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Post by saardvark on Oct 19, 2017 3:49:59 GMT
Call me an idiot... But I just noticed that Annie has not worn makeup a SINGLE TIME since Tony came back, ... Aaaaand we just found out Tony finds make-up sexy, so of course he wouldn't want his daughter to wear it! especially since his daughter *is* half Surma, since she carries the elemental.... indeed, the perhaps the fiery, impulsive, most exciting part of Surma still lives in his daughter... that has gotta be pretty weird for Tony. (tip of the hat to Clover, who said it first, I believe) |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 21, 2017 2:27:19 GMT
Not found while rereading this comic but rereading something else, with minuscule bearing on a previous chapter and discussion of the comic: I knew about fowling arrows, I knew about arrows with crescent-shaped points for cutting rope, but didn't know about Commodus' ostrich-decapitating arrow. That would be heavier than the rope-cutter and probably more like what Diego made to do in Mr. Green.
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 24, 2017 6:02:40 GMT
Not found while rereading this comic but rereading something else, with minuscule bearing on a previous chapter and discussion of the comic: I knew about fowling arrows, I knew about arrows with crescent-shaped points for cutting rope, but didn't know about Commodus' ostrich-decapitating arrow. That would be heavier than the rope-cutter and probably more like what Diego made to do in Mr. Green.
From now on, I will never be able to think of the Device as anything other than, "Diego's ostrich-decapitating arrow". Thanks, imaginaryfriend. |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 24, 2017 13:00:18 GMT
Not found while rereading this comic but rereading something else, with minuscule bearing on a previous chapter and discussion of the comic: I knew about fowling arrows, I knew about arrows with crescent-shaped points for cutting rope, but didn't know about Commodus' ostrich-decapitating arrow. That would be heavier than the rope-cutter and probably more like what Diego made to do in Mr. Green.
From now on, I will never be able to think of the Device as anything other than, "Diego's ostrich-decapitating arrow". Thanks, imaginaryfriend. "Diego's ostrich-decapitating arrow" sounds like a magic spell from a D&D parody. |
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Post by faiiry on Oct 31, 2017 1:20:46 GMT
Not sure if this belongs here exactly, but I never realized the full extent to which the comic is inspired by Kate Rusby. I'm sure this has been discussed before somewhere, but I'm only realizing just now. Like 50% of the characters' names match with songs she has written.
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Post by spritznar on Oct 31, 2017 2:21:59 GMT
Not sure if this belongs here exactly, but I never realized the full extent to which the comic is inspired by Kate Rusby. I'm sure this has been discussed before somewhere, but I'm only realizing just now. Like 50% of the characters' names match with songs she has written. i do remember reading some mention of that in the music thread. and i think i remember there being an interview or q&a discussing accents and he said annie would sound kind of like her?? someone help me out here, does anyone else remember that? edit: welp, that was easier to find than i expected... edit edit: that was the one i was thinking of about how annie sounds, but there are mentions scattered across the forum |
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Post by najmniejszy on Nov 9, 2017 19:42:00 GMT
It may have been pointed out before, but I noticed that in spite of her invulnerability to the ether, in chapter 23 Jones is teleported by Parley alongside everyone. Explains why she doesn't call it teleportation, but space distortion - had it been teleportation, Jones wouldn't be teleported, which led her to the conclusion that it was the space arunt them that was distorted instead. Clever wording, however one that poses a few more questions - Will we see other uses of such power, if there's more to it than teleportation? Is it space distortion at all, or maybe teleportation and we've seen Jones to not be so immune to the ether after all?
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 10, 2017 1:05:55 GMT
It may have been pointed out before, but I noticed that in spite of her invulnerability to the ether, in chapter 23 Jones is teleported by Parley alongside everyone. Explains why she doesn't call it teleportation, but space distortion - had it been teleportation, Jones wouldn't be teleported, which led her to the conclusion that it was the space arunt them that was distorted instead. Clever wording, however one that poses a few more questions - Will we see other uses of such power, if there's more to it than teleportation? Is it space distortion at all, or maybe teleportation and we've seen Jones to not be so immune to the ether after all? I don't think Jones is invulnerable to the ether, exactly: she just says she has no particular connection to it. The whole "stone" analogy she likes to use holds up pretty well here: stones aren't particularly magical, but you can still use magic to affect it. Also, I honestly never thought of "teleportation" as a different thing from "space distortion". Care to explain a little more what definition you're using there? |
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Post by najmniejszy on Nov 10, 2017 12:41:12 GMT
Well, teleportation would be transporting the thing that changes places, while space distortion would be distorting space in such a way that the thing ends up elsewhere - same outcome, different means. However the means are relevant when, as I pointed out, Jones might be immune to one of them - she might not be teleportable, but when it's the space arund her that is distorted, she can still appear to teleport, which is, in my eyes, the probable reason for her insisten terminology (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsistentTerminology) of calling Parley's ability space distortion.
