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Post by Per on Jan 12, 2024 23:34:34 GMT
You should check out Dresden Codak, I started reading arounf the same time I found GC. Senna Diaz keeps updating it to this day, and her art levels in the current arc are reaching epic levels. She updates way less regularly than GC tho. If you've never read it, it's worth checking at least from the point Diaz started crafting story arcs, like "Hob" and the ongoing "Dark Science". Interestingly I would give the opposite recommendation on DC: absolutely check out the one-shots, but be wary of the serials. Hob was a bit disappointing at the time given how hyped DC was after the single-page comics, but in hindsight it was readable. The risk is that by reading it you're tempted to continue with Dark Science, which very quickly descends into a long spiral of Mary Sue wank where whatever world building manages to stay consistent and relevant is just there for an unending procession of allies and villains to throw themselves at the main character to let her know how amazing they can't help thinking she is. Diaz has his (her?) strengths, but the intersection between plot and characterization does not seem to be among them. I started reading Vattu many years ago now and remember liking the first act, but for some reason could never get through the second. |
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Post by Hatredman on Jan 13, 2024 16:44:41 GMT
You should check out Dresden Codak Kat, is that you?   |
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Post by Hatredman on Jan 13, 2024 16:49:04 GMT
She is even carrying Shadow2 inside the bag:  |
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Post by Hatredman on Jan 13, 2024 16:52:51 GMT
And here she is with Annie (and an unknown bloke. Her cousin, maybe?). Even the dialogue makes sense in the GC context!  |
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Post by Hatredman on Jan 13, 2024 16:57:39 GMT
See the choice of colors for the talk baloons on both comics. A match!  |
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Post by hp on Jan 13, 2024 18:47:39 GMT
You should check out Dresden Codak, I started reading arounf the same time I found GC. Senna Diaz keeps updating it to this day, and her art levels in the current arc are reaching epic levels. She updates way less regularly than GC tho. If you've never read it, it's worth checking at least from the point Diaz started crafting story arcs, like "Hob" and the ongoing "Dark Science". Interestingly I would give the opposite recommendation on DC: absolutely check out the one-shots, but be wary of the serials. Hob was a bit disappointing at the time given how hyped DC was after the single-page comics, but in hindsight it was readable. The risk is that by reading it you're tempted to continue with Dark Science, which very quickly descends into a long spiral of Mary Sue wank where whatever world building manages to stay consistent and relevant is just there for an unending procession of allies and villains to throw themselves at the main character to let her know how amazing they can't help thinking she is. Diaz has his (her?) strengths, but the intersection between plot and characterization does not seem to be among them. I started reading Vattu many years ago now and remember liking the first act, but for some reason could never get through the second. Hob is interesting but feels more "loose" in the sense the surreal tidbits seem to just be added as random quirks to make quick humour. As for Dark Science, it surely has some annoying Mary Sue vibes as you point... It *is* a "chosen one" kinda story after all. And the plot is also reeeeeeally slow cooking (maybe b/c Diaz sometimes takes long to update).
But it has an impressive and fleshed out worldbuilding which takes central place in the narrative, and the themes of bureaucracy, ideology, class and forced scarcity are pretty interesting.
I wish I could have a framed print of #09, "Insufficient Credibility":
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Post by hp on Jan 13, 2024 19:06:21 GMT
Interestingly I would give the opposite recommendation on DC: absolutely check out the one-shots, but be wary of the serials. (also, the point was not saying he should avoid the one-shots, which I like. What I meant was more like.... If he started reading DC from the beginning and decided he didn't vibe with the kind of comic it used to be, to let him know that after a while it adopted the kind of comic structure more familiar to Gunnerkrigg readers) Some other online comics I do love: - XKCD (of course...) - Vattu (this is beautiful!) - Kill 6 Billion Demons (intense!) - Wormworld Saga (oh, the sceneries...) Nedroid is good too (and they invented the blue tall bird/ short brown mammal duo before Regular Show, lmao): |
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Post by gpvos on Jan 13, 2024 21:03:03 GMT
I wish I could have a framed print of #09, "Insufficient Credibility": That comic was absolutely a high point. My main issue with Dark Science is that due to the large time between updates I lose track of the characters, of which there are already too many that are too similar. And also I'm not really into transhumanism. Anyway, thanks for the comic tips. I was in need of a few new ones now Schlock Mercenary and some other ones have ended (and Sinfest became unreadable). Vattu looks promising. I assume everyone here is already reading Girl Genius and Freefall. |
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Post by hp on Jan 13, 2024 21:52:54 GMT
That comic was absolutely a high point. That line "that conflicts with a recent study" gets me every time lmao True! I sometimes have to stop and do a re-read to remember what's happening. But since it's been less than 200 pages (busy pages tho), it's not a fortnight-long endeavour such as Gunnerkrigg lmao The updates have sped up in the last couple years tho. There was a time you had like, 2 or 3 pages the whole year. If I recall correctly Diaz said she was dealing with depression at that time. It's still slower than most nowadays, but last year she managed to keep an average of 1 pg/mo, with some stints going up to 2 or 3 pages/month. As for Girl Genius, it took me a decade to start reading it because the art used to put me off. Then last year I decided to give it another try and read the whole thing in some weeks lmao. It's one of the best I've ever read Now I'm waiting to read more pages in each go
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Post by hp on Jan 13, 2024 23:24:09 GMT
Also, there's another favorite I recommend, Oglaf (not safe for work): oglaf.comIf you dig NSFW webcomics, then check out:
"I Roved Out in Search of Truth and Love" — fantasy smut, which the author describes as "a cross between Oglaf and Dark Souls"
"Lovelyss" — sci-fi smut
"Lovesick" — sci-fi smut, prequel to the former
All long form and by Alexis Flower, whose artwork is impressive to say the least.
