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Post by aline on Apr 20, 2015 22:06:20 GMT
Uh, she treated Rey similarly to this a number of times throughout the early chapters. There was a point where he spent half a chapter unable to speak because she made him shut up and then forgot about it. I remember that. She *was* very controlling of him, when she still thought of him as an evil demon. But now she's giving him away. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=108In my eyes the magnitude of it doesn't compare. It is a sensible topic to her, but show me which kid wouldn't run screaming at the thought that they killed their mother? On other less hurtful occasions, we've also seen her interested discussing her parents ( www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1010 ). She's obviously hurt to have lost one and been abandoned by the other, but it's not like she snaps every time they're mentioned. I remember that too. But neither young Annie nor young Anthony were ever shown behaving like on today's page. They are quiet and somewhat withdrawn in public, but in private they seem quite ready to share their feelings with the people they trust: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1011www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=92But suddenly she's so far beyond the edge that she's coming back from the other side, as Pratchett would put it. I'm just missing a link here. Annie's breakdown is far too sudden and extreme to feel believable to me, even with her dad jumping in by surprise. Again, it's just how I feel. I understand that others feel differently.
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Post by aline on Apr 20, 2015 13:21:45 GMT
I'm sorry, I've tried hard to talk myself into believing this makes sense by itself but this page broke it for me. Sure, her feelings and personality play a part in that, but it's not enough to explain wat is going on here. There's got to be something else. When you said a mad girl about to be taken to a mental hospital I think you missed the possibility that that is how emotionally compromised she is. Well, I'm not a doctor, so I can't rule out that chaining her close friend and lightly complaining later that he made a bit of a fuss about being handed over to the man he hates is a normal symptom of Annie having a painful father-daughter relationship. But I don't believe it. I said before that I saw two possible explanations to this, one being that she didn't see the horror of it, and the other that she is constrained in some way despite knowing how horrible this is. I'm sure there are a lot of ways people can go mad and many reasons why they do, but in the context of this story, I don't buy that this happens to Annie *solely* because of emotional damage. It may make sense in the real world, but not in the comic. You're free to disagree with me of course, but heck, but it's how I feel.
I do believe she's emotionally compromised. There is no way she wouldn't be. I just think there is more than just hat. The Court does have a history of using people's shattered feelings and direct them artficially to a specific purpose (That's pretty much what Jeanne's ghost is). And Anthony is such a purposeful man. He has an aim to achieve with all this, he's not just here because he was bored and was looking forward to read some homework. I don't think he just left everything to hazardous emotional reactions. I think he set the stage he needed with this whole classroom scene, just like the Court did when they forced Jeanne to go to the Annan waters. Then he did... whatever he did, taking advantage of her weakness, pain and inner struggles.
I don't see how this scenario would mean the emotional challenges are going to be cheapened or dismissed.
While it could be the case if we were talking about a real person, it would make no sense whatsoever in the story. That was an example I gave to demonstrate why I rule out her being actually on her way to the mental hosiptal. I don't think it makes any sense in the story.
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Post by aline on Apr 20, 2015 9:45:11 GMT
Holy crap I think I was right about the mind control. Notice that her hair gets messy and frayed like it did when she was talking to Tony. This would be an extremely stupid move if it were true, and it would cheapen everything that's happening here. Annie having difficulty accepting her father's abusive behavior? Annie reverting to denial as a coping mechanism because it's easier than facing the truth? Suppressing her feelings because she's shti at dealing with them, and because she's terrified of disobeying her Dad because she has difficulty seeing him as a flawed human being with very real problems that she shouldn't let slide? NOPE MIND CONTROL It more or less reduces all of Annie's very believable emotional problems to a plot device that can be fought and defeated to save the day. You're forgetting that in GC, feelings, psychology, personality, all of that is mixed to magic to the point that it can't be separated. Look at Jeanne: there is a device trapping her to the Annan waters, but her love and her pain are both intense and real. In fact, it's a part of her cage, and the Court used those feelings to make her their guardian.
In Annie's case, her feelings are real too, and I'm sure they will be adressed. But her behavior right now? I don't find it believable. I don't find it logical. I don't buy, not unless there's something that's somehow amplifying her reactions or preventing her to fight back against some of her feelings. Either it's mind control or similar, or she's been suddenly struck with schyzophrenia (not going to happen). If nothing comes up to explain that behavior beyond what we already know... I'll be the one to be very disappointed.
