. She's picking that moment to mimic romantic affection, which he seems to find squicky, inappropriate and/or a poor substitute, but it's not enough for a freak-out because he's accustomed to her doing things approaching this and knows it would serve no purpose anyway. So in conclusion I would say there's no evidence of an actual Eglamore-Jones erotic relationship, but there's nothing to prevent wild speculation on the subject. Maybe I'm weird and/or wrong but I saw in that comic an attempt from Jones to emulate comforting behavior, maybe even motherly, but not romantic. You're not weird, imaginaryfriend; I saw it exactly the same way. I get the romantic speculation over Jones and Eglamore ( Annie speculated as such immediately after seeing them together, after all), but for me the revelation that she had been his companion ever since he was 9 years old kinda threw that whole idea out the window for me, so now I see her as much more of a mother/older friend for Eglamore.
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 25, 2017 1:55:42 GMT
However, it does seem like the court is approaching omniscience, because this page indicates to me, if they in fact predicted the event that did in fact occur, that the Court is able to predict fine-grained events that depend on a tremendous number of variables well into the future. It begs the question: does GC exist in a deterministic, and perhaps fatalistic, universe? Or perhaps their probability calculus is just really, really good? And: does this mean they have knowledge of the finite state of the Earth at occasional points in time??? Creeeepy. Their GPS system is SO PRECISE that it maps ALL OF TIME AND SPACE.
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 24, 2017 6:02:40 GMT
Not found while rereading this comic but rereading something else, with minuscule bearing on a previous chapter and discussion of the comic: I knew about fowling arrows, I knew about arrows with crescent-shaped points for cutting rope, but didn't know about Commodus' ostrich-decapitating arrow. That would be heavier than the rope-cutter and probably more like what Diego made to do in Mr. Green.
From now on, I will never be able to think of the Device as anything other than, "Diego's ostrich-decapitating arrow". Thanks, imaginaryfriend.
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 24, 2017 5:29:54 GMT
My biggest piece of evidence: if this is all that happened, Anja's words on page 1861 make no sense. Tony and Surma simply falling in love is certainly not "much, much worse" than Tony brainwashing Surma into marriage. There is more to be revealed, and I think we would be doing Tom a disservice as a writer by taking this chapter at face value. I think it is that simple. Never underestimate love. Love is intractable. It can't be "fixed" and, by it's nature, tends to be that it shoudln't. Annie was accusing Surma of brainwashing. Or possession. Or manipulation. These things can be detected, and fought, and fixed - they imply a malefactor, which can be rooted out, and combatted. Surma and Tony's relationship clearly caused a good amount of trouble. James clearly never entirely forgave either of them for it - moreso Tony than Surma but also still Surma. Surma and Tony both left the Court - a Court where they had really important roles and duties - to go have Annie. Tony went from someone willingly a pawn of the Court's projects to someone deeply embittered by them. Anja's face gets covered in lines and wrinkles just recalling it all. Generally speaking from what we know about the Court, deep drama is a recipe for big, big trouble, when it's between people enmeshed in courtly affairs, or people with great supernatural power and influence. Far more trouble than some spats or harsh words or broken hearts. It seems to have been a bit of a theme in the comic a large, in fact. Remember Reynardine. Remember Diego. Remember Jeanne. Now look to Eglamore. There's pain there. Pain and hurt and consequences. All of these could have been avoided if the problem had been so simple as manipulation, or brainwashing, or spellery. But no. Tony and Surma had to fall in love. They had to fall in fucking love. Never underestimate love. YES. ALL OF THIS. Well said, machiavelli33.
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 24, 2017 5:23:49 GMT
Sure, and JimmyJims was spending lots of time with Jones before he started training. Once the kids were of dating age whatever Jones' attitude toward James dating in general, and later with Surma in particular, would probably rub Surma the wrong way. Jones would be protective but I doubt Jones would act like a mom and if she did it would be creepy. If Jones was in favor of James dating that would probably be weird, if she was against it then she would be prudish/judgmental/whatever. Jones has lots of experience so she's impossible to shake up or put one over on. Hmmm...you know, considering Jones' millennia of experience with human relationships, I wonder if she immediately KNEW that Surma and James' relationship wouldn't work out. She might have just decided it would be best to let it run its course...of course, on the other hand, she's proven herself entirely willing to intervene in other people's love lives. Like you said, it probably wouldn't thrill Surma in either case.
