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Post by arf on Oct 23, 2017 7:05:51 GMT
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Post by freeformline on Oct 23, 2017 7:27:07 GMT
I don't know about a lack of entomology. After all, this stuff really bugs Eglamore.
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Post by philman on Oct 23, 2017 7:55:17 GMT
Well, I think it's kind of sweet now anyway. The spark of chemistry can appear in the most unlikely of places when people spend a lot of time together.
If it wasn't for the fact that we know the future of these characters, and that Eglamore's being away all the time was necessary and that Tony turns into a bit of a dick, this would have romantic-comedy love triangle written all over it.
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Post by faiiry on Oct 23, 2017 10:23:24 GMT
The canoodling has begun. You know something though, this has to be true love - I can't imagine either of them smells their best during this jungle expedition, and yet they're starting the nookie anyhow.
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Post by Bontage on Oct 23, 2017 10:25:37 GMT
It's hard to make out, but in that third panel(ish) you can spot the tiny speck which is Eglamore approaching at high speed to kick Tony's ass.
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Post by faiiry on Oct 23, 2017 11:38:43 GMT
It's hard to make out, but in that third panel(ish) you can spot the tiny speck which is Eglamore approaching at high speed to kick Tony's ass. Somehow I feel like Eggers is more the "sulk for 20 years" type. He only gets into ass kicking mode when someone is about to call his girlfriend an unsavory word. |
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Post by jda on Oct 23, 2017 12:27:22 GMT
What we don't know is that the Court's secret orders second part were "From day 15 (+- 3), expect and follow romantic activities proposed by your partner. Report on them at the end of the day, as usual".
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Post by ST13R on Oct 23, 2017 13:00:10 GMT
What we don't know is that the Court's secret orders second part were "From day 15 (+- 3), expect and follow romantic activities proposed your partner. Report on them at the end of yhe day, as usual". Oh yes totally. The court first wanted to go for more diversity and opted for a cute gay couple with Tony and Donny, but Tony and Surma as a human/firespirit combo was their second choice  |
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 23, 2017 13:12:15 GMT
Let's hope not. *shudders* Let's hope not... |
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Post by yinglung on Oct 23, 2017 14:19:57 GMT
What we don't know is that the Court's secret orders second part were "From day 15 (+- 3), expect and follow romantic activities proposed your partner. Report on them at the end of yhe day, as usual". Oh yes totally. The court first wanted to go for more diversity and opted for a cute gay couple with Tony and Donny, but Tony and Surma as a human/firespirit combo was their second choice Now I'm imagining that there are secret councils of robots making missions for court personnel for matchmaking purposes. Unfortunately, the robots only have vague ideas about romance and orientation, so they confuse friendship with romantic interest a lot. After this mission success, they all have the happiest face! |
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Post by faiiry on Oct 23, 2017 17:22:57 GMT
I don't think this chapter is as straightforward as "they hung out for a while and fell in love." There have been too many little hints and moments. What's the significance of the bugs? The slugs? The "eyes only" envelope? This whole mission, from the perspective of the Court? I don't believe all that is just a backdrop to this love story. I think there is something deeper going on here.
My biggest piece of evidence: if this is all that happened, Anja's words on page 1861 make no sense. Tony and Surma simply falling in love is certainly not "much, much worse" than Tony brainwashing Surma into marriage. There is more to be revealed, and I think we would be doing Tom a disservice as a writer by taking this chapter at face value.
Also I'm going to make a wild prediction: Tony and Surma return to the Court only to hear Anja say, "No one died, I guess it was just a mistake!" I bet the Court somehow engineered this relationship from day one, starting with their insurance that Surma would go on the trip instead of Donny.
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Post by nero on Oct 23, 2017 17:58:03 GMT
I'm glad we got to see how they got together even though it does feel slightly off because of some Court influence. It seems like this chapter will go on to include Eglamore's reaction. It feels like a long chapter for me. I wonder if things settled down with their friends before they left the Court. I want to see Annie and Kat again, and what Renard's gone through during this time. I thinking Kat just let him go off to the forest to reclaim his original body.
