madragoran
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"If he trully does hurt you, I will rend the flesh from his bones on your word"
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Post by madragoran on Sept 22, 2017 7:34:43 GMT
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Post by soulofthereaver on Sept 22, 2017 8:14:15 GMT
Wait... she's teaching him pyromancy? So Tony can potentially bring the heat like Annie can? That may have some interesting consequences down the line...
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 22, 2017 8:21:58 GMT
But...the bugs are beautiful!
I don't think she is teaching him. I think she is burning more leaves in his hands. Like "Can you burn two of them simultaneously?"
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Post by rafk on Sept 22, 2017 8:58:01 GMT
I haven't been posting for a bit. Is the consensus that Anthony's real mission here is to explore Surma's abilities?
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madragoran
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Post by madragoran on Sept 22, 2017 10:10:42 GMT
I haven't been posting for a bit. Is the consensus that Anthony's real mission here is to explore Surma's abilities? Also in an even more sinister thought in my mind, to push Surma and Anthony together. If she had stayed with Jim there wouldn't have been an Antimony... |
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Post by aline on Sept 22, 2017 10:42:23 GMT
But it was Surma's idea to go, and everybody went "are you crazy, why". How could anybody possibly have planned that?
Nobody's pushing them together. They're just spending a lot of time together doing boring sciency stuff, and they're occasionally passing the time with weird fire tricks.
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Post by philman on Sept 22, 2017 10:45:05 GMT
Wait... she's teaching him pyromancy? So Tony can potentially bring the heat like Annie can? That may have some interesting consequences down the line... No, Tony is just holding up things for Surma to burn again. |
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 22, 2017 10:52:51 GMT
Really? Didn't Surma just... let Tony play with her fire? |
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Post by rafk on Sept 22, 2017 11:15:43 GMT
But it was Surma's idea to go, and everybody went "are you crazy, why". How could anybody possibly have planned that? Nobody's pushing them together. They're just spending a lot of time together doing boring sciency stuff, and they're occasionally passing the time with weird fire tricks. The Court may have only given him this bonus mission after Surma chose to go. Or they may have predicted her better than her friends did (or even manipulated her into going, somehow). |
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Post by wombat on Sept 22, 2017 11:44:33 GMT
But it was Surma's idea to go, and everybody went "are you crazy, why". How could anybody possibly have planned that? Nobody's pushing them together. They're just spending a lot of time together doing boring sciency stuff, and they're occasionally passing the time with weird fire tricks. The Court may have only given him this bonus mission after Surma chose to go. Or they may have predicted her better than her friends did (or even manipulated her into going, somehow). I feel like the logical extension of this is "the Court killed Anja's father." Or maybe they were helping keep him alive for a while, then stopped so he would die at the right time. Which, either way, is not great. Not that I think that's what happened, and I certainly don't think Anja knows if that is what happened. Basically just lots of wild spec, but I'm curious to see what the Court is up to. |
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Post by faiiry on Sept 22, 2017 12:04:40 GMT
Tony WTF. He's just...casually holding burning fire in his hands. His hands are just on fire and he doesn't give a single darn. All the evidence we've been given so far has told us that Tony does NOT care about his hands whatsoever, son.
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Post by todd on Sept 22, 2017 12:40:26 GMT
I still think that the Court being behind this accredits it more control than even the most skillful secret organization; if Surma had not volunteered to go, the whole plan would have fallen apart.
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Post by saardvark on Sept 22, 2017 13:09:08 GMT
Tony WTF. He's just...casually holding burning fire in his hands. His hands are just on fire and he doesn't give a single darn. All the evidence we've been given so far has told us that Tony does NOT care about his hands whatsoever, son. recall that fire elementals can make their fire non-burny, as when Annie set the dryad's favorite woods not-on-fire. (Or maybe you were just joking on Tony's lack of regard for his appendages....  ) |
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 22, 2017 13:23:20 GMT
Tony WTF. He's just...casually holding burning fire in his hands. His hands are just on fire and he doesn't give a single darn. All the evidence we've been given so far has told us that Tony does NOT care about his hands whatsoever, son. Toward the end of this chapter, Surma will figure it out, when Tony shows her his side hobby, Chainsaw Juggling. When she pushes, we'll dramatically learn a gang of rogue hands killed his parents. Tony: "I'd shake my fist at them but..." *looks at hand with anger/disgust*He could have side orders to study her abilities, but I wonder if feelings have already developed in Tony, and his attempts at understanding her fire abilities are his way of getting closer. |
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Post by csj on Sept 22, 2017 13:40:06 GMT
I haven't been posting for a bit. Is the consensus that Anthony's real mission here is to explore Surma's abilities? Also in an even more sinister thought in my mind, to push Surma and Anthony together. If she had stayed with Jim there wouldn't have been an Antimony... god!Kat sent a terminator back in time to kill her own grandfather to ensure annie's creation It's the only possible explanation. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 14:09:26 GMT
Which butterfly is that?
