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Post by blazingstar on Mar 13, 2018 18:29:13 GMT
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Post by Runningflame on Mar 13, 2018 18:35:55 GMT
EDIT: We need a thread keeping track of all the alchemical symbols and what they mean. It could also help interpreting the treatise pages. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 13, 2018 20:10:06 GMT
Wow, good catch! It seems such an obvious question to ask now, but somehow I never thought about it all until now! *goes back to reread* Yeah, in retrospect the interactions in that scene between Mort and Jones seem like an...awkwardly formal, but definitely long-standing relationship to me. They probably met a while after Jones came to the Court. In fact, since she had a perfect memory, she probably remembered that the kid she recommended to the ROTD and went looking for him around the school so that she could use him for just this sort of purpose. I imagine Mort would have been REALLY confused to see her there, but strategic social manipulation is kind of Jones' thing, so it wouldn't be that hard to put him (mostly) at ease. Heh. I'll bet that if the kids had ever asked him what he thought about Jones("is she a robot?"), his reaction would have been all like, "She's super powerful & important or something I guess? I know she can get hit by bombs and not even get scratched. She's actually really nice in a cold, creepy, mysterious way, but I don't know what she really is and I don't want to. Can we talk about something else?" |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 14, 2018 11:51:52 GMT
On the first panel on this page gunnerkrigg.com/?p=496, what is the alchemical symbol on the foreheads of the "taken" bodies? I assume is the symbol for Coyote, since he is telling Annie about how he is able to take any body with eyes and leave it unharmed. It doesnt seem to be a common symbol - it is sometimes used as a secondary symbol for mercury. Perhaps appropriate for the slippery, flashy, literally mercurial Coyote.... or the *ability* to change/slip into something else = possession. Blazingstar notes it is used by Renard as well... its in Coyotes eye when he gives the possession ability to Renard (who now has it). So Im leaning towards it implying the possession power in use. |
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 14, 2018 15:53:49 GMT
On the first panel on this page gunnerkrigg.com/?p=496, what is the alchemical symbol on the foreheads of the "taken" bodies? I assume is the symbol for Coyote, since he is telling Annie about how he is able to take any body with eyes and leave it unharmed. That's a good question. I think it's Renard's, though, as shown a few pages later and with Sivo. EDIT: We need a thread keeping track of all the alchemical symbols and what they mean. It could also help interpreting the treatise pages. There's this: gunnerkrigg.wikia.com/wiki/SymbolsI'm not sure, but I think it's halfway up to date. At least all the treatises so far are explained. |
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Post by philman on Mar 14, 2018 16:07:16 GMT
On the first panel on this page gunnerkrigg.com/?p=496, what is the alchemical symbol on the foreheads of the "taken" bodies? I assume is the symbol for Coyote, since he is telling Annie about how he is able to take any body with eyes and leave it unharmed. It doesnt seem to be a common symbol - it is sometimes used as a secondary symbol for mercury. Perhaps appropriate for the slippery, flashy, literally mercurial Coyote.... or the *ability* to change/slip into something else = possession. Blazingstar notes it is used by Renard as well... its in Coyotes eye when he gives the possession ability to Renard (who now has it). So Im leaning towards it implying the possession power in use. Mercury is Renard's symbol, the chapter Quicksilver (an old name for mercury) is all about Renard and Hetty. Although thinking about it it could just be about the possession power again as they are both trapped in other bodies. |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 14, 2018 18:23:04 GMT
EDIT: We need a thread keeping track of all the alchemical symbols and what they mean. It could also help interpreting the treatise pages. and treatise pages. |
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Post by Runningflame on Mar 15, 2018 4:25:11 GMT
Annie's apology letter to Mort is pretty flirtatious. Not only does it have a heart on it (and another one inside)--she addresses him as "Dearest, Mort," with a comma in between "dearest" and "Mort." That's not just a standard salutation; she's calling him her "Dearest." Commas matter.
