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Post by Nepycros on Nov 1, 2017 7:00:56 GMT
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Post by Nepycros on Nov 1, 2017 7:01:28 GMT
So now that we've established Jonesy is a character witness, do we suppose that Annie's gonna grill her for more details?
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Post by arf on Nov 1, 2017 7:12:41 GMT
Called it.A the door closes, Jones doesn't have quite the stone-faced expression she usually has.
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Post by maxptc on Nov 1, 2017 7:16:42 GMT
So its confirmed that scene we saw in The Stone happened seconds after Surma dumped James. Anyone else getting a weird vibe from the Jones/James realtionship? Even if we don't get them this chapter, I have a feeling we are gonna learn some awkward details about that whole mess.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 1, 2017 7:49:56 GMT
Looks like Jones has questions. But she prioritizes spending time with her charge.
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Post by maxptc on Nov 1, 2017 7:56:06 GMT
Looks like Jones has questions. But she prioritizes spending time with her charge. "Spending time" Is that what they called it back then? 😎 |
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Post by Lightice on Nov 1, 2017 8:09:21 GMT
"Good luck, fellow human facsimile."
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Post by philman on Nov 1, 2017 8:13:57 GMT
Ok so as virtually everyone speculated, this confirms that scene with Jones conforting Eglamore is directly tied to this chapter.
One more piece of speculation: Does anyone else think Jones manipulated them into this situation so that she could get Eglamore all to herself? In the previous people we have seen her form partnerships with, we know that none of them left an heir, and ended up giving everything to Jones. So presumably none of them had anyone other than Jones either.
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Post by Trillium on Nov 1, 2017 8:18:57 GMT
Ok so as virtually everyone speculated, this confirms that scene with Jones conforting Eglamore is directly tied to this chapter. One more piece of speculation: Does anyone else think Jones manipulated them into this situation so that she could get Eglamore all to herself? In the previous people we have seen her form partnerships with, we know that none of them left an heir, and ended up giving everything to Jones. So presumably none of them had anyone other than Jones either. On your question about Jones manipulating the kids; nope. Not at all. |
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Post by philman on Nov 1, 2017 8:31:49 GMT
I don't know, her long stare at Surma and Tony as she closes the door... Looks very satisfied.
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Post by bicarbonat on Nov 1, 2017 8:36:37 GMT
Ok so as virtually everyone speculated, this confirms that scene with Jones conforting Eglamore is directly tied to this chapter. One more piece of speculation: Does anyone else think Jones manipulated them into this situation so that she could get Eglamore all to herself? In the previous people we have seen her form partnerships with, we know that none of them left an heir, and ended up giving everything to Jones. So presumably none of them had anyone other than Jones either. On your question about Jones manipulating the kids; nope. Not at all. Yeah, I think her 'look' at the end is: 1) Gears turning about the Court putting Tony (w/Surma tagging along) on that assignment, and where all of this will lead 2) Observing for mimicry/complementary reaction. Jones is like a mynah bird in facility for perfect recall, but her delivery is a lot slower in terms of a human affect. She's previously learned to deal with humans by meeting their expectations re: context-appropriate reaction. We saw Jones acting in a way we've never seen before with Eglamore after he leaves Surma & co. And while even a convincing affectionate overture wouldn't have worked because Eglamore was still in love with Surma, Jones is clearly trying to be what she thinks he needs/wants. |
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Post by maxptc on Nov 1, 2017 9:04:46 GMT
Ok so as virtually everyone speculated, this confirms that scene with Jones conforting Eglamore is directly tied to this chapter. One more piece of speculation: Does anyone else think Jones manipulated them into this situation so that she could get Eglamore all to herself? In the previous people we have seen her form partnerships with, we know that none of them left an heir, and ended up giving everything to Jones. So presumably none of them had anyone other than Jones either. Oh yeah, I definitely feel a manipulative vibe from Jones. Her way of observing human behavior is understandable, but I can see why Surma finds it creepy. I'd definitely be weirded out if a creature like that had such an invested realtionship with one of my friends, more so someone I was with. That look doesn't say "observing and/or studying" to me. I believe Jones has studied humans enough by this point to know more about relationships then Surma and James ever will. She said she learnt all her social skills and stuff from observation, but I don't think that translates to she is still learning. I think by the time she meets James she is well versed in understanding humans, and fully capable of manipulating them. This whole routine being a new experiment being tried for the first time seems unlikely to me, given she is as old as humanity. |
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Post by faiiry on Nov 1, 2017 9:31:34 GMT
Yay, we get to see more of Jones' shirt and hairstyle! Love that shirt.