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 6, 2017 5:50:39 GMT
Because neither is an interesting character. Surma is just a dollar-bin clone of Annie who is lacking in any meaningful character traits and has no apparent goals or ambitions or desires, because I guess the author thought well, what's the point of that when everyone knows she dies, except there's no poignancy or tragedy to her character because her death doesn't seem to matter in the context of the story anyway. Tony is a dude we know primarily as an abusive father which pre-disposes us not to care about him, which is complimented by him having the personality of a lobster. His one quasi-redeeming little side-arc was about how much he loved Surma and wanted to bring her back from the dead, but since she has no personality and her death isn't being treated as a real tragedy anyway this angle loses any force retroactively. So we have characters that are either uninteresting or uninteresting AND unlikable trapped by contrivance in a pretty and exotic locale where they have nothing to do but romp this tropical paradise together being young and attractive and this is sort of hand-waived as being enough to explain them falling in "love." It seems so weird because normally GKC is a good comic and this slow, tedious, painful arc is basically the fucking romantic plotline from Attack of the Clones, probably the storytelling nadir of the already embarrassingly terrible SW prequels. I...huh. You know, I've had so many arguments on this forum about whether Tony or Surma was a good PERSON that it never occurred to me, at all, in any of my wildest dreams, that one day I'd have to defend them as CHARACTERS (interesting ones, that is). Well, then. Here goes nothing. Okay so, first of all, I should point out that Tony is, by far, the most controversial character in the history of this comic. The arguments he's started among fans are countless. How exactly does that fit in with him being a totally bland and non-interesting character? Also, I find it mildly disturbing if your first reaction, upon seeing that someone is an abusive parent, is not to care. Most people would actually care MORE about what they do, not less, precisely because we think they are a horrible and dangerous piece of shit. And, as I was just posting about yesterday, Tony actually has one of the most complex personalities in the entire comic. I mean, even before his big confession to Donny over drinks, it was precisely his lack of expression or outward emotional signs that made him so strange and interesting, because we all knew that he HAD to have some kind of emotions and motivations, and boy did he ever. The guy has clearly shown himself capable of switching from a totally wooden and unreadable statue (I won't say robot because there are actual robot character here w/ very expressible emotions), a weeping, self-pitying wreck of a man, and a relaxed, active, hilarious dude. And none of this interests you AT ALL?! Sir, you must lead an extremely strange life to have these kind of standards. And...good god. I really want to just let Antimony hear your opinion of Surma, and then let her do my arguing for me, via her fire powers. I mean, seriously. Just imagine yourself, walking up to Annie and telling her with a straight face that the death of her mother had no impact at all on the story of her life. I direct you to this memory, this memory, and especially this little, insignificant story of her death from Annie's POV. Sir, if you don't think there was any poignancy or tragedy to the death of Annie's mother, I declare with confidence that you have no soul. I'm not quite sure why you care so much about her "goals, ambitions, and desires". I mean, what do you want from the woman? A world-saving quest for the One Ring? She's the Court Medium, constantly dealing with delicate matters of diplomacy between her enigmatic, industrial home and it's super-science and an enchanted forest ruled by a literal god, both of whom have utterly despised each other for centuries. Her love life is complex and full of both mundane strife and a magical catastrophe which ended in 2 dead friends. Considering we've only ever seen the woman in a few flashbacks, the complexity of story, emotions, and ever-changing motivations is nothing short of incredible. And again, you don't think that she's INTERESTING?! I don't really have time to talk about the similarities between Annie and her mother (it's pretty late for me, and I have homework), but I will at least mention that the readers' discovery of similar traits between them can actually be pretty interesting, though not as much as the enormous life she lived before her inevitable death. Finally, I'll just mention that they actually have a lot to do on this trip. True, there's several hours each day when they do nothing but stare at a tree, but after that they're STUDYING INSECTS! I'm sure Tony can't possibly think of anything more fascinating, although Surma does seem less than enthusiastic about it. Can't imagine why.
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 5, 2017 1:17:41 GMT
Why is Tony so different in specific situations? He struggled so much to comfort Anja and years later they still can't seem to touch, yet he touched Surma immediately and now (after a relatively short time) they're hugging and laughing together. I'm sure he's been with Annie alone several times before Surma's death, and he must have been alone with Surma, Anja and Donald after this trip, in a comfortable situation for him. Why didn't he open to Anja? Anxiety can lead to extreme behaviors but Tony's is pretty strange to me: Kat must have questioned him before they became BFF, so he was capable to answer and reassure in a really stressful situation ("my best friend's daughter and daughter's best friend thinks I'm the devil"). in before Tony copies people's emotions and behavior as a way to cope and he can't copy a bunch of people or kids and that's why he's energetic and funny like Surma is in this chapter and a weird robot in others Another possibility: Tom isn't writing Tony very consistently. One of the bizarre ironies of this sort of SF comic is that in a cast of robots, fairies, gods, magicians, and a legendary French wolf in a body of living wood which he can control while also being enslaved and psychically manipulated by a Native American trickster god, the character whom readers find to be the weirdest is a regular human doctor with rather complicated feelings. It's something very unusual in SF stories - hell, it's pretty unusual even outside of the SF genre - a character who we could believe in the real world, and yet is very complicated and hard to grasp. We're used to archetypes that we can identify from a list of stories we've encountered before, but...Tony's really friggin' hard to understand. In his own way, he's almost as inscrutable in his motivations as Jones, and yet they're clearly coming from real human emotions. I've pretty much given up on trying to understand what makes Tony tick at this point (but I'm pretty sure Tom already knows, so don't worry about that KMar).
