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Post by saardvark on May 9, 2024 2:30:06 GMT
I'm now beginning to wonder if this isn't Omega. *puts on tinfoil hat* We're seeing the first of many attempts at controlling the ether, and it all starts with this girl, maybe named Alpha? Omega is the final conclusion, Zeta and Gamma were just along the way. Either that or Zimmy is a straight up clone. The resemblances are too close. I agree, but guessed it already a while ago: gunnerkrigg.proboards.com/post/187480
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Post by saardvark on Apr 27, 2024 1:40:11 GMT
Perhaps Zimmy is failed Omega clone. Gotta have backups. A lot of people have been assuming that Omega was created from Zimmy, but Zimmy being a failed Omega clone, or a failed first attempt at making what is now Omega actually makes a lot of sense Theory: this is maybe Zimmy-mark-1, the first attempt at Omega, in a human. Last century, hence the period clothes. Experiment failed, subject died. Zimmy herself is Zimmy-mark-N, the most recent, and final attempt attain an *organic* Omega. As crafty Coyote said, the Court wants to become gods, or have god-like prediction ability. Originally they thought they way to go was orgranic, but after repeated failures, they finally succeeded (sort of) with current machine Omega.
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Post by saardvark on Mar 22, 2024 12:54:41 GMT
Not sure if someone pointed this out already, but the barnacles sort of look like warped organic (NP!) versions of seraph eyes. Robot has thought himself a prophet of the Angel, a robot John-the-Baptist type, a shower-of-the-way. But the barnacles infesting the angel wings seem to indicate that he now sees that he is just another corrupt and corrupted seraph, doing dubious things in the name of good.
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Post by saardvark on Mar 16, 2024 0:21:55 GMT
#metoo ! Love the half-egiptian-half-art noveau buildings, spacecraft and furniture (with a pinch of steampunk). Also, Sting with a codpiece and Agent Cooper as the Muadib. Yes, I so agree with you! Sadly, Lynch himself doesn't... [EDIT] The sleeper has awakened. Imagine how amazing it would have been if Lynch had 2 movies to tell the story!
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Post by saardvark on Nov 20, 2023 14:31:23 GMT
It didn't really have a mind/consciousness though, so maybe it doesn't count for having a soul(?)
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Post by saardvark on Nov 20, 2023 14:23:25 GMT
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Post by saardvark on Oct 4, 2023 21:06:40 GMT
if you think it, he will come....
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Post by saardvark on Oct 4, 2023 19:01:52 GMT
If thinking of sunlight through leaves (and maybe fond memories of the forest with Ys) can cause this scene to spring up, everyone better be careful of their idle daydreams...!
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Post by saardvark on Aug 29, 2023 19:17:34 GMT
Maybe Kat sent assembly instructions to the NPs along with the pieces(?)... since she knew NPs would be nearby where the beacon indicated Annie was (near a robot dig area).
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Post by saardvark on Aug 23, 2023 21:08:46 GMT
If the exhumed robots turned into (living) plants, does that mean their CPUs are now organic? Maybe the transplant of the CPUs into synthetic brains is not a needed step now(?)
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Post by saardvark on May 6, 2023 0:55:28 GMT
Kat, with a bead of sweat, a stutter, and a clenched smile, seems a bit nervous here. Does she know/suspect something? Did Robot tell her or hint something? Has Annie discussed their odd behavior?
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Post by saardvark on Apr 11, 2023 17:22:20 GMT
Forum Q: Did Kat become non-human when she pressed the button that led to needing the reboot? Like, is she non-human now? As a philosopher, my personal answer is YES. Because on top of an extended mind, which she had already begun to have before, she is fully beyond ordinary human capabilities now, and able to see and hear and "move" beyond her own body. But I guess some subset of her present being still involves a human body, so I'm open to contrary opinions. I'd say she's trans-human, or human+ . She has a human body (chip enhanced) and a human mind (also enhanced/altered)... so she is still at least partly human, but also More Than Human (to swipe a novel title). An enhanced human.
