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Post by pyradonis on Nov 6, 2017 22:15:37 GMT
I just got smashed in the face with the conviction that this is racking up to lead to a next chapter in which Annie falls for someone. But whom?  If I had to pick, I'd say Jack - every time they interact or she talks about him, romance is in the air. But it could be some new character? (I also find it funny that on that page, where a shadow man, a robot, a ghost and Renard appear, the only guy explicitly crossed off is Eggers. While Sullivan's John is not even on the page. Poor guy must not seem very masculine to Annie. (Although, Basil is missing as well. Huh.) |
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Post by faiiry on Nov 6, 2017 22:43:31 GMT
But whom? If I had to pick, I'd say Jack - every time they interact or she talks about him, romance is in the air. But it could be some new character? (I also find it funny that on that page, where a shadow man, a robot, a ghost and Renard appear, the only guy explicitly crossed off is Eggers. While Sullivan's John is not even on the page. Poor guy must not seem very masculine to Annie. (Although, Basil is missing as well. Huh.) Neither John nor Smitty appear, but it's probably because they're both taken. (At the time of Annie in the Forest, Annie wasn't aware that Winsbury was taken as well.) |
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Post by pinegreenjellybean on Nov 7, 2017 0:27:32 GMT
I hesitate to call myself a "shipper", but I actually quite like Annie and Jack's relationship. I didn't see much chemistry between Surma and Tony tbh, but she honestly connected with Jack and saved him from the whitelegs, while he was honest with her and forgave her for her outbursts. He seems understanding and interesting, and I did see chemistry in their interactions with each other, (the sleeve pull, his kind of sad sympathetic look when she asks him for a kiss), so...count me up as a "Jannie"-er? He doesn't seem interested in her right now, but they're young, have a connection, and things can change.
I guess to go along with my previous theory, I have to wonder what a son between them would be like. Lacking a fire spirit, he might not end up looking like a genderbent Annie clone, and he wouldn't have fiery abilities, but he might have inherited something from Jack. Speaking of which, how did Jack get his abilities? Tom confirmed that he might have had some etheric potential before Zimmy, but from what we've seen, etheric abilities seem largely inherited. Given that Jack's dad clearly had some problems with it, I'm assuming he didn't inherit anything from him... So begs the question, did something happen to Jack when he was younger to give him his sensitivities, or did Mr. Hyland get involved with someone who was more than a little bit what he'd been so prejudiced about?
Wild speculation that Mrs. Hyland is a bit etheric because that would be really hilarious/dramatic.
PS: Or, what if Mr. Hyland found out that he had etheric abilities, and, after some angst, reformed his ways and became, as Tom said, "Just a normal guy? |
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 7, 2017 4:23:39 GMT
Speaking of which, how did Jack get his abilities? Tom confirmed that he might have had some etheric potential before Zimmy, but from what we've seen, etheric abilities seem largely inherited. Given that Jack's dad clearly had some problems with it, I'm assuming he didn't inherit anything from him... So begs the question, did something happen to Jack when he was younger to give him his sensitivities, or did Mr. Hyland get involved with someone who was more than a little bit what he'd been so prejudiced about?
Wild speculation that Mrs. Hyland is a bit etheric because that would be really hilarious/dramatic.