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 11, 2017 17:49:11 GMT
Or maybe teleportation sounds too much like it's magic - but we know that the Court does not believe in "magic".
Also, even if Jones is cold and grey in the Ether like lifeless objects, Parley transported other such such objects with her, like their clothes, the flowers or the box of chocolates.
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Post by Druplesnubb on Nov 13, 2017 9:40:00 GMT
It may have been pointed out before, but I noticed that in spite of her invulnerability to the ether, in chapter 23 Jones is teleported by Parley alongside everyone. Explains why she doesn't call it teleportation, but space distortion - had it been teleportation, Jones wouldn't be teleported, which led her to the conclusion that it was the space arunt them that was distorted instead. Clever wording, however one that poses a few more questions - Will we see other uses of such power, if there's more to it than teleportation? Is it space distortion at all, or maybe teleportation and we've seen Jones to not be so immune to the ether after all? How exactly does invulnerability make you unable to be teleported? |
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Post by speedwell on Nov 13, 2017 11:55:38 GMT
It may have been pointed out before, but I noticed that in spite of her invulnerability to the ether, in chapter 23 Jones is teleported by Parley alongside everyone. Explains why she doesn't call it teleportation, but space distortion - had it been teleportation, Jones wouldn't be teleported, which led her to the conclusion that it was the space arunt them that was distorted instead. Clever wording, however one that poses a few more questions - Will we see other uses of such power, if there's more to it than teleportation? Is it space distortion at all, or maybe teleportation and we've seen Jones to not be so immune to the ether after all? How exactly does invulnerability make you unable to be teleported? There's a school of thought among people who think about such things that teleportation's mechanism must operate by way of destruction/recreation instead of transportation. It reminds me of the joke about someone stealing everything in your house and replacing it with exact duplicates. But actually najmniejszy said "invulnerability to the ether", by which I think he means something more like immunity to ether's effects. I think the train of thought is something like, "Jones appears to be ignored by the ether, as we see by the fact that she's greyed out when we're seeing things from the etheric point of view. Therefore she would be subject to etheric manipulation only by means of manipulating her context. If Jones was in a closed box, we could manipulate the box, but we couldn't reach in and remove her from the box." I think Jones exists for the same reason Coyote exists; that is, because the ether's influence exists before the ether itself does. The ether created Jones out of mythology, in other words. We may be in a "can God create something he can't lift" situation here, but in this case "can the ether create something it can't influence", a somewhat easier problem. I answer it with "no", because I think the ether can only produce things out of itself, but others may make a case for "yes". I could myself, based primarily on Gödel's incompleteness theorem, but then I don't think it adheres to the "known facts" as closely. |
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Post by yinglung on Nov 13, 2017 14:17:35 GMT
I was reading discussion on another site, and someone brought up slug coloration and the color of Surma and Tony's shirts:  Just thought that was interesting. |
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Post by zaferion on Nov 15, 2017 15:47:17 GMT
I just noticed that in the 6th treatise, Kat has the Shadow Men's emblem on her outfit. The foreshadowing |
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 16, 2017 6:17:26 GMT
Ale and Wenches doesn't distinguish between lowercase and uppercase letters, save for a few only one. That one is I. Keeping that in mind, page 1907:  this is quite recent, but I'd rather not bump that thread for probably obvious reasons
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 18, 2017 21:28:56 GMT
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Post by speedwell on Nov 21, 2017 8:20:55 GMT
After much time trying to decide what relation the version number of Arthur the Robot had to the age of Juliette, I realised there basically isn't one, except for the fact that they both increase at roughly the same average rate.
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Post by blazingstar on Dec 19, 2017 20:49:52 GMT
On a re-read of Microsat 5. This entire time, when Donald says "you have to understand, he was a completely different person when you got to know him", I had thought he meant something like, "by the time YOU got to know him, Annie".
Now, with the recent revelations about Tony's personality, I realized he meant "he was a completely different person once you became very close to him". Now I can't believe I misunderstood that simple phrase for so long. We still don't know why his own daughter doesn't count as "a person Tony is close to". Attachments:
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Post by fish on Dec 21, 2017 15:43:56 GMT
On a re-read of Microsat 5. This entire time, when Donald says "you have to understand, he was a completely different person when you got to know him", I had thought he meant something like, "by the time YOU got to know him, Annie".