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 15, 2018 5:01:15 GMT
I always used to wonder why the hell the schoolteachers & teenage students the ones who are made Court Protector and Medium and representative to the Forest and all that. I mean, these are really important jobs, shouldn't they have a whole department for this?? Then I finally remembered that the Court doesn't consider it an important job at all, because the Forest creatures are just annoying, dull minded animals. So, they must have just offloaded all the least important jobs on the teachers & students. No wonder the Headmaster looks so bored; he signed up to run a school, not sit in a big fancy throne and listen to men in outdated armor argue with magic dog creatures. |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 15, 2018 12:42:29 GMT
It doesnt seem to be a common symbol - it is sometimes used as a secondary symbol for mercury. Perhaps appropriate for the slippery, flashy, literally mercurial Coyote.... or the *ability* to change/slip into something else = possession. Blazingstar notes it is used by Renard as well... its in Coyotes eye when he gives the possession ability to Renard (who now has it). So Im leaning towards it implying the possession power in use. Mercury is Renard's symbol, the chapter Quicksilver (an old name for mercury) is all about Renard and Hetty. Although thinking about it it could just be about the possession power again as they are both trapped in other bodies. yeah, the use of a secondary mercury symbol confused me for a minute, for exactly that reason - its Renard's - but if mercury in general is thought of a sign of possession as well, then maybe it all makes some sense. The mercury symbol is Renard's personal symbol (and implies possession ability), *and* is used for things possessed, or the possession power itself. Maybe. EDIT: and I see now that this has been discussed before on the alchemic symbol thread. ah, well, just reinvented the wheel... |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 15, 2018 13:00:55 GMT
I always used to wonder why the hell the schoolteachers & teenage students the ones who are made Court Protector and Medium and representative to the Forest and all that. I mean, these are really important jobs, shouldn't they have a whole department for this?? Then I finally remembered that the Court doesn't consider it an important job at all, because the Forest creatures are just annoying, dull minded animals. So, they must have just offloaded all the least important jobs on the teachers & students. No wonder the Headmaster looks so bored; he signed up to run a school, not sit in a big fancy throne and listen to men in outdated armor argue with magic dog creatures. the boredom could be partly feigned as a negotiation tactic... the headmaster pretends to be bored, showing contempt for the animals, irritating Ys and maybe trying to throw Coyote off his game. Ys falls for it, but Coyote is too sharp.... |
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Post by Corvo on Mar 19, 2018 12:51:15 GMT
It's probably been noted before, but I just realised it: the speech bubbles background color are white now! At least for some characters. Dunno for how long it's been like this.
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Post by keef on Mar 19, 2018 19:20:07 GMT
It's probably been noted before, but I just realised it: the speech bubbles background color are white now! At least for some characters. Dunno for how long it's been like this. I just recently cleaned the bubbles in "Totem" and noticed it's the first chapter where both Coyote's and Andrew's speech bubbles became white, Ysengrin follows in "Meetings" , Parley and Eglamore in "Big Day". (Tom occasionally forgets Annie's)The only coloured bubbles left are those of Annie, Kat, the robots, Shadow and Renard. (And maybe Jack, Zimmy and Gamma, they still had theirs in "Torn Sea", Jones still had hers in "See Ya!" All a long time ago.) |
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Post by blazingstar on Mar 20, 2018 15:27:49 GMT
When Shadow 2 was cut from the floor, how did the blade reach under him if the sharp edge landed DIRECTLY on his body? Did the tooth-blade turn between panels? Did it bounce and we didn't see it? Or *puts on wildspec foil hat* does that piece of Coyote recognize his shadow-children and know not to harm them? HOW did Shadow get cut from the floor? It's been really bugging me.  |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 20, 2018 16:40:33 GMT
When Shadow 2 was cut from the floor, how did the blade reach under him if the sharp edge landed DIRECTLY on his body? Did the tooth-blade turn between panels? Did it bounce and we didn't see it? Or *puts on wildspec foil hat* does that piece of Coyote recognize his shadow-children and know not to harm them? HOW did Shadow get cut from the floor? It's been really bugging me. I think you are exactly right!... here's a slightly wild-spec-y explanation... The blade doesn't land on his body - panel 2 is showing the blade in mid-air still falling - but lands just to one side (panel 3). Since it can cut anything, it goes right thru the floor, and the momentum of its falling pushes it to keep cutting. Meanwhile, with the front of the blade meeting (only slight) resistance (from the stone floor!), the back part keeps falling and the blade pivots, and cuz the blade goes thru the stone floor like butter, it cut-slides under Shadow (see long cut in panel 4). Then, when the grip hits the floor, the blade is levered up, out of the groove it cut, and lifts Shadow from the floor (somehow). All reasonable physics (for a near infinitely sharp giggle-blade!) so far, except maybe the prying-up-Shadow bit at the end. But here is where you hit on a very interesting insight... The blade that can cut anything gently lifts Shadow from the floor and does not cut him, giggling as it does so. It should cut him, but it does not... by choice. My little wild spec on this is that the tooth is part of Coyote, and he also imparted some of his sentience into it (the hint is the blade giggling while it lifts Shadow). Coyote apparently does not want to harm his shadow-people and so the giggle-blade will not cut them. Maybe he thought it would be fun to make a 3-D shadow? (removing foil hat now...) |
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Post by warrl on Mar 22, 2018 2:33:05 GMT
You can't cut a shadow with a blade. You can only cut one with light.