PS: Or, what if Mr. Hyland found out that he had etheric abilities, and, after some angst, reformed his ways and became, as Tom said, "Just a normal guy? Wildspec: Jack's mom is actually Brinnie. My evidence for this is that it is technically possible, would solve an interesting mystery, and involves two otherwise unexplored characters who clearly need more development. IT IS THE BEST POSSIBLE EVIDENCE. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 7, 2017 4:30:27 GMT
Oh, there are so many crowd scenes in the earlier chapters and random side characters, as well as children of gods, I'm sure one of them might make a good first romance. speedwellMy money's on a new character actually. Maybe someone from the Forest. Maybe someone new to the Court. All I feel sure of is that it is going to be a human character and it will be someone who is nice to her. That's where she's at right now in her head. Dear God, it's so obvious now: Becky Ground!!! She's been working up the courage to actually talk to Annie for years, and it'll finally happen in just a few chapters. I ABSOLUTELY SHIP THIS NOW. DEFY ME AT YOU PERIL. |
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Post by keef on Nov 7, 2017 12:22:43 GMT
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Post by pinegreenjellybean on Nov 7, 2017 17:43:22 GMT
Thread looks dead. Shall we revive it? |
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Post by warrl on Nov 7, 2017 22:08:37 GMT
(At the time of Annie in the Forest, Annie wasn't aware that Winsbury was taken as well.) I find it hard to imagine that there's anyone in that class who hasn't known - or at least suspected - for the past two years that William and Janet are (secretly, they think) in a relationship. |
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Post by Zox Tomana on Nov 7, 2017 23:17:58 GMT
(At the time of Annie in the Forest, Annie wasn't aware that Winsbury was taken as well.) I find it hard to imagine that there's anyone in that class who hasn't known - or at least suspected - for the past two years that William and Janet are (secretly, they think) in a relationship. Considering Kat, the more romantically aware of our heroic duo, apparently didn't know, and a bunch of other girls in class seemed happy to try and push him to ask out Annie... I think the most reasonable answer is that Winsbury has obfuscation powers. Apparently they've done a few different, very public things that would normally set off ALL THE ALARM BELLS, and yet... Janet is the next Archer, Winsbury has a new position as Chief Obfuscator. |
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Post by faiiry on Nov 8, 2017 3:35:42 GMT
(At the time of Annie in the Forest, Annie wasn't aware that Winsbury was taken as well.) I find it hard to imagine that there's anyone in that class who hasn't known - or at least suspected - for the past two years that William and Janet are (secretly, they think) in a relationship. Did you read chapter 57??? Literally no one knew they were a couple. It was explained in great detail. |
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Post by madjack on Nov 9, 2017 15:11:48 GMT
Hey everyone, long time lurker first time poster, thought I'd sign up and jump aboard the Omega project wildspec train, and throw some darts at the massive pile of them on street behind the pockmarked, abraded ruins of the wall where the dartboard once hung. This poorly expressed rant/compilation of tangents is the results of mulling over the latest chapter and initially inspired by a post by fia a couple of weeks ago about the nature of gods and how the court might be seeking to emulate them, but I think took one leap too far with its conclusion. Given the experiments in chapter 64 are directly connected with the Omega project, and Tony and Surma are there to observe a known location for an unknown event, it's a better than even guess that the court is shooting for the omniscience side of things and the Omega device itself is a space-time viewer. How does this tie in with everything else and what else is there to support this? First up, the nature of the device given the following assumptions gleaned from ch.64: It can see where, but not when. Assisting with finding the "when" may be the major task given to Tony while he was trying to help Surma in the hospital. Surma, in the same room, in the same bed, every day may have been the perfect control to calibrate a device like that against, while a hospital that cares for dying and transient patients may be an excellent way to check accuracy: Which beds are empty on which day?Second, let's say that the above activities would cover checking for events viewed in the past checked against when they actually happen, what about looking back in time? Well that's easy, just ask Jones where she was on x day at x time after looking for her... Which is way too convenient. Here you have an indestructible, ever-enduring being who has perfect recall for six billion years of existence, give or take? What is Jones' role in all this? Was she a fortuitous discovery that allowed the project to even begin, an unaware purpose built calibration tool, or something else entirely? Third, and I think, the strongest indication that the device functions "where but not when," and is probably still incomplete is Tony's behaviour upon unwillingly returning to the court as described in chapter 52. He sits, every evening, in an almost completely unfurnished house, at his desk or in a single armchair looking out the window to the street. Every evening, same place, same time, just like in chapter 64. He explicitly states to Donny in ch.53 that he has " taken measures" so the court can't listen to them, but what else? I think he is deliberately throwing off the device by making his every day the same so it can't be accurately used to spy on him either now or at some point in the future. Why bother if the only reason you came back was because the court made you? If this is true then Tony may be a man with a plan the court may not like... I'm pretty sure the forest would see something like this as a threat, nature of the ether and all that, not to mention being able to go back and look for yourself and definitively see that yes, the coyote was only ever a coyote. |
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Post by todd on Nov 10, 2017 0:19:32 GMT
Alternate "wild speculation" about the Omega Project; its goal is to gain immortality for the Court leadership.