So she was there the whole entire time, eh? How come she can't be seen??
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Post by faiiry on Nov 1, 2017 9:42:20 GMT
Theory: Jones goes to wherever Anja's from. Jones kills her father or mother or whomever it was, to destroy Donny's chances of going on the trip. Although this theory doesn't hold water, because A) Why wouldn't she simply kill a family member of Donny's? B) How could she have known Surma would volunteer?
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Post by vankersabra17 on Nov 1, 2017 10:00:12 GMT
Man. Surma is a total bitch. Really. I Hope Anna and Tony Will make her realize she is dead wrong here. But really... Screw her.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Nov 1, 2017 11:09:25 GMT
Jones appears at just the right dramatic moment to save the chapter, I mean comfort James, she appears and comforts James. If James had done more than just grab Tony by the shirt, would Jones have intervened? On your question about Jones manipulating the kids; nope. Not at all. I agree that "manipulate" is too strong of a term, but her presence in their lives does influence those lives. It may not be intended, but she has to know that it happens. |
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Post by csj on Nov 1, 2017 11:11:37 GMT
Gosh, it disturbs me to see you Jimmy
Looking so down in the dumps
Every guy here'd love to be you, Jimmy
Even when taking your lumps
There's no man in Court as admired as you
You're everyone's favorite guy
Everyone's awed and inspired by you
And it's not very hard to see why
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Post by rinabean on Nov 1, 2017 12:28:32 GMT
I'm dying. Jones is such a weirdo. She's normally so dignified but with her stupid head around the door as she shuts it... I'm dying. This is the last nail in the coffin of "I don't have feelings, I'm just a rock lady". We've seen lots of feelings from her before but never sheer pettiness like this. She's older than anything. She has no right to be this childish. I love it
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Post by Saliant on Nov 1, 2017 12:38:05 GMT
I think it's interesting to see people reading so much into Jones' expression when she has literally the same expression that she always does. Now, I don't know what she thinks, but that's kind of the point, isn't it? Jones is very hard to read because it's not exactly clear that there really is anything to read in the first place. Maybe she's just concerned for Jimmy, in her own way, or maybe she's wondering what the Court has planned for Tony and Surma. (Though I should remind folks that Surma didn't go because of the Court, but rather a stand in because someone in Anja's family died. I doubt the Court would have had an involvement in THAT, on just the off-chance that Surma would go with Tony. That's messy, even for the Court.)
Does Jones even have the emotional faculties to make judgments about the two of them, to feel angry, or to want to manipulate them? It's rather unclear, simply because we don't know Jones' inner workings and we really have no way to relate to them.
I do believe that she's concerned for Jimmy, just by her nature and wishing to be his friend and confidant. But as for her other feelings on the matter, I couldn't say.
Also, people are so quick to blame Tony or Surma or Jimmy (though less so) for what appears to just be... young relationships. I also feel like people's dislike of future Tony's actions (justified) are coloring a certain hatred towards past Tony that simply isn't warranted.
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Post by ohthatone on Nov 1, 2017 12:51:29 GMT
Why that lady be all starin'? I do find it interesting that if she was there the whole time, she did nothing to stop James from attacking Tony. I don't think she was manipulating anything, but I think she was mostly observing. Mostly. I wonder if she maybe had just a flicker of some feelings that she didn't know what to do with, hence the creepy exit. Anger that Surma would treat her companion like this, relief that Surma won't be in the picture anymore, outright confusion at Tony. |
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Post by The Anarch on Nov 1, 2017 13:04:43 GMT
Jones is always there.
ALWAYS.