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 22, 2017 15:07:17 GMT
Tony WTF. He's just...casually holding burning fire in his hands. His hands are just on fire and he doesn't give a single darn. All the evidence we've been given so far has told us that Tony does NOT care about his hands whatsoever, son. recall that fire elementals can make their fire non-burny, as when Annie set the dryad's favorite woods not-on-fire. (Or maybe you were just joking on Tony's lack of regard for his appendages.... ) Surma could make her fire very burny, but Tony trusts her enough now to not burn him. |
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Post by l33tninja on Sept 22, 2017 15:50:18 GMT
I still think that the Court being behind this accredits it more control than even the most skillful secret organization; if Surma had not volunteered to go, the whole plan would have fallen apart. This might be Plan B (or C or D). The Court seems pretty patient. They might have just been waiting for the right opportunity to occur. |
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Post by jda on Sept 22, 2017 16:04:35 GMT
That particular spot is where Ketrak is going to appear once Surma runs out of patience with the bugs...
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Post by fish on Sept 22, 2017 16:05:34 GMT
I haven't been posting for a bit. Is the consensus that Anthony's real mission here is to explore Surma's abilities? I wouldn't say consensus. It's more like the people on board with that theory have more to contribute to the discussion. There are not many iterations of "It was a complete coincidence, the Court probably doesn't give a damn as long as there are two pairs of eyes on the Omega experiment, and Tony is just a curious person who likes to analyse everything. Just like Kat, which is probably how they managed to get along at all." |
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Post by warrl on Sept 22, 2017 16:20:09 GMT
This is the first sign I can recall that Surma at this age - which I'm thinking she's about 19 - is as comfortable with her etheric powers as Annie is at age 15.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 22, 2017 16:26:49 GMT
As a legacy institution that has its own little population the Court does have a vested interest in keeping talent in the family, so to speak. People who meet and marry people in the Court are more likely to want to stay in the Court and more content to work jobs in the Court, therefore they are more likely to breed the next generation of subjects for the Court with a high degree of loyalty. However, a policy of matching specific people would create the opposite effect (high chance of backfiring if they push particular people to get with particular people). That would require a lot of people to put into practice so there's a very good chance of the policy becoming public knowledge. Anthony having to travel with a partner is a good safety precaution in and of itself, Anja's bereavement and Surma's whim to substitute on what she thought was something else look like coincidence to me, though Surma taking an interest in another area of academics would probably receive support from the teaching branch.