Nope. She's never treated Rey (or anyone) this way. She protected him and treated him like a person (chapter 6). She's never really been unable to share her feelings, she just had very few people she was comfortable doing it with. Shortly after she became friend with Kat, she cried about her mum and talked about her father and her worries (chapter 6). Coyote came along a long time after that. She didn't brush away the subject of her parents, she was rather curious to learn things she didn't know about most of the time. She would suppress feelings most of the time, yes, but like a normal person who doesn't like to cry in front of other people. Not like a mad girl about to be taken to the mental hospital. I'm sorry, I've tried hard to talk myself into believing this makes sense by itself but this page broke it for me. Sure, her feelings and personality play a part in that, but it's not enough to explain wat is going on here. There's got to be something else.
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Post by aline on Apr 20, 2015 8:07:51 GMT
I just had one idea(sorry if someone already wrote it)- what if Divine was somehow foreshadowing? Here are my ideas what each of it's visions meant: Kamlen and the forest- her memories about forest. We saw her turning from him- like her father now want's her to turn from forest. Jones- many people said it: get Jones to help. Perhaps Annie tried this, but it didn't really help. Mask- well, we see it. Best way Annie knows to deal with problems is to keep it to herself Kat under tree and homework- the talk we just had between them. This conversation started about copying her homework, what was such a problem for Annie that in Divine she decided to hide it with her mask. Mask taken away from her- we have it now. She lost control for a moment, but she regained her mask and put it back. Bones- well, quite obvious- reason for this all is her father's return. And this is where speculation really start. Punch in the face- perhaps Kat will play Zimmy's part, and either confront Anthony, or just say Annie what she really thinks about him. Being thrown out of Annies mind- sorry to say that, but looks like Annie will throw Kat away from her life, at least for now. Jack- looks like we will see Annie going to him for support, or maybe he will offer it himself Mask broken- apparently, he will cause her to finally lose her control, and she will break down Fight- and then Annie will be so mad she will throw him against the wall.
Interesting interpretation. However the mask isn't broken by Jack but by Zimmy, when she tells Annie her dad's a jerk. That's the point where she fights back and throws her out.
(Go on, Kat, call him a jerk, ya never know).
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Post by aline on Apr 20, 2015 7:58:43 GMT
But suddenly I'm beginning to warm up a bit to the idea that a lot of what was going on from Zimmy's perspective in Divine could have been metaphorical, rather than literal. As in the bones may not actually have literally been Anthony's direct doing, and could have been some representation of Annie's conflicted pain regarding her father, once again popping up here to cause her pain. Usually in Gunnerkrigg, it's the metaphore that turns into reality and not the reality that turns out to be a metaphore. Something very specific was going on in Divine, and I think every bit of it was real (to the story). Regarding how Annie is acting now, I already thought this was way too out of character last page. With this page, I'm convinced that something artficial is going on, be it technological or etheric. It's not just a psychological father-daughter relationship problem, not even a screwed up one.
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Post by aline on Apr 18, 2015 7:41:27 GMT
A part of me still really hopes that this is not anything supernatural or mind-control related though, because I'm afraid that would cheapen what's so tragic here. I don't think Annie is an abused child, but she was clearly a neglected child. Abuse and neglect are two separate things. My shot in the dark theory is that Annie's independence and many of the qualities I've come to admire from her actually comes from the neglect. They made her appear mature and collected as a child, but also crippled her from learning in a way other children can, because she cares more about appearing collected than learning. I dunno. Neglect doesn't change one's personnality overnight. The only thing I can consider (aside from mind control) that would make Annie act like this, is that she cannot imagine that anything bad could happen to Rey under Anthony's control. The one constant aspect we have seen is that critic of her father is apparently non-existent in her mind. She always assumes he has good reasons, positive motivations for whatever he's doing. While Kat, like us, find this man's actions very questionable at least, Annie never questions it. Remember how your dad was your hero when you were little? It's quite possible she trusts him too absolutely to understand why Rey doesn't want to be given to Anthony. She just assumes everything will be fine because she sees him as the good guy. Even that level of trust, though, is quite strange in a 14 years old, especially one who has been left alone so long. Neglect doesn't usually enforce trust, on contrary. It's so very unnatural. I'm still thinking there must be more than just psychology going on.
