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Post by Spike on Nov 10, 2013 21:18:52 GMT
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Post by Omnium on Nov 10, 2013 21:25:25 GMT
Gesundheit. Also, I goddamn loved this page. Just too adorable. |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 10, 2013 21:46:11 GMT
Darn it, Tom, why do you have to be so clever with your symbolism?!  |
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 10, 2013 21:56:29 GMT
That was an entire chapter *and* her first kiss, so I guess it doesn't count for nothing  There's also how she still has a thing for birds because of him. woo double-negativesMaybe she likes Paz because Paz hangs out with Pigeons  And then will create her perfect back-to-the-future lover, a prototypical Tic-Toc Maybe she likes Paz because... well... Kat probably dreamed about flying in Aly's company for a while. Not on a hoverbike, on her own. And we know that now she wants to make an organic or quasi-organic body for a Seraph model robot. But then, when she got that idea about wings, both Bobby and Paz were in her view. Just saying. |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 10, 2013 22:03:44 GMT
Maybe she likes Paz because Paz hangs out with Pigeons And then will create her perfect back-to-the-future lover, a prototypical Tic-Toc Maybe she likes Paz because... well... Kat probably dreamed about flying in Aly's company for a while. Not on a hoverbike, on her own. And we know that now she wants to make an organic or quasi-organic body for a Seraph model robot. But then, when she got that idea about wings, both Bobby and Paz were in her view. Just saying. You know, Paz could probably talk to Aly. What a conversation that would be. Actually, I really hope this will happen. Going to go post this in Wild Speculation, brb. |
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Post by Omnium on Nov 10, 2013 22:23:42 GMT
I'm going to go with neither. My theory is that it represents Kat's heart forming/growing because of her relationship with Paz. The light pink heart with the line across it shows where her heart 'should' be before it formed. Before Paz she'd never been in love. Not a lasting form of it, anyway. Yes, she had crushes on both Aly and Eggers however both of them are unobtainable for obvious reasons (perhaps subconsciously she knew she knew she wasn't ready and picked the two people with whom romance would be impossible). Because of that until then she had no heart. The darker heart is Kat's actual heart, formed and grown by her love of Paz. It's smaller than the 'non-heart' because it hasn't finished growing yet (as she hasn't realised she's in love yet). In the context of the story it was 'formed' by their talk in Chapter 34, grew after her identity crisis/taking off of the headband of straightness and with the love letter. It'll be fully grown when their romance begins. Or alternatively I'm over thinking it. |
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 10, 2013 22:34:38 GMT
I'm going to go with neither. My theory is that it represents Kat's heart forming/growing because of her relationship with Paz. The light pink heart with the line across it shows where her heart 'should' be before it formed. Before Paz she'd never been in love. Not a lasting form of it, anyway. Yes, she had crushes on both Aly and Eggers however both of them are unobtainable for obvious reasons (perhaps subconsciously she knew she knew she wasn't ready and picked the two people with whom romance would be impossible). Because of that until then she had no heart. The darker heart is Kat's actual heart, formed and grown by her love of Paz. It's smaller than the 'non-heart' because it hasn't finished growing yet (as she hasn't realised she's in love yet). In the context of the story it was 'formed' by their talk in Chapter 34, grew after her identity crisis/taking off of the headband of straightness and with the love letter. It'll be fully grown when their romance begins. Or alternatively I'm over thinking it. So, Kat's small heart grew three sizes that day? Hm.. Overthinking is just about impossible on these forums, no worries |
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Post by Elysium on Nov 10, 2013 23:06:19 GMT
. I've read some articles stating great concern regarding the continuing 'encroachment' of English words upon French, which implies both that people are using a lot of English while being resistant to it (le shopping, le taxi, le weekend!!!). Those exemples are no big deal (by the way, taxi comes from greek), because these are useful additons that fludify the language, but sometimes english words are used for no other reson than "sound cool" so it can be jarring. And foreign languages in France get the short end of the stick, not only the french (in general) doesn't see the point of learning (a lot of entertainement is actually translated) but the eduction system is terribad (I certainly don't owe my english level to the school). |
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Post by warrl on Nov 11, 2013 2:24:46 GMT