She used to sign with the pen name Rupert Everton until a couple years ago, so maybe the sci-fi ones are easier to find with that pseudonym (I say that because I think the website for Lovesyck is down, but the comic is also available in some 3rd party sites)
You can also check "Alfie", by InCase. It's another long-form fantasy comic with gorgeous art.
The syle of those comics is less cartoony than Oglaf (which makes them even more NSFW), but man, can they draw.
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I just remembered I also used to follow "The Meek" by Der-shing Helmer. It's also fantasy, not p0rn like the above ones, but it has some NSFWish pages now and then. Haven't read it in a while, It seems she went on hiatus on this one but there are 5 chapters available. I need to catch up with that one
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Post by Per on Jan 13, 2024 23:53:12 GMT
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Post by Hatredman on Jan 14, 2024 4:10:28 GMT
Yes. Yes, we should. Very sorry for that. |
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Post by Hatredman on Jan 21, 2024 22:12:36 GMT
Rereading, two more things I did not notice before: 1. When Loup attacks Coyote after he ate Lana, he is Ysengrin-ish and not a proper Loup [2816]. Observe that he does not have that etheric black ear, just his regular missing ear - so he's more Ysengrin than Coyote, and even so more Ysengrin than Loup. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=28162. The souls of the New People have Bismuth hearts [2825]. It is pretty obvious in them, and it surely has been a topic of discussion here in the forum, but I myself noticed it just now. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2825 |
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Post by Eversist on Mar 1, 2024 20:40:27 GMT
Rereading some stuff. I'm sure someone has mentioned this interpretation, but if not... www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2554Jerrick/Loup's mention of "something to do with pipes I think." Pulling a quote from another thread (I think this was the last time someone mentioned the pipes thing, forgive me ImaginaryFriend): The funny thing about god-tier powers is that they can do some wack stuff. If "Jerrek" was created to be a completely realistic disguise then "Jerrek" may not have been drawing on "Loup"/Ysengrin's understanding/recollection of what robots did to spout the "pipes" misdirection. Might have just been the ether making it so, albeit vaguely. Wouldn't surprise me if Coyote could've disguised himself so thoroughly that Robot actually would have remembered him (or thought he did, or the machine analog of same) without Coyote bothering to manually change his memories or even knowing who Robot was at the time the disguise was done. Initially we all thought it was the robot that we saw Robot converting over to a New Person (that we now know was Sam), but should the interpretation now be that this was more of foreshadowing of him being Loup/reference to managing the forest? www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2030www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2483 |
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 18, 2024 10:19:13 GMT
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Post by Hatredman on Apr 6, 2024 2:58:11 GMT
Oh my Jones, the treatise again: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1452On the foot of the tree, Mort's helmet. I never noticed it. Bittersweet. I think I'll have to print and frame this one.  |
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Post by Runningflame on Apr 6, 2024 5:19:55 GMT
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Post by bedinsis on Apr 6, 2024 6:27:35 GMT
I'm starting to notice a running theme in this comic of powerful entities' plans going astray.
We have Coyote planning for Loup to fall in love with Annie, but then Lana showed up.
We have Robot* planning to be the first of the New People to die, but then the bald guy met Annie's memories of Jeanne.
We have the... uh, timeline itself planning for Annie to die, but then the Tik-Toks intervened.
*who might not be considered powerful yet but he cast himself in the role of the Lucifer among Robots.