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Post by aline on Apr 17, 2015 14:52:01 GMT
I think this is too far out of character even in a shock, even if she's really desperate to please her father. She was really upset earlier when Tony told her what he had in mind for her and now it looks like she doesn't care.
Something is at the very least altering her perception of reality.
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Post by aline on Apr 17, 2015 12:47:21 GMT
Annie refused to give renard to the Donlans back when she found out he was in her plush wolf, despite the fact that he'd just tried to kill her and she had no reason to trust or like him at the time. Despite the fact that the demand came from adults, teachers and her parents' friends, authority figures she ought to trust and listen to. And why? because she decided even a nasty demon didn't deserve to be locked up like that.
You want to tell me this Annie is the same Annie than back then? It's the opposite of everything she's ever been.
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Post by aline on Apr 15, 2015 20:42:53 GMT
Maybe, though Tom could always do Gilltie Wood chapters from the perspective of Smith and Parley and not bring Annie in at all. Maybe short term but not long term. Annie's story is all about the barrier between the forest and the court. She'll be back there. For now though, the story will very likely be court centered for a while. There are still many mysteries to uncover there. I certainly think that undoing Anthony's rules is still not going to be easy - and doubt that Tom's going to conveniently reverse them by the end of the chapter (even if it would make doing further chapters easier). I don't think everything will be undone righ away. I also don't think that the rest of the story will unfold in the way Anthony hopes (whatever that is). Instead, something different and unexpected will happen and Tom will take us in new places to uncover yet other parts of the truth.
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Post by aline on Apr 15, 2015 19:58:11 GMT
People mentionned the blue dress having appeared in chapter 15, so I went back to read it. It's interesting because it's Annie's first summer at the Court, and she stays there alone. The moment the other students leave (end of chapter 14), she removes her make up and her shoes. Later, we see her running around in the corridors in that blue dress, again with bare feet and no make up. She comments of how similar GC feels to her previous home, Good Hope. She seems at ease then, happy and comfortable. Both shoes and make up show up again when Kat comes back (and not before).
It kinda confirms the link between those looks and her younger self / pre-GC life. Something else: Annie never mentionned what that make up means to her (she avoids the question when Kat asks). I don't think she wears it just because it's her mom's. It's also a shield of sorts. Maybe we'll learn a little about that.
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Post by aline on Apr 15, 2015 8:29:30 GMT
Anyway, Gillitie Wood is so central to the plot that I don't see Anthony's interdiction to hold for longer than a few chapters at most. So we'll see Coyote and Ysengrin again in 2016? It's hardly rare to have 2-3 chapters in a row not being about the forest. But no, I strongly believe we'll see them sooner than that. I doubt very much the loss of their medium, honorary citizen, and friend is going to happen without them paying a visit to discuss the matter.
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Post by aline on Apr 15, 2015 8:11:01 GMT
If she stops going to the forest she can't reunite the rabbit-boy and his fairy friend, can she? That could turn out to become a stage where Annie stops going to the forest because tree climbing is fun, and starts going there because she understands that she has a capital role to play, and no one else can do it. A step towards an Annie who is aware of her responsibilities towards both the Court and the Forest. Anyway, Gillitie Wood is so central to the plot that I don't see Anthony's interdiction to hold for longer than a few chapters at most.
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Post by aline on Apr 15, 2015 7:54:03 GMT
I've got to ask - why would a man like Anthony not just say "it's dangerous" if he meant "it's dangerous"?* We know little about Anthony but we do know he doesn't say what he thinks. However, I believe you're right here, and he mainly meant that the forest is a waste of time. A quote of Jones from that page: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=387"The Court sees them [the creatures of the forest] as little more than dull minded animals trying to create a nuisance" And more specifically about Tony: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=367When Annie says her mum never mentioned her work as a medium: Jones: "That was your father's influence, I suspect." Annie: "Yes, he never had patience for matters that didn't fall into a scientific category." That hints at some degree of contempt for the forest and its creatures from Anthony's part. It also hints that this is a rather normal point of view at the Court, and that it's people like Annie or Surma who are the exception.
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Post by aline on Apr 15, 2015 7:21:41 GMT
Well, Annie is proud to a fault, always pretending that everything is bloody fine and I don't need your help, thank you very much. And being best friends with someone who is quite possibly a genius only makes it worse, by contrast ("It's all so easy for her and I don't even understand the question!"). So yeah, I think it's a logical explanation for the cheating thing. Now if she can look beyond her shame of being found out, maybe she'll start thinking about some of the strange stuff about her dad, and we can go back to our mystery solving. Come on Kat, we're counting on you!
