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Post by bedinsis on Jan 11, 2023 8:01:56 GMT
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Post by shadow3 on Jan 11, 2023 8:16:54 GMT
Omega absorbs Loup's etheric energies, then Kat merges with Omega, then latin lyrics start being sung, and Omega-Kat devours Zimmy to become Omega-Kat-Z.
Then the Warriors of Light must band together to slay the goddess and save the world.
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Post by arcuna on Jan 11, 2023 8:17:42 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Jan 11, 2023 8:19:59 GMT
Trust your fears
I help you come out and you kill me for it
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Post by basser on Jan 11, 2023 8:23:09 GMT
Smash cut to Kat griping about the Court's disorganized network infrastructure.
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Post by blahzor on Jan 11, 2023 8:24:00 GMT
Smash cut to Kat griping about the Court's disorganized network infrastructure. She's actually just plugging in a usb-c to a camera |
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Post by arf on Jan 11, 2023 8:28:29 GMT
'Everyone dies' is a meme, Zim.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jan 11, 2023 10:04:56 GMT
Idk why, and I'm sure no one else saw this, but that panel gives me major religious artwork vibes. I mean, just a little more dramatic, and we come into La Pietá levels of dramatics. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jan 11, 2023 11:06:06 GMT
Zimmy in the foreground and the Mecha Angel in the background are almost aligned (reference page 1049). Zimmy is bleeding from a head wound on the same side the Mecha Angel has skull fractures.
Not sure if this implies that Kat will kill Zimmy by merging together, or if Zimmy is just imagining that she is someone else again. |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Jan 11, 2023 13:46:55 GMT
Zimmy in the foreground and the Mecha Angel in the background are almost aligned (reference page 1049). Zimmy is bleeding from a head wound on the same side the Mecha Angel has skull fractures.
Not sure if this implies that Kat will kill Zimmy by merging together, or if Zimmy is just imagining that she is someone else again. Since you already linked it, check out Tom's comment on page 1049. |
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Post by bicarbonat on Jan 11, 2023 13:59:32 GMT
Reminds me a little bit of Anthony's finger bones – which drained the etheric essence out of Annie. I wonder if something similar might happen to Zimmy, another unintentional but grave injury – this time, with no "Zimmy" to intervene. That could support the "Kat has something to do with Omega" theories, even if Omega is just a stepping stone to Kat's transformation. |
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Post by ctso74 on Jan 11, 2023 14:39:25 GMT
Beautiful page. I wonder about Gamma's role.
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Post by saardvark on Jan 11, 2023 15:19:10 GMT
I wonder if this is setting up for a tragic mistake - Kat goes in to hack Omega, but since the Court plans to use (or is already using) Zimms as a component of Omega, she is essentially doing invasive surgery on Zimmy.
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 11, 2023 18:36:10 GMT
Mystery solved!
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Post by csj on Jan 11, 2023 20:14:44 GMT
Trust your fears I help you come out and you kill me for it Not the kind of Queer discourse I wanted to see associated with this update |
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Post by exterminatecake on Jan 11, 2023 21:36:35 GMT
Trust your fears I help you come out and you kill me for it Diversity win! The teenager performing life-threatening etheric hacking on your soul essence is gay. |
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Post by argent on Jan 11, 2023 23:48:37 GMT
Zimmy in the foreground and the Mecha Angel in the background are almost aligned (reference page 1049). Zimmy is bleeding from a head wound on the same side the Mecha Angel has skull fractures.
Not sure if this implies that Kat will kill Zimmy by merging together, or if Zimmy is just imagining that she is someone else again. And it bears repeating, Tom’s caption to the full mecha-angel page is “One day, Zimmy” - previously discussed as being reference to Zimmy’s “one day I’ll die here” comment. (The mecha-angel page being from clear back in 2012, which makes this a 10.5-year payoff.) As an aside, we don’t see actual blood in this comic very often, do we? I can think of the little bit when Jeanne stabbed Smitty…then also in Annie’s flashback as she fell off the bridge at the end of the first book, and when Jeanne cut Annie’s cheek right thereafter. I can’t recall seeing this much blood onscreen previously, which makes it an even better “wham” page IMO. |
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Post by Runningflame on Jan 12, 2023 0:24:21 GMT
Zimmy in the foreground and the Mecha Angel in the background are almost aligned (reference page 1049). Zimmy is bleeding from a head wound on the same side the Mecha Angel has skull fractures. Interesting... I was reminded of the time that Annie was bleeding from a head wound, again on the same side. |
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Post by maxptc on Jan 12, 2023 1:51:14 GMT
Zimmy in the foreground and the Mecha Angel in the background are almost aligned (reference page 1049). Zimmy is bleeding from a head wound on the same side the Mecha Angel has skull fractures. Interesting... I was reminded of the time that Annie was bleeding from a head wound, again on the same side. ...I need to go post in wild spec. |
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Post by blahzor on Jan 12, 2023 7:04:41 GMT