I took German because getting yelled at in German is just about the scariest thing ever. That should give me a leg up in the business world. I heard a story about an immigrant lady (I think from somewhere in eastern Europe, moved to the US) who had made it into upper management in a small company. One of the company's vendors badly messed up an order. She called the salesman into her office and went into a loud vociferous rant - in her native language. When she was done, the salesman didn't particularly need to open the door to leave; he could just walk under it. The office staff asked her "What WAS it you said to him?" She paused a moment and replied "I don't know what it's called in English; I'll bake some tonight and bring it in for you tomorrow." |
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 11, 2013 3:13:08 GMT
I took German because getting yelled at in German is just about the scariest thing ever. That should give me a leg up in the business world. I heard a story about an immigrant lady (I think from somewhere in eastern Europe, moved to the US) who had made it into upper management in a small company. One of the company's vendors badly messed up an order. She called the salesman into her office and went into a loud vociferous rant - in her native language. When she was done, the salesman didn't particularly need to open the door to leave; he could just walk under it. The office staff asked her "What WAS it you said to him?" She paused a moment and replied "I don't know what it's called in English; I'll bake some tonight and bring it in for you tomorrow." I swear almost every story in the business world begins with "the vendor screwed everything up and...". Reminds me of a similar situation a few years ago, except the manager was Russian. Very small guy, white hair, in his 50's, had been here for less than a year on a work visa and spoke broken English. He was a good manager despite the language/culture barrier and we all respected him. It was the largest project of the year, very important client to the firm, everybody busting their butt to look good on performance reviews, etc. and the third-party printers we were contracting send a nervous-looking messenger guy to personally report that there had been a typographical error, big enough that all the reports (printed on HELLA EXPENSIVE stock) had to be thrown out and redone. Apparently this had not been caught until halfway through the run, which in this case was in the tens of thousands of units. From what I heard afterward, they wanted to split the cost of the mistake with us. In hindsight, they should have made a phone call. This guy poked his head into my office first, I pointed him down the hall to my manager's office, and then of course I stick my head out and watch what is about to happen. There is about two minutes of quiet, and then lots of shouting. Very soon thereafter both parties emerge from the office, and the manager is chasing this guy down the hall with a meter stick and whacking at his thighs.All the while he is yelling every choice swear-word we have taught him in the intervening 9 months. "You son of bitch! Stupid zalupa!" They disappear around the room divider and I loose sight of them. A minute later he is back, panting and with big sweat stains. Everybody cheered, even the interns. Apparently the guy was too embarrassed to tell, because nothing ever came of it. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 11, 2013 4:59:24 GMT
I took German because getting yelled at in German is just about the scariest thing ever. That should give me a leg up in the business world. I heard a story about an immigrant lady (I think from somewhere in eastern Europe, moved to the US) who had made it into upper management in a small company. One of the company's vendors badly messed up an order. She called the salesman into her office and went into a loud vociferous rant - in her native language. When she was done, the salesman didn't particularly need to open the door to leave; he could just walk under it. The office staff asked her "What WAS it you said to him?" She paused a moment and replied "I don't know what it's called in English; I'll bake some tonight and bring it in for you tomorrow." My German teacher is this older German woman in her 50's or 60's. She's a very nice woman, but sometimes someone will mess up a sentence or use a wrong verb or conjugation or something. Then she goes into this terrifying speech. Everyone shrinks into their seat and no one wants to talk for a long time after. She'll asking people to read sentences or whatever, but everyone has a really hard time getting into it. She's usually telling us the right form or the verb or reading the sentence correctly. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 11, 2013 5:01:55 GMT
I tried to find a source for that joke, so I selected just a random block of text and Googled it. Um...  |
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Post by Kuraru on Nov 11, 2013 16:00:18 GMT
ALISTAIR "ALY" KERSHAW  Right, thank you. ...doesn't he count for something? Because Kat liked him too. She probably would have kept liking him if not of the whole turning into a bird situation. Of course he counts - but that doesn't mean that Kat is definitely still into guys. Like I said, there are a variety of orientations she could have, though I'm sure her "whirlwind romance" with Aly will always be important to her. I remember my transexual friend teaching me how all of that worked. I knew there was a huge selection, but I'd never realized the breadth of it. I learned about it due to my transexual sibling - though it was more gradually over time, rather than a sudden, all-at-once explanation. It may have been a little strange when I first heard about the different orientations, but it makes sense that sexuality isn't a simple black and white dichotomy; reality (specifically, humanity) defies simplicity, after all. |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Nov 11, 2013 18:23:33 GMT