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Post by fish on Sept 22, 2017 17:04:47 GMT
This is the first sign I can recall that Surma at this age - which I'm thinking she's about 19 - is as comfortable with her etheric powers as Annie is at age 15. That's an interesting thought! We know she was comfortable enough with her levitation in the Forest, but she seems to be older at that point. We also know she was the one to berate Anja for trying to hide their "predetermination towards etheric sciences", but it's Anja who uses her ability later in that chapter, not Surma. This may be just a narrative coincidence but it's also possible that Surma doesn't feel very connected to that part of her identity (I think somebody else here already had this idea). Annie has been through a lot, often with some kind of etherical being at her side as a friend/guide/mentor. In the begining she felt isolated from her peers at school and was more drawn towards the forest. Surma, on the other hand, might feel more comfortable with her peers and never had the need for much self discovery. Maybe she even secretly resents the fiery part of herself. She might be all "that's just how it is" about her inevitable fate, while deep down she really doesn't want it to be that way. Maybe she was the one to beg Anthony to try and fix her and he was foolish enough to promise her the moon and the sun, like the hopeless romantic that he is. Heck, he's already taking notes, it's the first step. Nooooo! Stop while you can, you fools! Don't fall in loooove! (Edit: This is too much, I have managed to impose terrible feels on myself by reminding myself that this flashback is, at it's core, a Tragic Backstory™) |
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Post by fia on Sept 22, 2017 17:23:48 GMT
This is the first sign I can recall that Surma at this age - which I'm thinking she's about 19 - is as comfortable with her etheric powers as Annie is at age 15. That's an interesting thought! We know she was comfortable enough with her levitation in the Forest, but she seems to be older at that point. We also know she was the one to berate Anja for trying to hide their "predetermination towards etheric sciences", but it's Anja who uses her ability later in that chapter, not Surma. This may be just a narrative coincidence but it's also possible that Surma doesn't feel very connected to that part of her identity (I think somebody else here already had this idea). Annie has been through a lot, often with some kind of etherical being at her side as a friend/guide/mentor. In the begining she felt isolated from her peers at school and was more drawn towards the forest. Surma, on the other hand, might feel more comfortable with her peers and never had the need for much self discovery. Maybe she even secretly resents the fiery part of herself. She might be all "that's just how it is" about her inevitable fate, while deep down she really doesn't want it to be that way. Maybe she was the one to beg Anthony to try and fix her and he was foolish enough to promise her the moon and the sun, like the hopeless romantic that he is. Heck, he's already taking notes, it's the first step. Nooooo! Stop while you can, you fools! Don't fall in loooove! (Edit: This is too much, I have managed to impose terrible feels on myself by reminding myself that this flashback is, at it's core, a Tragic Backstory™) That's interesting. It's possible though that Anja and Surma can commiserate pretty well with each other, so Surma didn't feel the need to run off to Wolf Dad / Rey / Coyote / the Forest for consolation; nor did she have Rey as a bud while she was growing up who she would often talk to in the ether and practice with. On the other hand, while Kat loves Annie, Kat is herself not etherically inclined, so she doesn't provide the same role as Anja might have for Surma, nor might Annie feel as positively toward the Court as maybe Surma does. Annie seems to reject almost anything suspiciously Court-ish, with the exception of Jones, Parley and Smits, and her school friends. She's suspicious of Eggers, people's parents, her own dad, her teachers (as far as we've seen), etc. Surma may not have those problems with authority? I mean, Surma IS the COURT medium. Annie is the FOREST medium. Probably a big deal in influencing trust! Not to mention the whole Jeanne debacle. |
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Post by fish on Sept 22, 2017 17:53:36 GMT
I mean, Surma IS the COURT medium. Annie is the FOREST medium. Exactly! Well put. Another thought:  Look at this girl/woman putting up her saintly facade which is so much un like her. Denying herself the anger, fear and frustration she could rightly feel in her situation, just to calm and comfort the people around her, because she just can't deal with it all. This is now my headcanon until proven or disproven. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 22, 2017 20:04:22 GMT
Look at this girl/woman putting up her saintly facade which is so much un like her. Denying herself the anger, fear and frustration she could rightly feel in her situation, just to calm and comfort the people around her, because she just can't deal with it all. Having kids changes people. Or maybe it just forces what was really deep in there to the surface where it can be easily seen. |
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Post by fish on Sept 22, 2017 20:32:23 GMT
Look at this girl/woman putting up her saintly facade which is so much un like her. Denying herself the anger, fear and frustration she could rightly feel in her situation, just to calm and comfort the people around her, because she just can't deal with it all. Having kids changes people. But she's had this "I'm totally fine with this situation" attitude even at this young age. Like she's made peace with it long ago, which could of course be true, but could also be a facade. We'll see, I guess. |
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Post by keef on Sept 22, 2017 21:35:17 GMT
It looks like a monarch butterfly, maybe some kind of subspecies. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Sept 23, 2017 7:26:01 GMT
This is the first sign I can recall that Surma at this age - which I'm thinking she's about 19 - is as comfortable with her etheric powers as Annie is at age 15. They've gotta still be in school, right? I'll give you 18 at most, but I think they're younger. |
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Post by KMar on Sept 23, 2017 13:56:02 GMT
This is the first sign I can recall that Surma at this age - which I'm thinking she's about 19 - is as comfortable with her etheric powers as Annie is at age 15. They've gotta still be in school, right? I'll give you 18 at most, but I think they're younger. Not necessarily. My impression is that almost all of the students of the Court continue working there (or at least for it) after they graduate. Tony and Surma leaving the Court when Surma got pregnant was exceptional. |
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