In this scenario, the Court's leaders have noticed how the students (not just Annie, though she's probably at the head of the list) have regularly engaged in rule-breaking and other troublesome activities that have not only endangered their lives, but even created problems for the Court. The trouble is, these stem from qualities that the Court can't discourage in its students, since they're necessary for an organization like the Court and its aspirations: curiosity, rebelliousness, and so on. Meek, obedient, sensibly cautious children aren't likely to grow up to be the kind of people right for running the place.
If the Court's inner circle could live forever, though, that could solve the problem. They wouldn't need to train the next generation to succeed them, and in so doing, ensure the kind of character traits that the Court needs to have, but which, when those who bear them are young, lead to so many headaches for the Court. The Court leaders could be certain to achieve whatever the Court's big plans are in their lifetimes, at last. The dilemma regarding the students would be solved at last.
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Post by pinegreenjellybean on Nov 12, 2017 23:54:48 GMT
Wild Speculation: Sullivan's John dies before his prime.
Look at Margo at the end of Power Station, 21 years after he played her that song. She's daydreaming about him at thirteen, and not just that, she's crying. That's not a normal reaction for your highschool boyfriend if he only broke up with you. He looks sweet and angelic in the daydream, and she's probably thinking that he was gone too soon.
This is foreshadowing that the comic will become darker and some innocents will pay the price.
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Post by madjack on Nov 13, 2017 5:33:38 GMT
Wild Speculation: Sullivan's John dies before his prime. And Annie is a proper psychopomp now and can call him a friend, even if not a close one. That would maybe give her a better "claim" on him than any of the other guides? Oh dear. If something like that does happen, and happens as a direct result of freeing Jeanne? Double oh dear. |
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Post by Per on Nov 13, 2017 13:20:50 GMT
Look at Margo at the end of Power Station, 21 years after he played her that song. She's daydreaming about him at thirteen, and not just that, she's crying. That's not a normal reaction for your highschool boyfriend if he only broke up with you. He looks sweet and angelic in the daydream, and she's probably thinking that he was gone too soon. Did you notice the wedding ring? |
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Post by madjack on Nov 13, 2017 14:38:49 GMT
Doesn't mean John was the one she married.
Edit: Or maybe she did and lost him, too?
The way this was presented (via links in the page comment) means it probably isn't going to be covered in the comic itself and is there to give a glimpse into their lives, so is better left open to interpretation.
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Post by todd on Nov 14, 2017 2:00:12 GMT
"Katurday" is the next step in the robot religion (most of the days of the week are named after gods - such as Saturday after the Roman Saturn - so they might follow suit), presumably to be an extra-sacred day for the robots. Followed by frictions with the humans at the Court when the robots insist on taking Katurday off for their religious observances, and that any work that needs to be done by them is to wait for the next day (either that, or the humans will have to do it themselves, if it can't wait for the following morning).