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Post by aline on Apr 15, 2015 7:09:02 GMT
One thing that is curious to me is that the court didn't want Antimony as the Forest Medium. There would be some benefit to her having the position as forest medium. She would be more friendly and fair to the court than Ysengrin, she isn't likely to do Ysengrin's seed attack for example. For the concerns about her getting closer to the forest, it wouldn't be that bad actually. Even if she get's closer to the forest she isn't going to be like Ysengrin levels of hatred towards the court.
The Court doesn't really need the forest people to be friendly to them. Also there is obviously a reason why they denied her the Court Medium role although she was the best candidate. Jones clearly believed that the headmaster was plotting something, and so did Coyote. Perhaps they needed to keep Annie away from the forest altogether, and were very unhappy to see this plan thwarted by Coyote. They might think that Coyote will try to trick her to use her against the Court They might think that she's poking around too much and would end up discovering something they don't want discovered They might have received instructions from our best friend Anthony that contact with the forest had to cease, himself having his own unknown reasons to want to keep her away from the place ("Changes" is two chapters after "Divine")
Just speculating.
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Post by aline on Apr 13, 2015 19:12:34 GMT
Can someone more chronologically aware tell me how much time has passed in-comic from the events of Divine to now? Somewhere around 10-9 months I guess, give or take a few months? Divine is during year 9, some time after the end of summer holidays, the kids already have their winter uniforms on but people don't seem to be too cold outside. So I'd pin it in autumn. Right now they are just beginning class so it should be late summer early autumn. He might have been planning his come back since then.
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Post by aline on Apr 13, 2015 18:45:47 GMT
Do we actually know that she was ever a good student? Her cheating started her first year there. And the only evidence we have of her doing well in a class on her own is that example you cite, which I assume is in history since they were discussing the origins of mythology. It's stated that she spent most of her time in the library before becoming friends with Kat. While that doesn't necessarily make her a good student, it does imply a reasonable work ethic, which she didn't really build on. Perhaps, this had something to do with the gradual erosion of Tony's influence on her. Perhaps it was due to constantly getting involved with shenanigans of one kind or another ever since. Perhaps she was just too easily distracted and refused to learn about things she didn't find interesting. We can't really tell due to the time compression that happens in things like webcomics, and not knowing enough details. When she meets Kat she starts going to the playground instead of the library. It would quite normal for a quiet kid who doesn't have friends to hide their loneliness in the library. Since meeting Kat (her second week at GC) library habits disappeared so we can assume it had indeed something to do with the lack of company.
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Post by aline on Apr 11, 2015 8:37:35 GMT
I disagree with this. I can't imagine a satisfying way for Tom NOT to "undo" it-- by "it," I mean Annie's breaking and loss of her fire (still metaphorical, at least I dearly hope so). (Though I'll explain below why I don't think getting Annie largely out of this situation is the same as undoing it.) I would find it supremely dissatisfying storytelling if the protagonist was mentally and emotionally decimated, broken,completely passive and having lost her agency... and then for her to stay that way while the narrative switches to the story of her best friend. I mean, Kat is definitely a character who could carry a story as the protagonist, I have no arguments there. And I could certainly see this scenario happening in the short-term, as long as a few chapters maybe. But unless you are writing a really, really depressing story, if you break your main character and grind her self-worth and agency into the ground, it's to tell the story of how she puts herself back together and faces the odds to win back her agency and her fire. I don't see Annie's journey of coming back from rock bottom to a place where she has initiative and can "take the lead" as undoing what's happened. It's the story of how Annie has a horrible experience that hits her where she is most vulnerable, and manages to overcome it. Good point. But I think it'll be a long time before Annie can get back to the level where she has the initiative again - and unless Tom's planning to skip ahead by anywhere from several months to a couple of years, someone else will have to take over the role of protagonist until Annie's capable of filling it. I might add that I didn't think that Annie would be over and done with forever. I just felt that she wouldn't be likely to play an active role for the next few chapters. I really doubt it'll take months, much less years. I expect the situation to be mostly resolved within this chapter.