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Post by blazingstar on Mar 22, 2018 15:11:55 GMT
You can't cut a shadow with a blade. You can only cut one with light. The shadow-children are no ordinary shadows! Shadow 2, at least, has mass. Therefore he can be cut. And if he couldn't be cut, his body would have STOPPED the blade, not gone AROUND it. |
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Post by jda on Apr 3, 2018 15:51:37 GMT
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Post by jda on Apr 5, 2018 16:27:47 GMT
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Post by dramastix on Apr 5, 2018 17:00:17 GMT
I believe Tom addressed that in his retrospective video, but basically it was a plot line he was thinking of adding early on, but eventually abandoned. No plans at this time to do anything with them. |
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Post by jda on Apr 5, 2018 18:15:34 GMT
I believe Tom addressed that in his retrospective video, but basically it was a plot line he was thinking of adding early on, but eventually abandoned. No plans at this time to do anything with them. Oh gee, Id got to listen them all again Thank you |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 18:28:07 GMT
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Post by keef on Apr 5, 2018 23:40:14 GMT
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Post by saardvark on Apr 6, 2018 0:06:21 GMT
Do we know, in the GC-world, whether ghosts retain memories from their previous lives? I suppose it possible that if they don't, Mort would only know her from his time at the Court as a ghost, and so his reaction would be understandable. There might be a hint of this in that he starts to forget Annie as she helps him "cross over". He is probably formal with her because she is older, un-emotional, powerful and holds a fairly important position in the Court (Medium trainer, advisor to the headmaster). |
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Post by jda on Apr 6, 2018 4:09:23 GMT
Thanks, the remembrance videos also say that about it. Anyone would know what books Tom was refering to, on about these pictures being inspired in another story? |
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Post by Runningflame on Apr 6, 2018 22:07:48 GMT
Experiments in chemistry.  |
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Post by blazingstar on Apr 18, 2018 14:21:18 GMT
Two things I've only noticed upon browsing the comic (in vain) in search of Gunnerkrigg building numbers or codes: Reynard and Elgamore have had talks since that time he'd kept him prisoner in Sivo's body for who knows how long. Since then, Rey has told Elgamore some of his side of the story, including the fact that he regrets taking Daniel's life, and possibly Sivo's. This is not the first time we've seen Rey's doggy bed. He's had it since their last dorm, at least a year ago. (I probably knew these things already, but just forgot. Judging from the forums, everyone else has forgotten about the doggy bed, too.) |
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 18, 2018 20:35:13 GMT
Annie shows knowledge in one of her two strong school subjects, biology. |
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Post by blazingstar on Apr 18, 2018 20:51:05 GMT
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Post by Gulby on Apr 18, 2018 21:07:31 GMT
Thanks, the remembrance videos also say that about it. Anyone would know what books Tom was refering to, on about these pictures being inspired in another story? I don't know if there's a book, but I find it really similar to the plot of the TV movie "the 10th kingdom" (and as I had to search for the English name I learn it's indeed from an eponymous book), where mirrors are interdimensional portals between the real world and the fairy tales world. |
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