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Post by ctso74 on Nov 1, 2017 13:23:05 GMT
Gosh, it disturbs me to see you Jimmy Looking so down in the dumps Every guy here'd love to be you, Jimmy Even when taking your lumps There's no man in Court as admired as you You're everyone's favorite guy Everyone's awed and inspired by you And it's not very hard to see why Well, no one's neck's as incredibly thick as Jimmy's, so... I'm hoping we see a discussion between Donnie/Anja and Tony/Surma now. |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Nov 1, 2017 13:40:02 GMT
Surma is so blunt she's capable of even making Jones pull a face.
Even if only a little.
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Post by spritznar on Nov 1, 2017 14:05:22 GMT
now i kind of really want to go through the entire comic and compare to see if jones' face has ever actually changed expression...
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Post by Per on Nov 1, 2017 14:19:10 GMT
I think it's interesting to see people reading so much into Jones' expression when she has literally the same expression that she always does. Yes. Incidentally, that's how the boxbot edits thread came about. now i kind of really want to go through the entire comic and compare to see if jones' face has ever actually changed expression... She smiled once, it didn't go well. |
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Post by Anthony on Nov 1, 2017 14:35:45 GMT
Is that some kind of face, Jones?
Since Jones doesn't really have human feelings, maybe she's trying to understand why would Surma do such irrational thing?
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Post by faiiry on Nov 1, 2017 14:44:58 GMT
I think people are putting too much meaning into Jones' expression and actions on this page. She's same old emotionless Jones and she's exiting the room. I don't think there's any significance to her peeking around the door. She probably has no opinion on the situation other than "Hmm, interesting."
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Post by Zox Tomana on Nov 1, 2017 14:45:45 GMT
I don't see what y'all are seeing with this idea of Jones pulling a face. Looks as flat to me as ever. Just angled.
I also don't get this new popular theory that Jones is some kind of manipulative force in the lives of the people she takes as companions. (Also note, on "none of them had heirs," we only have the one example of that.) True, we only have her testimony for this, but her definition of herself is that of a stone because "A stone does not desire anything. It has no dreams or feelings of any kind." Word of Tom in the commentary video for The Stone indicates that this goes so far as the mere act of opening her eyes at the bottom of the sea was a massive step for her, because she very nearly only learns through mimicry. Without seeing creatures that move, she would not have thought to move her own limbs. The act of beginning to observe is the first physical act she engaged in, and for Tom it represents something massive for the character of Jones. That's how deep the lack of desire goes. Clearly she desires to learn, and to observe, but even that basic desire took millions of years to manifest strongly enough to generate the initiative to take a look at her surroundings. And in the modern day, she relates to Annie that she is content to be a curiosity for the Court because she has "no desire to be anything else."
Jones requires no food. No drink. No shelter. All the Court gives her is a place to return to, and honestly that isn't a necessary thing for her either. I bring this up because Jones seems to be astute enough to understand human motivations, at least enough that she should realize that expressing some kind of desire for companionship is not going to cause all hell to break loose. She has no motivation to lie about herself, at least not in this regard. It's not like anyone can actually harm her, or force her to do anything.
Besides... if Jones were all about getting Eggers for herself, she's done a pretty crappy job at transferring his affections. He's clearly never liked Tony, but from this moment on I think it's safe to say he pretty hates the guy... and that hatred endures. "Why?" I ask, and the answer that comes to me is that he's never gotten over Surma, never gotten over the fact that Tony stole her away. You'd think if Jones had manipulated things such that she became Eglamore's romantic partner, he'd move past Surma, or at least come to terms with the fact that said relationship did not work out. And yet...
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Post by gunnerscrag on Nov 1, 2017 14:51:25 GMT
Eggy Eggs is angry because surma left him for guy!Jones, while he is stuck with jones!Jones and her creepy ways of comforting. Poor eggers, hes too scrambled
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Post by davidm on Nov 1, 2017 15:25:38 GMT
Anybody who has seen terminator movies knows that Jones is from the future with mission to make sure Gunnergrigg court finishes the "Omega" skynet program. Anyone who has watched alien franchise knows she is looking to confirm that Anthony has brought back the mind control parasites from the amazon jungle.
All this is boring setup for the new Alien (Anthony) verses Terminator (James).
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