Looks like a heart shaped version of a "prohibited ________" sign to me. I had similar thoughts to Max (mind if I call you Max?). Originally I was thinking that it was something like "not allowing herself to love (or feel emotions)" which was a little odd, but it would have been an appropriate counterbalance to Annie's temper/passion, particularly with Kat's interest in Robotics. A kind of logic vs. emotion sort of theme. But now I'm wondering if maybe it's more like forbidden love? Except that we don't really know a lot about the Gunnerkrigg universe, and thus far I've seen no evidence to indicate that homosexuality is particularly frowned upon. No evidence to specifically support it, either, so it's just kind of neutral in my book. Maybe it will get played off as one of those lessons-in-perspective things: she's just into girls? NBD, at least she's dating within her species (not like Jean). That's wild speculation on my part though. |
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Post by Lightice on Nov 11, 2013 18:56:30 GMT
But now I'm wondering if maybe it's more like forbidden love? Except that we don't really know a lot about the Gunnerkrigg universe, and thus far I've seen no evidence to indicate that homosexuality is particularly frowned upon. No evidence to specifically support it, either, so it's just kind of neutral in my book. Maybe it will get played off as one of those lessons-in-perspective things: she's just into girls? NBD, at least she's dating within her species (not like Jean). I'm inclined to think that it just symbolised Kat's denial, which has now been dealt with pretty finally. Now, if she'll just manage to get out of closet to her friends and family... |
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 11, 2013 23:47:06 GMT
But now I'm wondering if maybe it's more like forbidden love? Except that we don't really know a lot about the Gunnerkrigg universe, and thus far I've seen no evidence to indicate that homosexuality is particularly frowned upon. No evidence to specifically support it, either, so it's just kind of neutral in my book. Maybe it will get played off as one of those lessons-in-perspective things: she's just into girls? NBD, at least she's dating within her species (not like Jean). I'm inclined to think that it just symbolised Kat's denial, which has now been dealt with pretty finally. Now, if she'll just manage to get out of closet to her friends and family... Question raised: Do her parents know? Or... anyone other than her friends? |
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Post by warrl on Nov 12, 2013 0:12:57 GMT
Question raised: Do her parents know? Or... anyone other than her friends? My guess is that Annie and several others of Kat's and Paz's friends have known for a couple months, even though Kat and Paz just figured it out somewhere around last week. |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Nov 12, 2013 3:17:26 GMT
Question raised: Do her parents know? Or... anyone other than her friends? My guess is that Annie and several others of Kat's and Paz's friends have known for a couple months, even though Kat and Paz just figured it out somewhere around last week. I'm not really buying that, sorry. I don't mean to imply that Annie is oblivious, but she does have her own problems to deal with, and they can be quite complicated. And have Kat's parents ever even seen her and Paz together? I know that "the couple getting together are the last ones to see it" is an established trope, but I don't think there's been enough interaction between Paz, Kat, AND other people to set it up that way. Edit: At least not unless a lot more time has passed since the end of the last chapter than I've realized. |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 12, 2013 6:11:58 GMT
My guess is that Annie and several others of Kat's and Paz's friends have known for a couple months, even though Kat and Paz just figured it out somewhere around last week. I'm not really buying that, sorry. I don't mean to imply that Annie is oblivious, but she does have her own problems to deal with, and they can be quite complicated. And have Kat's parents ever even seen her and Paz together? I know that "the couple getting together are the last ones to see it" is an established trope, but I don't think there's been enough interaction between Paz, Kat, AND other people to set it up that way. Edit: At least not unless a lot more time has passed since the end of the last chapter than I've realized. I agree: after all, Annie's never been the most astute about relationships, though more so in the past. Not surprising when your only childhood companions are your mother, death gods, and pyro ghosts. |
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Post by Gulby on Nov 12, 2013 9:26:41 GMT
I tkink if someone should know about the girls, that would be Mr and Mrs Donlan. Because if they see each other for a couple of weeks, then Kat probably invited Paz home at some point, a sunday afternoon for exemple, as she live in the Court, and they played video games together... But that's only a theory. "With 'if's, we could put Paris in a bottle" YEAH.