Zimmy in the foreground and the Mecha Angel in the background are almost aligned (reference page 1049). Zimmy is bleeding from a head wound on the same side the Mecha Angel has skull fractures. Interesting... I was reminded of the time that Annie was bleeding from a head wound, again on the same side. all of this is superceeding my wild spec from yesterday Final Form kat is a amalgamation of everyone to some degree. The head wound, the animal skull (rey/y's?) looking on the neck, the seraph wings, the halo of the NP devotion, the endless sprawlingness of coyote she just absorbs everyone and everything leaving her and Annie to play Fortnite |
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Post by crater on Jan 13, 2023 2:29:14 GMT
*zimmy is kat theory intensifies*
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Post by drmemory on Jan 13, 2023 3:46:49 GMT
Far be it from me to be the voice of reason! But. Let's consider this methodically - use our little grey cells. Option 1 - Zimmy can see the future accurately. In that case, Annie is locked into killing Loup (despite recent events) and Zimmy is doomed. I am not really a fan of this theory, as it assumes determinism, and we know that the ether can be used to change things. Possibly even in the past? Option 2 - Zimmy can see likely futures. This would explain a lot of her concerns - if she sees Kat killing her, vividly, well who wouldn't be upset about that? Annie killing Loup is still part of Coyote's big plan, but Loup has changed somewhat recently, and Annie never really wanted to do it anyway, so who knows whether that is fated to happen? If it is, must it happen literally? We've also seen a bit of evidence for Zimmy being unstuck in time - I remember her screaming that something had already happened once. Zimmy can affect reality. I'm pretty sure this is the case. We have seen a lot of evidence for it. The most clear event is when she merged the Annies, who by the way may not have started out split from one! I've always believed they were snagged from two different realities, and not necessarily at the same time. I see it like this: Kat changed the past with the help of the Norns and her Burb. The original Annie died, but this created a second reality with a living Annie, basically the same Annie that died except for being saved. Later on, years later, Loup snagged another Annie (Cannie) from another reality to make things more convenient for himself, so they could talk without the court trying to bomb him and such. If I'm right about this, then what Zimmy did wasn't to undo what Loup did but rather to merge two Annies.
This is consistent with what we saw happen. Dead Annie - we saw her hair in the river when Fannie was diving, and the zombie elf dude had her hairclip. The Annie that showed up thanks to Kat's actions was shifted just then, so her age and memories and everything were the same, she just wasn't dead. When Loup shifted a new one into being, she had the same age and memories and everything as the one he was talking to, but the one who became Fannie really was about 6 months younger than Cannie just because Cannie had an extra six months of experiences in the court, whereas Fannie was in a pocket of time created by Loup. Current Annie (Merged Annie? Mannie?) has double fire power because she is really a new one, created by Zimmy - again, this is consistent with what we've seen. I think Tom has played fair with this stuff all along.
Zimmy's power over reality isn't a third option, it's just true in Tom's universe. The problem is, it makes it tough to know what is real now and what has been real in the past. Like right now, in the conversation we're watching, where are they? Maybe in the limbo-esque area where Renard and Gamma talked that one time? Or maybe in Zimmyland? The problem there is that we can't be sure who is real and who is a puppet, controlled by some combination of Zimmy, Annie, and Gamma. I found Jenny's reaction to be reminiscent of the Renard puppet that one time when the Annies were tossed into Zimmyland with some elf kid puppets and a Surma puppet - sort of plausible but not really in character. So I'm not really sure what we're seeing right now. Also, the blood and the creeping dark goo aren't things we normally see around. None of that means that Zimmy hasn't seen Annie kill Loup and Kat kill her. I just don't think we can assume it is unavoidable. Clearly there is a lot going on right now, where ever they are talking, and at least one major player we haven't met yet - Omega.
Prediction - Next scene change will be to watch Kat's hacking adventures and her first encounter with Omega.  |
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Post by stclair on Jan 13, 2023 8:20:14 GMT
all of this is superceeding my wild spec from yesterday Final Form kat is a amalgamation of everyone to some degree. The head wound, the animal skull (rey/y's?) looking on the neck, the seraph wings, the halo of the NP devotion, the endless sprawlingness of coyote she just absorbs everyone and everything leaving her and Annie to play Fortnite "Congratulations!" |
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Post by madjack on Jan 13, 2023 9:02:56 GMT
all of this is superceeding my wild spec from yesterday Final Form kat is a amalgamation of everyone to some degree. The head wound, the animal skull (rey/y's?) looking on the neck, the seraph wings, the halo of the NP devotion, the endless sprawlingness of coyote she just absorbs everyone and everything leaving her and Annie to play Fortnite I like this idea, and not just because there's an Akira joke in there, somewhere. |
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Post by arf on Jan 13, 2023 10:47:55 GMT
Sudden thought: did Annie, Jack, and Jenny see Zimmy's projection of the Mechangel?