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Post by saardvark on Apr 5, 2023 12:07:34 GMT
the pixelization around the spark is odd... an artistic choice, or is it meant to suggest a computer generated origin?
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Post by saardvark on Mar 17, 2023 20:57:15 GMT
panel 1 (Paz' memory) is a lot more metal-angelic than the original: fairly distinct neck-head with blown back, coil/tube hair, and swept back, ribbed, bat-like "wings" sprouting from what would be the shoulder area, plus spiky ribs in the chest/body.....
It is worrisome that the arrow is probably still linked to Kat's computer - I dont want to think about the possibly weird/ugly/warped consequences of interactions between her mind and the arrow when in directly connected like that. Really hope she doesnt mediate the transfer back into her meat-ware *through* the bloody evil green thing.....
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Post by saardvark on Mar 15, 2023 13:32:15 GMT
ah, the oh-so-rare, sweet smell of baking cookies! (Philman gets some too!)
from [2756] Mar 10, 2023 16:51:34 GMT -4 saardvark said: It would be interesting if they got as far as trading notes on seeing Kat in Mecha-angel-Kat form..... Paz: "...I know we were all in a hallucinogenic Zimmy fog on that boat, but for a moment I thought I saw Kat changed into some monster mechanical being..." Annie: "You know, once when I was under a heavy Etheric influence, I saw something sorta like that too..." etc. etc.
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Post by saardvark on Mar 10, 2023 20:51:34 GMT
She's just come face to face with the ongoing results of Kat's driven obsessiveness and has realised that tendency isn't really Annie's fault, I think. I agree with your conclusion, I have just gone back too and read that section where Paz has a go at Annie for upsetting Kat to become distracted and obsessed, you can see that Paz is super upset at the changes in Kat, and is blaming it on Annie (who has been the centre of a lot iof the weirdness and changes to be fair), but there is no way to blame this current state of affairs with Kat on Annie and Paz realises that she got it wrong originally, Kat would have always gone on to be like this. I am very interested to see how this discussion goes now, I expect we will see the events of the Love Boat brought up as well. It would be interesting if they got as far as trading notes on seeing Kat in Mecha-angel-Kat form..... Paz: "...I know we were all in a hallucinogenic Zimmy fog on that boat, but for a moment I thought I saw Kat changed into some monster mechanical being..." Annie: "You know, once when I was under a heavy Etheric influence, I saw something sorta like that too..." etc. etc.
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Post by saardvark on Feb 23, 2023 16:17:09 GMT
So Omega is taking over Kat. It's not Kat who's killing Zimmy with Omega, it's Omega using Kat. wild-spec-y: ...and perhaps Zimms doesn't actually die, but is left as not-the-Zimmy-we-know anymore. A metaphorical death. Omega, in the process of interacting with her, robs her of her etheric absorption "ability", and Zimmy becomes a mundane, standard human.
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Post by saardvark on Feb 3, 2023 15:01:34 GMT
After all, why not? Why shouldn't she keep it? One chip to rule them all? a "precious" chip?