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 12, 2013 9:39:09 GMT
I'm not really buying that, sorry. I don't mean to imply that Annie is oblivious, but she does have her own problems to deal with, and they can be quite complicated. [...] I agree: after all, Annie's never been the most astute about relationships, though more so in the past. Not surprising when your only childhood companions are your mother, death gods, and pyro ghosts. |
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Post by snipertom on Nov 12, 2013 11:29:09 GMT
I don't think anyone really *knows*. Even if they suspect something it's partially subconscious, I think. Like I think Annie subconsciously knows that they seem suddenly closer but doesn't know why. And the Donlans... well... they might have some idea that something is up but what it is I doubt they know at all. They likely just think Paz has a new friend. Just guessing from how oblivious my parents were about who I might be dating. Due to what adolescents are like, there are probably some high school girls or boys who are already speculating because two unrelated people are suddenly always together.
Also, according to Word of Tom, gunnerkrigg court is pretty accepting of the GAYZ
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Post by Toloc on Nov 12, 2013 12:41:39 GMT
I don't think anyone really *knows*. Even if they suspect something it's partially subconscious, I think. Like I think Annie subconsciously knows that they seem suddenly closer but doesn't know why. And the Donlans... well... they might have some idea that something is up but what it is I doubt they know at all. They likely just think Paz has a new friend. Just guessing from how oblivious my parents were about who I might be dating. Due to what adolescents are like, there are probably some high school girls or boys who are already speculating because two unrelated people are suddenly always together. Also, according to Word of Tom, gunnerkrigg court is pretty accepting of the GAYZ From what I gathered: Some of her peers seem to think Kat is gay anyway (I doubt Paz would have immediately thought Kat was hitting on her in the first place without such rumors.) I think Annie could suspect something based on this page. Maybe not... The Donlans likely only know that Kat made a new close friend. Except if they were spying on them though the ether, and even then they only just kissed so not much to see til now. The CourtBots... no idea. Bobby knows of course and the S13s didn't know who Paz even was until this chapter. I don't know about Robot: if he is still shadowing Kat he might know. The same then obviously goes for Shadow. Lindsey probably knows. They are living in her etherically surveillanced tank and she is a couple's therapist Renard knows obviously. |
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Post by Gulby on Nov 12, 2013 14:03:03 GMT
Renard should know, you think ? :3 Why ? (I sincerely ask !)
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 12, 2013 14:11:42 GMT
I agree: after all, Annie's never been the most astute about relationships, though more so in the past. Not surprising when your only childhood companions are your mother, death gods, and pyro ghosts. Yet she sees them later about to kiss and is totally oblivious... (Would add a link, but proboards mobile sucks) |
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Post by Toloc on Nov 12, 2013 14:29:39 GMT
Renard should know, you think ? :3 Why ? (I sincerely ask !) Simply because he is Renard.  If you want some (very) vague evidence: He is quite observant. 576 957 1149But mainly simply because I would find it funny. |
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Post by Gulby on Nov 12, 2013 14:30:57 GMT
That makes sense. Thank you ! :3
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 12, 2013 14:40:06 GMT
Yet she sees them later about to kiss and is totally oblivious... (Would add a link, but proboards mobile sucks) After "she is all over you" and then this? Can't remember her having sudden amnesia or being possessed. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 12, 2013 15:05:56 GMT
My guess is that Annie and several others of Kat's and Paz's friends have known for a couple months, even though Kat and Paz just figured it out somewhere around last week. I'm not really buying that, sorry. I don't mean to imply that Annie is oblivious, but she does have her own problems to deal with, and they can be quite complicated. And have Kat's parents ever even seen her and Paz together? I know that "the couple getting together are the last ones to see it" is an established trope, but I don't think there's been enough interaction between Paz, Kat, AND other people to set it up that way. Edit: At least not unless a lot more time has passed since the end of the last chapter than I've realized. I agree. That grope is way overplayed. Besides, I want to see Renard's face when they come out. |
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Post by Gulby on Nov 12, 2013 15:50:12 GMT
Hum, Anitmony has some skill in social akwardness, but she isn't blind at all. She spotted Parley and Andrew, and I'm sure she could find out quick for Kat and Paz. But that doesn't mean that she would be socially kind to them. She's exactly the type of person that would make them very uncomfortable or embarrassed just because she state the observed reality with a cold eye ! |
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