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Post by fia on Nov 14, 2017 16:38:38 GMT
"Katurday" is the next step in the robot religion (most of the days of the week are named after gods - such as Saturday after the Roman Saturn - so they might follow suit), presumably to be an extra-sacred day for the robots. Followed by frictions with the humans at the Court when the robots insist on taking Katurday off for their religious observances, and that any work that needs to be done by them is to wait for the next day (either that, or the humans will have to do it themselves, if it can't wait for the following morning). I am jumping on this theory bandwagon so fast |
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Post by jda on Nov 15, 2017 19:20:37 GMT
"Katurday" is the next step in the robot religion (most of the days of the week are named after gods - such as Saturday after the Roman Saturn - so they might follow suit), presumably to be an extra-sacred day for the robots. Followed by frictions with the humans at the Court when the robots insist on taking Katurday off for their religious observances, and that any work that needs to be done by them is to wait for the next day (either that, or the humans will have to do it themselves, if it can't wait for the following morning). I am jumping on this theory bandwagon so fast Yessssssssssss, that 'd be awesome. Schism on robot society soon awaits us! |
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Post by madjack on Nov 20, 2017 13:45:03 GMT
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 20, 2017 18:25:00 GMT
She's always just assumed that it's just perfectly normal to make small things appear out of nowhere. It's really confusing for her when people ask her for things like pencils when they could just make them appear themselves, but she's decided it must be a purely social thing, like making tea for guests or something. Eventually someone's going to have to tell her the truth, but that day has not yet come. |
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Post by Per on Nov 20, 2017 18:29:24 GMT
"Kat, could you pass me a diamond-studded gold pencil?"
"Sure, here."
"He he he..."
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Post by jda on Nov 21, 2017 15:23:14 GMT
Oh, Snap!
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 26, 2017 23:30:05 GMT
The first page does in no way imply she made that notebook apeear out of thin air. We don't even see Kat in the panel before. You might as well assume Annie just teleported the notebook and pencil into her hands after the panel. This is comic, not a movie. In comics, sometimes more and sometimes less time passes between panels. |
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Post by Runningflame on Nov 27, 2017 4:26:02 GMT
The first page does in no way imply she made that notebook apeear out of thin air. We don't even see Kat in the panel before. You might as well assume Annie just teleported the notebook and pencil into her hands after the panel. This is comic, not a movie. In comics, sometimes more and sometimes less time passes between panels. Kindly keep your calmly rational explanations out of here, sir! This is no place to be sensible. This Is The Wild-Spec Thread!(On any other thread, I'd completely agree with you, of course.) |
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Post by keef on Nov 28, 2017 23:01:46 GMT
For all we know, the Court could have been running a fire-elemental breeding program More like an Etheric Capability Accumulation program. Remember when Mort stated, trying to explain why the guides showed themselves to her, that the first time he met Annie he noticed how attractive she was? How Coyote invites her to the forest, first time he sets eyes on her?
Remember how beings of, or related to, the etherium all seem to be drawn to her? Well in some cases after trying to kill her of course, but that's just ritual. Remember the humourless grin when Coyote sends Annie on her way after he told her about the "big secret"? So jealous that Ysengrin, and not he, is Annie's best friend in the forest. In his own way, more possessive than caring, he might be in love with her/Surma/the Fire. I speculate (please adjust your tinfoil hat) that at some point in the comic, Coyote will offer Annie a deal; he will marry her, " cure" her and give her the possibility to have a child, (or more than one!) and live. He'll probably throw in some threats and promises for good measure. Obviously she will turn him down. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 1:17:02 GMT
While Coyote picking out Annie for an uncertain pivotal role should connect to what Mort said about her, I think Coyote's jealousy is because he is in love with himself and his plan, which is to him, rather like a single thought that, in this world, needs to be realized in many steps that he doesn't consider much before acting on them, such that he is himself "surprised" by the end result, yet he has actually changed nothing that wasn't within himself from the beginning. Consider it the impossible goal: a pristine translation. The clue I'm building this hypothesis around is the dead goose in a bush next to a lake. Coyote's introduction of his realm to Annie (the "my ever watching eyes, the Sun and the Moon" speech) clearly shows him as in love with his tremendous power (he even prances about above a reflective surface) -- how insulting that another love should stand against such. Remember the Betrayer's Crusade.
I've told you, but I'll repeat my belief that Coyote, unlike most Etheric beings we've seen, is "monadic" in how single-faceted he is -- thus his Etheric form as an endless ribbon of teeth (or perhaps kymation), whereas the more human and conflicted beings (Renard, Ysengrin...) appear closer to their non-Etheric material.