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Post by aline on Apr 10, 2015 19:03:56 GMT
Hmmm, anything serious that could be said about this page must have been said in the former seven pages, I guess. So... What if Annie thought Kat was angry with her for copying her work and decided to go have her hair cut so she could make it stick up and then Kat would be friends with her again, but it wasn't short enough so after wasting three wole cans of mousse she gave up, decided to have a shower to forget about her horrible day, put on her usual (http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=308) pyjamas and started tidying up the dorm? You just made my day XD
I'm beginning to think that the first one who needs to help is Annie herself. She's got lots of friends, but what can they do against her own father if *she* won't resist him? No fight in you, Carver
She's got to wake up, and that means Kat does have some really important things to do. 1. Hug Annie 2. Shake her up 3. Find out what the hell this whole mess is all about 4. Shake Annie some more
While these pages are quite creepy, I'm looking forward to the part that comes next: a fighting and growing Annie. I just wish it'd come sooner ^^°
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Post by aline on Apr 10, 2015 7:37:28 GMT
She looks like the little girl she was in good hope. For a moment I thought she'd lost several years. It took me several seconds to realize she wasn't really younger, just dressed like she used to.
I hope now we can all finally drop the entire "child raising methods" discussion, and start discussing what the hell is going on there. Because it is very strange. It can't be all about Surma's death or getting a wild teenager in line. Plotting is ongoing. We just don't know which plot. We don't even know for sure whose plot. There might be someone else we don't know about pulling strings... not necessarily the headmaster.
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Post by aline on Apr 8, 2015 18:15:38 GMT
As for what Kat might do... if her parents won't help her then Eglamore probably will try and find a way to help even if he has to do so indirectly. Donny would at least try to talk to Tony. I'm not sure how much help the Donlans are going to be. While they never openly disapproved Annie going into the forest, they also didn't let their own daughter tag along. Clearly they don't think it's the ideal playground for a 14 years old. As for Reynardine, they were the ones who put him in a cell, and the only reason they didn't try to keep him from Annie was because they didn't want breaking her control over him. But if that control could just be transfered to someone else, would they have any objections? They might argue about some details like the dorms thing, but I don't see them confronting Anthony and denying him those decisions. About Eglamore, well, who knows. He probably understands more about the forest than others in the Court, and his relationship to Renard did change quite a bit other the years www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1232Also he hates Anthony. I believe he'll try to help. Does anyone else suspect that if Kat does decide to run across the bridge to let Coyote know herself, Eggers would escort her into the forest rather than sending her back to the Court? I really doubt he'd endanger his friends' daughter like that. Kat doesn't know anything about the forest and there are no gurantees that she would be welcome there. I think he'd rather go himself than let her do that.
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Post by aline on Apr 8, 2015 9:25:26 GMT
Because she is clearly SO angry I don't find it believable that she would sit in class all day before doing something about the Annie situation. She's not beyond breaking the rules for fun and curiosity let alone when her friend is in trouble. That's partly why I assumed she ran straight to the dorm when I read the strip (but then it doesn't make sense she called for Annie who wouldn't get there before Kat in this scenario). Thus a storytelling mistake one way or another. The only way to help with the situation would be to get support from another adult and you don't get that by starting to ditch classes. She didn't think Annie would be packing (she was obviously surprised) and possibly gone.
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Post by aline on Apr 8, 2015 8:31:41 GMT
Until coming to the forum I assumed Kat ran straight back home from the previous scene, in which case calling for Annie seemed odd (and the boxes being packed seemed like Anthony set it up while they were in class). There's nothing to say that isn't what happened I suppose, especially since Kat was enraged - did she do all classes then charge her anger again and run home? Well, she had to go to the next class, but she would have been boiling to get away and go to her friend.
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Post by aline on Apr 8, 2015 8:10:28 GMT
Hm, Annie also has a blinker stone and one of Egg's signal sticks. I hope those are still in her possession. Breaking the signal stick and leaving Tony and Jim to discuss good old times might actually be a nice diversion tactic
There is also the matter of Coyote's tooth. It should be somewhere with the rest of her stuff, and since only very few people know what it is, she should be able to keep it.
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Post by aline on Apr 7, 2015 14:02:57 GMT
I joined the forum just to vent, because I think Anthony is being a complete dick. But I guess I joined at a bad time? Anyway, hello. Well, if you're planning to get yourself in a brighter mood, a walk might be better.