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Post by machiavelli33 on Oct 23, 2017 19:15:23 GMT
My biggest piece of evidence: if this is all that happened, Anja's words on page 1861 make no sense. Tony and Surma simply falling in love is certainly not "much, much worse" than Tony brainwashing Surma into marriage. There is more to be revealed, and I think we would be doing Tom a disservice as a writer by taking this chapter at face value. I think it is that simple. Never underestimate love. Love is intractable. It can't be "fixed" and, by it's nature, tends to be that it shoudln't. Annie was accusing Surma of brainwashing. Or possession. Or manipulation. These things can be detected, and fought, and fixed - they imply a malefactor, which can be rooted out, and combatted. Surma and Tony's relationship clearly caused a good amount of trouble. James clearly never entirely forgave either of them for it - moreso Tony than Surma but also still Surma. Surma and Tony both left the Court - a Court where they had really important roles and duties - to go have Annie. Tony went from someone willingly a pawn of the Court's projects to someone deeply embittered by them. Anja's face gets covered in lines and wrinkles just recalling it all. Generally speaking from what we know about the Court, deep drama is a recipe for big, big trouble, when it's between people enmeshed in courtly affairs, or people with great supernatural power and influence. Far more trouble than some spats or harsh words or broken hearts. It seems to have been a bit of a theme in the comic a large, in fact. Remember Reynardine. Remember Diego. Remember Jeanne. Now look to Eglamore. There's pain there. Pain and hurt and consequences. All of these could have been avoided if the problem had been so simple as manipulation, or brainwashing, or spellery. But no. Tony and Surma had to fall in love. They had to fall in fucking love. Never underestimate love. |
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Post by todd on Oct 24, 2017 0:15:14 GMT
I want to see Annie and Kat again, As do I. Probably my biggest concern about this chapter is that it delayed the explanation for how Kat changed her mind about Antony (all the more worth exploring given how intense her dislike for him was - and we've seen that Kat has some very strong likes and dislikes - the kind that don't seem easily overthrown); in fact, I feared, after seeing how quickly it went from Annie's indignant response to Kat's thawing towards her father, to her accusation that Antony must have brainwashed Surma into marrying him, and from there to the long flashback chapter, that Tom was using this change of Kat's as just a plot device to set up the story of how Surma and Antony became a couple. I hope that this fear is unfounded, and that we'll get a proper look, once the flashback is over, of how Kat warmed to Antony. |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 24, 2017 1:21:20 GMT
I don't think this chapter is as straightforward as "they hung out for a while and fell in love." There have been too many little hints and moments. What's the significance of the bugs? The slugs? The "eyes only" envelope? This whole mission, from the perspective of the Court? I don't believe all that is just a backdrop to this love story. I think there is something deeper going on here. My biggest piece of evidence: if this is all that happened, Anja's words on page 1861 make no sense. Tony and Surma simply falling in love is certainly not "much, much worse" than Tony brainwashing Surma into marriage. There is more to be revealed, and I think we would be doing Tom a disservice as a writer by taking this chapter at face value. Also I'm going to make a wild prediction: Tony and Surma return to the Court only to hear Anja say, "No one died, I guess it was just a mistake!" I bet the Court somehow engineered this relationship from day one, starting with their insurance that Surma would go on the trip instead of Donny. Maybe that which is "much worse" is yet to come, and it is that what Tony later called "this business with James", after which he "was happy to leave". That must have been some major fallout. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 24, 2017 5:29:54 GMT
My biggest piece of evidence: if this is all that happened, Anja's words on page 1861 make no sense. Tony and Surma simply falling in love is certainly not "much, much worse" than Tony brainwashing Surma into marriage. There is more to be revealed, and I think we would be doing Tom a disservice as a writer by taking this chapter at face value. I think it is that simple. Never underestimate love. Love is intractable. It can't be "fixed" and, by it's nature, tends to be that it shoudln't. Annie was accusing Surma of brainwashing. Or possession. Or manipulation. These things can be detected, and fought, and fixed - they imply a malefactor, which can be rooted out, and combatted. Surma and Tony's relationship clearly caused a good amount of trouble. James clearly never entirely forgave either of them for it - moreso Tony than Surma but also still Surma. Surma and Tony both left the Court - a Court where they had really important roles and duties - to go have Annie. Tony went from someone willingly a pawn of the Court's projects to someone deeply embittered by them. Anja's face gets covered in lines and wrinkles just recalling it all. Generally speaking from what we know about the Court, deep drama is a recipe for big, big trouble, when it's between people enmeshed in courtly affairs, or people with great supernatural power and influence. Far more trouble than some spats or harsh words or broken hearts. It seems to have been a bit of a theme in the comic a large, in fact. Remember Reynardine. Remember Diego. Remember Jeanne. Now look to Eglamore. There's pain there. Pain and hurt and consequences. All of these could have been avoided if the problem had been so simple as manipulation, or brainwashing, or spellery. But no. Tony and Surma had to fall in love. They had to fall in fucking love. Never underestimate love. YES. ALL OF THIS. Well said, machiavelli33. |
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Post by chrisjenl on Oct 24, 2017 7:41:43 GMT
O it will be a big problem. If they are back tony will chance 99%. He can't work normaal when ere are more than 2 and they have to work hard to let it love work.
And Eglamore really don't understand what going on.
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Post by ghostiet on Oct 24, 2017 10:55:20 GMT
I really, really hope there are no extracurricular shenanigans, like the Court engineering this relationship or whatever. I find it increasingly difficult to sympathize with Surma - I definitely don't like her in any of her appearances so far - and that's 100% fine.
I think the plot development of "Antimony's parents were both kind of mildly shitty, inconsiderate human beings and that's that" is much more interesting, organic and human than the plot twist of "the Court messes in everybody's shit, forever". There's way too many mythologized parental figures in fiction already; it reminds me of the "reveal" that James Potter, instead of being some kind of saint, was the same asshole teenager as just about anyone alive at some point.
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Post by philman on Oct 24, 2017 13:01:52 GMT
I can't really see this as the Court trying to influence Surma and Tony getting together. What would they have to gain? Surma is already in a relationship with the Court's protector, and is already deeply meshed within the court's framework hence her involvement in capturing of Renard. Tony is obviously also already heavily involved in the court's work as we can see from his secret mission papers. the court has no reason to try and tie either of them further to the court, or to each other. and the risks inherent in messing about with the relationship of both their court medium and court protector are obvious. They could have easily lost both of them.
And anyway, if this WAS the court's plan, it seriously backfired.
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Post by yinglung on Oct 24, 2017 13:51:09 GMT
I'm not seeing how this could be a court conspiracy. Did they kill Anja's relative so that maybe Surma would volunteer to go on the expedition?
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Post by todd on Oct 24, 2017 14:00:02 GMT
Count me as another who doesn't see this as a Court conspiracy. I don't think it's *that* powerful.
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Post by fia on Oct 24, 2017 18:27:29 GMT
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Post by warrl on Oct 24, 2017 22:36:38 GMT
I seriously doubt that the Court made an effort to arrange for this to be a Tony-Surma trip rather than a Tony-Donald trip.
However, I would not be surprised if they were quite pleased with the change when it happened on its own. Or even if not, if they immediately started looking at how they could take advantage of it.
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