Nonetheless, I think the idea of Annie being offered a "cure" by Coyote, traded against her nature, fits perfectly with an ongoing theme (Ysengrin's armor; arguably, Tony's imitation of Jones that falls apart so often; Jenny "substituting" for hallucinogenic Zimmy, aware of Jack's unresolved love...).
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 29, 2017 7:16:14 GMT
I speculate (please adjust your tinfoil hat) that at some point in the comic, Coyote will offer Annie a deal; he will marry her, " cure" her and give her the possibility to have a child, (or more than one!) and live. He'll probably throw in some threats and promises for good measure. Obviously she will turn him down. I would like to add that merely one motive is not enough for Coyote, he needs to manipulate her into accomplishing even more of his nefarious goals. For instance, he might give her the "cure" by just giving her the means to find/create it herself, like Tony and the psychopomps. |
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 29, 2017 13:10:11 GMT
While Coyote picking out Annie for an uncertain pivotal role should connect to what Mort said about her, I think Coyote's jealousy is because he is in love with himself and his plan, which is to him, rather like a single thought that, in this world, needs to be realized in many steps that he doesn't consider much before acting on them, such that he is himself "surprised" by the end result, yet he has actually changed nothing that wasn't within himself from the beginning. Consider it the impossible goal: a pristine translation. The clue I'm building this hypothesis around is the dead goose in a bush next to a lake. Coyote's introduction of his realm to Annie (the "my ever watching eyes, the Sun and the Moon" speech) clearly shows him as in love with his tremendous power (he even prances about above a reflective surface) -- how insulting that another love should stand against such. Remember the Betrayer's Crusade. I've told you, but I'll repeat my belief that Coyote, unlike most Etheric beings we've seen, is "monadic" in how single-faceted he is -- thus his Etheric form as an endless ribbon of teeth (or perhaps kymation), whereas the more human and conflicted beings (Renard, Ysengrin...) appear closer to their non-Etheric material. Nonetheless, I think the idea of Annie being offered a "cure" by Coyote, traded against her nature, fits perfectly with an ongoing theme (Ysengrin's armor; arguably, Tony's imitation of Jones that falls apart so often; Jenny "substituting" for hallucinogenic Zimmy, aware of Jack's unresolved love...). Don't forget Renard switching bodies!  |
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 29, 2017 21:58:43 GMT
While Coyote picking out Annie for an uncertain pivotal role should connect to what Mort said about her, I think Coyote's jealousy is because he is in love with himself and his plan, which is to him, rather like a single thought that, in this world, needs to be realized in many steps that he doesn't consider much before acting on them, such that he is himself "surprised" by the end result, yet he has actually changed nothing that wasn't within himself from the beginning. Consider it the impossible goal: a pristine translation. The clue I'm building this hypothesis around is the dead goose in a bush next to a lake. Coyote's introduction of his realm to Annie (the "my ever watching eyes, the Sun and the Moon" speech) clearly shows him as in love with his tremendous power (he even prances about above a reflective surface) -- how insulting that another love should stand against such. Remember the Betrayer's Crusade. I've told you, but I'll repeat my belief that Coyote, unlike most Etheric beings we've seen, is "monadic" in how single-faceted he is -- thus his Etheric form as an endless ribbon of teeth (or perhaps kymation), whereas the more human and conflicted beings (Renard, Ysengrin...) appear closer to their non-Etheric material. Nonetheless, I think the idea of Annie being offered a "cure" by Coyote, traded against her nature, fits perfectly with an ongoing theme (Ysengrin's armor; arguably, Tony's imitation of Jones that falls apart so often; Jenny "substituting" for hallucinogenic Zimmy, aware of Jack's unresolved love...). Don't forget Renard switching bodies! Not to mention all these different robots switching bodies, or Parley's "Coward Heart" |
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