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 13, 2023 16:00:05 GMT
[...] Later on, years later, Loup snagged another Annie (Cannie) from another reality to make things more convenient for himself, so they could talk without the court trying to bomb him and such. If I'm right about this, then what Zimmy did wasn't to undo what Loup did but rather to merge two Annies. [...] When Loup shifted a new one into being, she had the same age and memories and everything as the one he was talking to, but the one who became Fannie really was about 6 months younger than Cannie just because Cannie had an extra six months of experiences in the court, whereas Fannie was in a pocket of time created by Loup. Current Annie (Merged Annie? Mannie?) has double fire power because she is really a new one, created by Zimmy - again, this is consistent with what we've seen. [...] You know, it really grinds my gears that we are continuously trying to untangle this part and speculate about it when the protagonist apparently knows what's up, but chose to only share "No... I understand." with the readers.
Another thing, it seems that the right metal-whatever (claw? giant knife?) is pointing towards the white patch that appears on all the clothes Zimmy wears, and also seems (to me at least) to be the most bright and obvious it has ever been.
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Post by aline on Jan 13, 2023 16:37:06 GMT
[...] Later on, years later, Loup snagged another Annie (Cannie) from another reality to make things more convenient for himself, so they could talk without the court trying to bomb him and such. If I'm right about this, then what Zimmy did wasn't to undo what Loup did but rather to merge two Annies. [...] When Loup shifted a new one into being, she had the same age and memories and everything as the one he was talking to, but the one who became Fannie really was about 6 months younger than Cannie just because Cannie had an extra six months of experiences in the court, whereas Fannie was in a pocket of time created by Loup. Current Annie (Merged Annie? Mannie?) has double fire power because she is really a new one, created by Zimmy - again, this is consistent with what we've seen. [...] You know, it really grinds my gears that we are continuously trying to untangle this part and speculate about it when the protagonist apparently knows what's up, but chose to only share "No... I understand." with the readers. I think we do know a bunch of things about this. We know there are different timelines and that Zimmy is aware of them (Gamma confirmed that when talking about Kat). We know there are deities in control of those timelines and they have an as yet unkown reason to let Kat mess with those. We also know the Annies are merged (there are a lot of visual cues to tell us Zimmy didn't remove one Annie but rather they became one). I don't think Zimmy made all of it happen, however I do believe the Court uses her ability to influence events. My theory is that this is still a bit vague because there are implications about Kat that we're not meant to have definitive answers about yet. I think that Annie realized she was one person, even with different experiences and relationships and having made different decisions in a separate timeline, and that means all Annies are just different aspects of Annie. Making them easily "mergeable". Somewhere in an alternate universe there is an "evil" Kat who became who knows what, because of how she lost Annie, both causing her grief and depriving her of an important friend to ground her and open her to different perspectives. She's not a different person but an aspect of our Kat and is connected to her. She may well be able to influence events in our Kat's timeline. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jan 13, 2023 17:09:26 GMT
Far be it from me to be the voice of reason! But. Let's consider this methodically - use our little grey cells. Option 1 - Zimmy can see the future accurately. In that case, Annie is locked into killing Loup (despite recent events) and Zimmy is doomed. I am not really a fan of this theory, as it assumes determinism, and we know that the ether can be used to change things. Possibly even in the past? Option 2 - Zimmy can see likely futures. This would explain a lot of her concerns - if she sees Kat killing her, vividly, well who wouldn't be upset about that? Annie killing Loup is still part of Coyote's big plan, but Loup has changed somewhat recently, and Annie never really wanted to do it anyway, so who knows whether that is fated to happen? If it is, must it happen literally? We've also seen a bit of evidence for Zimmy being unstuck in time - I remember her screaming that something had already happened once. Option 2.5 - Zimmy can see the intent behind what Coyote has set in motion for the future. Coyote, being an extraordinarily powerful being, meant to make it inevitable for Annie to kill Loup. That doubtless left an imprint upon the Ether, perhaps a sort of rut that the wheels follow if nothing is done to push them to one side or the other. Option 3 - Zimmy can see what Annie fears will happen, or even what Zimmy herself fears will happen. It has nothing to do with seeing the future or other timelines; it's all about fears. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jan 13, 2023 17:18:39 GMT
You know, it really grinds my gears that we are continuously trying to untangle this part and speculate about it when the protagonist apparently knows what's up, but chose to only share "No... I understand." with the readers. I know! I watched the retrospective video for that chapter, and Tom said basically what happened, and he said that he was unhappy about not being able to communicate that better to the readers, but it wouldn't have made sense or been in character for there to be more explanation/exposition. Renard started to explain to Annie, but Tom's right; why explain to someone to whom it just happened? But he never bothered to find some other way to explain it to us poor readers, and he hasn't done so since either. From the way I read/heard it, at least, it sounds as if Annie already had a schism in her related to whether she should hang onto her mother's memory to a fault or whether she should forget about her; she didn't know how to find a middle ground. Loup took advantage of that and just gave those two extremes separate bodies. Zimmy showed her how to find a middle ground, and while her own personality was coming back together after having been split among several bodies, Annie (who was also inside that vision) got fixed too. Zimmy couldn't have done this at any other time, but the circumstances were right. |
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