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Post by aline on Apr 4, 2015 17:30:51 GMT
And no, aline, "breaking down the parenting statues" is NOT something every teenager has to do, especially not as young as Annie. Learn to work around, them, maybe, but only in the cases of outright neglect or abuse does a child need to free themselves of her parents, and Anthony is nowhere near that. I didn't mean it in the sense of cutting all ties with them. I meant it's the time where you stop idealizing your parents, learn they can be wrong and question their values and opinions. It's a time where you tend to make friends they don't like, try things they forbid you and generally start to find out what kind of adult you're going to be. As opposed to a child who does as told. She's 14. She's not at the age to move out yet, but she is at the age to distance herself from her parents values and political opinions. For example an opinion that her role as a forest medium is nonsense.
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Post by aline on Apr 4, 2015 0:26:58 GMT
Honestly, Annie's cheating always struck me as kinda... odd. Like, Annie's never been someone to strictly follow the rules, but while her motives for rule-breaking are occasionally selfish (re: back in the beginning when she sought out Reynardine to learn more about her mother), they're never out-right unethical or amoral. (I always remember that one gag page where Kat showed her Grand Theft Auto and how fun it was to steal and break things, and Annie was so disturbed she couldn't fall asleep that night.) Annie knew cheating was the wrong thing to do, which is why she hid it, even from Rey initially. The big unanswered question is why? Why didn't she seek out help? I get why she wouldn't trust any of the teachers outside of Jones, but Kat would've tutored her in a heartbeat. And outside of Kat, there is Andrew and Parley, who are friends and upperclassmen. I think there are two aspects to this. One is that Annie prefers to hide her weaknesses. She's not very big on asking people for help or admitting she can't manage on her own. Remember that one: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=291 (As if she couldn't have asked for the bloody picture. As if the Donlans wouldn't give it to her. Yeah, but if she did ask, she might look like she's having some kind of emotions, ya know. Like something totally unexpected such as missing her parents.) And this one: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=132 ("How are you?" "Oh, I was just thrown off a bridge, I'm about to spend the night on the border of dangerous forest and I'm wet and probably quite cold. I'M PERFECTLY FINE. Go away and don't help me.") Another aspect is that she'd just spent the summer alone waiting for her dad to call. So I guess there could be a "Who cares?" sentiment there.
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Post by aline on Apr 3, 2015 21:54:47 GMT
That was my thought until I joined the forums. I just assumed it was a metaphor for her being psychologically trapped by the very thought of her father. I didn't think it was at all literal or that Anthony himself was doing anything to her directly until I came to the forums here. I still think that's the most likely interpretation: Antimony's just psychologically screwed up because of her father, and that chapter is showing us that fact. Zimmy didn't talk about it like there was anything metaphorical about it ("I can't see where he is, but I can try to stop whatever he's doing"). She knew the difference with earlier when Annie was dreaming / remembering stuff. She was convinced he was actively putting her in that state. That chapter also happened right after "Microsat 5" where Anthony gave a call to request medical supplies. Those scalpels weren't metaphorical at all.
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Post by aline on Apr 3, 2015 20:54:52 GMT
That you seriously propose this as an alternative to her being Anthony's daughter is very, very telling. After all, Ysengrin physically attacked her. But he's been more of a father to her than anyone else in the cast, even more than Reynardine, who has been more like a mother than anyone else, if you ask me. To be frank, Ysengrin has yet to put her into a coma. Let alone the whole mad science bone lasers thing that came packaged with that. Yeah, well, he did try to kill her. Twice.
But he promised not to do it again.
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Post by aline on Apr 3, 2015 19:38:11 GMT
I still think this could be a future vision, or a type of dream that tackles all of Annie's weaknesses. I would be quite disappointed if it ended up being something like that. It would be a very anticlimatic and cheap resolution for this situation. It'll be a lot more interesting to see Annie oppose her father. So far she's been completely unimpressed by anyone she's met. She slapped Coyote, hugged Ysengrin, sent Renard to the naughty zone, scowled at the Guides, opposed the Donlans and Eglamore on the matter or Renard's ownership... she's been composed and firm in almost every situation. Just not with her father. But he had the advantage of surprise. In the story, barely an hour passed since he's been standing in front of her, and he's used every trick in the book to make her loose her footing. She will find some way to fight back eventually. And it will be a big step towards independance and adulthood.
Everyone has got to do that as a teenager, break down the big parenting statues in their mind and move on to become an adult.
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