Now, with the recent revelations about Tony's personality, I realized he meant "he was a completely different person once you became very close to him". Now I can't believe I misunderstood that simple phrase for so long. We still don't know why his own daughter doesn't count as "a person Tony is close to". My mind is blown, I had read it the same all this time. I thought I was missing some part of the conversation, haha. |
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Post by Runningflame on Dec 22, 2017 7:16:12 GMT
I only realized after reading the old page threads that this guy is the same person as this guy (and this guy). Never occurred to me that Mort's "case worker" would be the same guy who brought him to the ROTD in the first place... |
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Post by jda on Jan 8, 2018 16:24:40 GMT
In this page, the robots are actually saying "blah, blah" in binary.  |
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Post by bgb16999 on Jan 15, 2018 2:16:05 GMT
I only realized after reading the old page threads that this guy is the same person as this guy (and this guy). Never occurred to me that Mort's "case worker" would be the same guy who brought him to the ROTD in the first place... Huh, I had completely missed that one too. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Feb 21, 2018 18:05:24 GMT
Can't pretend I only noticed this on re-read, that would be silly, but before the present chapter ( 66: Memories of the Worthless) I never paid much mind to Ysengrin telling that he hates Coyote in the same occasion where he tells Annie that he struggles to control his anger. We were very much warned about this 13 chapters ago. Tom really did whole a lot of planning at some point (I recall he told about it too, when he really figured out what his story was all about, it was a long time ago). |
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Post by jombra on Feb 25, 2018 17:09:27 GMT
This might be jumping the gun, but if my current suspicions about the current events are correct and Annie was the spanner in the works against Coyote's plans with Ysengrin, this was possibly foreshadowed as far back as Chapter 44? That's the chapter where Annie brings up Ysengrin's behaviour and Ysengrin becomes a bit more aware that he's missing memories, but also notice the dandelion on the cover page of the chapter, and how Annie scatters dandelion seeds on her way in to the forest. The memories Coyote has been taking are represented by small white orbs, similar to dandelion seeds. |
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Post by smash on Mar 5, 2018 15:57:37 GMT
www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=492Last panel Annie is looking at her own reflection; she is one the opposite--an inhabitant of the court descended from a no-human. (How do you do those hyperlinks where it links from the number to the page number? New user here)
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Post by blazingstar on Mar 5, 2018 18:07:45 GMT
www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=492Last panel Annie is looking at her own reflection; she is one the opposite--an inhabitant of the court descended from a no-human. (How do you do those hyperlinks where it links from the number to the page number? New user here) Hi! Welcome! Hyperlinks can be made by highlighting your text and clicking the "link" button in the post creation box, which looks like a globe with a piece of paper next to it. Copy your link where it says "url". Good catch of possible symbolism there. Tom is a HEAVY user of symbolism, and I admit I don't quite get all of it. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 12, 2018 4:44:16 GMT
Re-reading this page made me just realize that when Shadow2 is " cut from the floor" it's not some kind of magical metaphorical thing - he's always had a body, and Coyote's Tooth just detached from the floor, forcing it to grow into a more 3-dimensional shape. |
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Post by jda on Mar 13, 2018 17:40:32 GMT
On the first panel on this page gunnerkrigg.com/?p=496, what is the alchemical symbol on the foreheads of the "taken" bodies? I assume is the symbol for Coyote, since he is telling Annie about how he is able to take any body with eyes and leave it unharmed. |
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Post by Runningflame on Mar 13, 2018 18:15:50 GMT
On the first panel on this page gunnerkrigg.com/?p=496, what is the alchemical symbol on the foreheads of the "taken" bodies? I assume is the symbol for Coyote, since he is telling Annie about how he is able to take any body with eyes and leave it unharmed. Looks the same as Renard's symbol. I don't know if that means 1) the animals on 496 are all animals Renard tried to possess, 2) Renard and Coyote have the same symbol, or 3) that symbol is connected with the possession ability. Number 1 seems to be contradicted by Tom's comment about Coyotagoat and the Coyote-themed blue and red eye circles of the animals. Number 3 is somewhat plausible, given that Renard's symbol now depends on who owns his body, showing that one's symbol can change depending on circumstances. Number 2... hmm. (What I just noticed on rereading that page: the two sad bunnies in the upper right corner. Aww...) |
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Post by blazingstar on Mar 13, 2018 18:16:54 GMT
On the first panel on this page gunnerkrigg.com/?p=496, what is the alchemical symbol on the foreheads of the "taken" bodies? I assume is the symbol for Coyote, since he is telling Annie about how he is able to take any body with eyes and leave it unharmed. That's a good question. I think it's Renard's, though, as shown a few pages later and with Sivo. EDIT: We need a thread keeping track of all the alchemical symbols and what they mean. It could also help interpreting the treatise pages. |
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