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Post by saardvark on Feb 1, 2023 4:21:17 GMT
I'm really curious about Tony's family/upbringings since Annie has no grandfamily on his side (which is obvious in Surma's case, but not for her dad), and he deliberately ignored the direct question about his parents in comics (page 1881) . Perhaps he really is not fully human and I'm pretty sure his inability to act normal around people is some kind of state of having his mind permanently restricted like the "non physical jail" mentioned by Saslamel's translator here (the wording used here has hit me as a similarity to Tony's situation immediately) I'm pretty sure Tony isn't etherically restricted, just neurodivergent! Tom is a wonderfully subtle author/artist and has chosen to employ metaphor (the Mind Cage) instead of stating it outright. Jones talking about minds taking many shapes cinches this particular reading in for me. Re: his family, the moment I saw page 1881 I had a hunch Tony had a troubled/dysfunctional upbringing, especially in a household that was emotionally abusive or negligent. Speaking from personal experience, you learn to be very private about family matters when you grow up in a dysfunctional home--maybe your parents instill in you the conviction that you can't speak to anyone about any of it, or either way you find it exceptionally hard to explain your situation to people who had relatively healthy childhoods. It could also be something else he doesn't feel comfortable divulging, e.g. being a product of the foster system. I don't know. But it's clear he didn't grow up in a settled home. I see it in the way he approaches parenthood, too, almost like he is scared of himself--to me, that's a telling sign. Obviously, part of it is the Surma-double physicality issue and the neurodivergence. But it doesn't fully explain the way he acts around Annie. I don't know. Does anyone else see it? Or is my imagination just in hyperdrive? As for Tony and Surma's relationship, though... wouldn't be surprised if it was Omega's doing, even if the feelings are genuine. The situation could still have been contrived. I mean. Two people, a well-appointed cabin, no one else for miles, a jungle full of the dangerous and exotic, and a classified observation mission where the most significant thing they witnessed was slug sex? Sign me up for Love Island Gunnerkrigg. possibly Tony has Aspbergers/mild Autism, and his family didn't understand/know how to deal with it, so neglect, negligence....?
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Post by saardvark on Feb 1, 2023 4:15:13 GMT
Two thoughts: 1. Has Paz' chin become more pointed? 2. Paz has met Zimmy more than once. Also, given all the adventures Kat and Annie had that involved Zimmy, and Zimmy was the one who combined the two Annies into one, it is very weird that Paz has to ask who Zimmy is. Did Kat never tell her own girlfriend about all these things?
Yes, I'm also wondering if this is the first time a Zimmy illusion/influence has not been resolved before the end of a chapter.
EDIT: Hm, Annie's chin also looks more pointed on this page.
Zimmy's chin has been pointed lately as well (tho not Gamma), www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2729 but Kat was pointy too, even before possible Zim influence: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2717Maybe just a stylistic shift....
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Post by saardvark on Jan 23, 2023 23:19:50 GMT
Long-time lurker here. Finally delurked to post a sketch! I really miss Tom's old expressive art circa chapters 25-39, especially the way he used to play with line weight, so I was in a bit of a nostalgic mood when I drew this. Anyways, I really love tan!Kat! We need to bring back tan!Kat! I like the lanky, loooong-limbed look you've given Annie here.
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Post by saardvark on Jan 21, 2023 4:39:06 GMT
Long-time lurker here. Finally delurked to post a sketch! I really miss Tom's old expressive art circa chapters 25-39, especially the way he used to play with line weight, so I was in a bit of a nostalgic mood when I drew this. Anyways, I really love tan!Kat! We need to bring back tan!Kat! welcome to the forum, most exquisite corpus!
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Post by saardvark on Jan 17, 2023 14:39:34 GMT
As possible evidence of Zimmy influence, note that in panel 6, Jack is starting to get the gray shadows around his eyes, just like when he is under the influence of having been in Zimmingham, and/or affected by Zimmy or spiders from the depths of Zimm space, e.g., www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=702 or www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=737
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Post by saardvark on Jan 11, 2023 18:39:34 GMT
whoo-hoo! my long and boring analysis of the black emo tendrils seems to have scored a semi-correct insight: (blah-blah-bah...) panel 7 - seems to not follow the pattern! Zimmlet seems suddenly distracted, reflective, seemingly calmed(?) yet tendrils are back on chin and cheek. This makes me think, maybe Zimmy is suddenly aware of something; maybe the Court has located her, and she is VERY fearful for herself and/or Gamma...... Looks like Zimms *was* suddenly aware of something (see [2731]); that Kat was going to kill her! This undoubtedly increased her fear level (and possibly contributed to the increased tendril length) Yay, I wins cookie crumbs... but at one correct guess in 10, had to get them sometime, I suppose....