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 26, 2017 0:39:58 GMT
Tony WTF. He's just...casually holding burning fire in his hands. His hands are just on fire and he doesn't give a single darn. All the evidence we've been given so far has told us that Tony does NOT care about his hands whatsoever, son. recall that fire elementals can make their fire non-burny, as when Annie set the dryad's favorite woods not-on-fire. (Or maybe you were just joking on Tony's lack of regard for his appendages.... ) Fire elementals can indeed choose what they do or do not burn, but Tony didn't know that when he held up the leaf. Honestly, even if he had known, I'd be pretty damn impressed that he didn't even FLINCH. I actually interpret this as some really extreme self-control on his part.
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 19, 2017 6:23:40 GMT
AVAUNT!!! AVAUNT!! BEGONE, THOU MONSTROUS DEMON OF THE LOWER HELLS OF BOREDOM!! YOUR CRUELLY LOGICAL POINTS OF VIEW HAVE NO PLACE IN THIS THREAD!!! (I'm mostly kidding - you actually have some pretty cool theories - but please, remember this is just Wild Speculation! Boffans may indeed just be Boffans, but that's really not the point of this thread!)
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 17, 2017 6:05:39 GMT
Was it ever firmly established that the "psychopomps" who messed with Tony's head actually were psychopomps? I've always suspected they were fakes, although the only reason for thinking so is that in comparison to the 'pomps we've seen with Annie they were rather out-of-character. agreed. I don't think its clear that the creatures Tony met on his pomp-quest really were psychopomps. The seemed (to me at least) to be more like some sort of malicious demonic sorts. They don't match any known pomps, and were engaging in rather un-pomp-ish behavior with Tony. Pomps are all about taking souls into the ether (not bringing them back out), "keeping the world turning", and very rule driven. The beings Tony met are more malicious tricksters....chaotic evil vs. lawful neutral (real pomps), maybe. Ooh, that's an interesting idea! Come to think of it, he wasn't exactly in the sanest state of mind at the time. He may not have had been able to judge their psychopomp-ness very well. And plus, we've seen pretty clearly that the true psychopomps are trying to specifically groom Antimony for whatever their plans are; why would they want to trick Tony into killing her? Of course, this still somewhat leaves the question of why anyone ELSE would want to trick Tony into killing her (and no, I don't think I'm buying that they just did it because they're jerks).
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 15, 2017 17:37:39 GMT
I only just realized - when Tony got his " instructions from the Court", I had assumed they were some sort of written instructions that told him where to go and what to do. But all he says upon reading them is, "yep, a set of coordinates and a time frame". Their geo-location systems are so advanced, they can literally give him nothing but coordinates and then he'll know to he has to watch that spot on the tree. Gotta admire that efficiency. Also, this defenitely explains why they're so good at tracking their students.
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 13, 2017 23:13:05 GMT
This makes me wonder, what if Tony and Jimmy Jims had a chance to also bond? Clearly the only thing necessary is for him to be alone with someone else (Donny in the dorms, Surma now in the work trip), and Tony doesnt seem so far like he wouldnt be able to handle Eglamores physical activity regime due to his work (ok he doesnt fight ether powered beings, but still hes doing reasonably well in the jungle and managed to do a wilderness world trip on his own to see Surma again). Chances are that over the years they couldve easily done some outdoors activity together. Hell, even solve the residential mystery after being the only ones left. My point is that its weird that considering they seem kind of similar with the new evidence its weird they hadnt had that much time to be just by themselves (And yes this also applies to Tony/Brinnie being a thing if the group hadnt been together as the group the whole time) My impression was that Surma was indifferent towards Tony before, but Eglamore straight up didn't like him, and thus avoided getting stranded alone with Tony somewhere. Plus, (and feel free to shoot me down here) James just strikes me as the kind of person who doesn't easily change his mind about people he dislikes; even if he did get into a situation alone with Tony, I'm betting he could still find plenty of things to argue about.
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 12, 2017 18:20:16 GMT
(Tune in next week to see Coyote sing "You'll Be Back.") "'So how'd you do it? How'd you graduate so fast?' 'It was my parents dying wish before they passed.' 'You're an orphan, of course, I'm an orphan too God, I wish there were a war Then we could prove we're more than anyone bargained for'"
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 8, 2017 20:06:27 GMT
Huh. I thought Surma was referring to scientific/mechanical/robotics skills, since they were talking about the old robots on this page. It's a really damn awesome parallel, though. Wish I had noticed it!
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