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Post by phantaskippy on Apr 18, 2024 2:58:39 GMT
2. There is a cross in the background, maybe symbolizing robot martyrdom. If Kat is a God, there must be a Savior Martyr, right? Even more strikingly, the cross appears to be a silhouette of a person standing with their arms outstretched. I believe there has been speculation that it might be Robot. He would certainly be glad to take up the role of martyr. I love that specific one, the Zeta, Gamma, Iota triangle fascinates me, especially the placement of Zeta with Zimmy openly being called Zeta. Who is Iota? And with Zimmy at the intersection of branches that lead to gold and the fire elemental symbol, and closest to Bismuth. . . Crazy how much he put into those and how long they still remain mysterious. |
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Post by pyradonis on May 2, 2024 15:18:42 GMT
While three pages earlier, Diego is seen peeking out from behind Sir Young and the person in the military uniform whom I presume to be the Artilleryman [edit]Formspring confirms it's him[/edit]. |
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Post by blahzor on May 2, 2024 22:48:01 GMT
While three pages earlier, Diego is seen peeking out from behind Sir Young and the person in the military uniform whom I presume to be the Artilleryman [edit]Formspring confirms it's him[/edit]. Jones saying "credited with" creation of the original robots makes me believe he didn't make them just got credit so there's still a chance Kat made them originally and Diego knows alot about them. Through notes or something |
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Post by TBeholder on May 3, 2024 20:07:24 GMT
Jones saying "credited with" creation of the original robots makes me believe he didn't make them just got credit so there's still a chance Kat made them originally and Diego knows alot about them. Through notes or something Why? This may mean he was standing on the shoulders of giants. Or more likely simply that she did not see herself, thus refers to it as hearsay rather than fact (maybe just to be accurate, or maybe considering that the history of the Court is less than transparent). |
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Post by blahzor on May 4, 2024 0:19:11 GMT
it's like she was told he did it, she has been around all of earth's existence but wasn't there to prve otherwise and she doesn't have the thought to persue the truth
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Post by Hatredman on May 4, 2024 15:20:10 GMT
it's like she was told he did it, she has been around all of earth's existence but wasn't there to prve otherwise and she doesn't have the thought to persue the truth Exactly. She clearly stated in "The Medium Beginning" that the story of Jeanne, Diego and the creation of the Court was before her arrival. When she discovered the Court, Robots were already a thing. It has also been established that the Golems built the first robots. EDIT: oh, you were talking about the Golems - "original robots" in my mind were the first generation models created by the Golems. |
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Post by Hatredman on May 4, 2024 15:30:44 GMT
Oh, my god. Ionnes! Jones! |
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Post by Corvo on May 6, 2024 3:14:48 GMT
Not sure if someone's made this parallel already, but I just thought it was nice, with the moments when you realize you have free will and all that. They're pages 11 and 1110 too, so that's cool I guess.  ...so yeah, the moral is Jones is totally a robot. |
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Post by bedinsis on Jun 7, 2024 5:30:06 GMT
I only today noticed that Matt, Annie's classmate, could be seen talking with a blonde girl in the background of this page. I suspect the blonde girl is the same girl as the one on this page (whom I've been told is called Becky Ground, but I don't know if that is an official designation). |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 7, 2024 7:03:08 GMT
I only today noticed that Matt, Annie's classmate, could be seen talking with a blonde girl in the background of this page. I suspect the blonde girl is the same girl as the one on this page (whom I've been told is called Becky Ground, but I don't know if that is an official designation). It's a joke but an official one. It was formsprung as such an age ago, but if her name actually needs to appear in the comic (or the credits of an animated show someday) I don't know if it'll be binding. |
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Post by Hatredman on Jun 12, 2024 11:15:18 GMT
This has been speculated before (by many, including me) but on reread I'm thinking it is more canon than speculative. We know that the mechanical bull that S1 fights is a representation of Sir Young. This has been established in universe. But the idea that S1 (and all Seraphs for that matter) are Diego has been treated (by us, in this forum) as mere speculation. On reread (I've done it more than 10 times now) I am convinced that this is more canon than we think. See, in [583] during the simulation, when Jones shows the foundation of the court to the three mediums-in-training, the page shows Sir Young and the Bull, and we are led to believe that the Bull represents Young. In the same page, Diego is shown with S1, but we somewhat infer that's "Diego and his creation" and not that S1 represents (or is) Diego. Now I think that this is a statement that S1/S13 is really and physically Diego. Later on the comic, all court robots repeat "She died and we did nothing", and again I was led to believe that this is some standard programming in all of them. Re-reading, I'm convinced now that it is a result of Diego's preaching through S13's mouth. The very fact that S1 fought the Bull now makes me believe that he is Diego, not a robot servant doing what master Diego told it to. If we find out that the blue chip over S13's processor is indeed Diego's mind, I'd like my cookies with cold milk, please. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=583 |
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Post by Per on Jun 12, 2024 11:41:25 GMT
This is the "things I noticed" thread, though.
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