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Post by saardvark on Jan 11, 2023 15:19:10 GMT
I wonder if this is setting up for a tragic mistake - Kat goes in to hack Omega, but since the Court plans to use (or is already using) Zimms as a component of Omega, she is essentially doing invasive surgery on Zimmy.
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Post by saardvark on Jan 10, 2023 5:13:43 GMT
It is, it isn’t… depends on the definitions or a manner of speaking. Manufactured by Schrodinger? or his cat....
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Post by saardvark on Jan 10, 2023 5:12:57 GMT
So far, Annie has only seen Mecha-Angel Kat when both she and Kat were under the "influence"/using malign "Diego-(Court)-ether-tech" (green arrow-related stuff). Similarly, Paz (and the seraphs) could only see Mecha-Angel Kat in the ether-explosion following Kat's electrocution of the proto-whale-ship which was constructed under the "influence" of a Court-driven overdrive of Zimm's reality warping abilities. Zimmy can see Mecha-Angel Kat naturally, maybe seeing a possible future, or an underling reality? There seems to be some connection between the Court's warped use of ether-tech, Zimm's ether-based reality warping, and Kat's Mecha-Angel emergence/visibility. Maybe ties into Omega as well? There seems to be a major nexus of puzzles here....
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Post by saardvark on Jan 10, 2023 4:41:17 GMT
the black tendril length seems correlated to Zimm's level of emotion. [2727] panels1&2 - irritated by the light - tendrils reaching her face: forehead, cheek - in this initial phase, she seems to need to break thru a tendril forest to fully reach the others panel 3 - recognizes Jack, calms - tendrils recede to her stomach panel 5 - recalls the Court is "coming for her" - they reach her face again, just touching one cheek [2728] panel 1 - calmly telling Annie "course" we knew - only reach her thigh panel 2 - relating how she felt a recent change, they've wanted something for a long time (fear rising) - now reaching neck & chin panel 4&5 - Jack & Annie fill in some details as they see things - Zimmster listens, thinks Annie's idea of absorbing her power is crazy (fear distracted) - tendrils recede to stomach panel 6 - Zimms ominously mentions "much worse things" (fear rising again) - tendrils back up to base of her neck [2729] panel 2 - Annie mentions Omega, Zimm get angry - tendrils grow to cheek and chin panel 4 - Annie mentions Kat trying to use Omega, Zimmy gets angrier! - stretches head back (maybe causing tendrils formerly on face to fall away), but now a whole forest of them rise up to grab her raised arms. The most we've seen since her first breakthrough on [2727] [2730] panel 1 - "you're helping them!" - still very angry, tendrils about the same as 2729-4 panel 2 - "no device" - Zimm-Zimm angry, but arguing reasonably - tendrils now off of upper arms panel 4 - perhaps responding to Jenny's suggestion of Annie helping the Court find Zimms, anger boils up again, tenedrils reach base of neck panel 5 - "you're trying to kill me" "thought you were my friend" "how could you?" - maybe(?) more hurt than angry now, tendrils recede slightly to chest panel 7 - seems to not follow the pattern! Zimmlet seems suddenly distracted, reflective, seemingly calmed(?) yet tendrils are back on chin and cheek. This makes me think, maybe Zimmy is suddenly aware of something; maybe the Court has located her, and she is VERY fearful for herself and/or Gamma......
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Post by saardvark on Dec 23, 2022 19:13:50 GMT
The salsamancy is not strong with you, Jen. condimancy?
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Post by saardvark on Dec 22, 2022 19:36:24 GMT
Goth isn't "gloomy doomy" the goth asthenic was borderline created by the Sandman "Death" character and she's very chipper. Being goth is more about a morbid / dark appearance and a willingness to take morbid or dark positions. The "ugh mopey" is more of a negative stereotype from people outside the group. Apologies, no offense intended. It seems I have absorbed some negative Goth stereotypes by accident. I sit, corrected. I've always loved the "Death" character, but having read it sometime after was written, I had always assumed that Gaiman was playing off the Goth idea rather than helping birth it!
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