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Post by snipertom on Nov 9, 2013 18:05:45 GMT
Right, thank you.  ...doesn't he count for something? Because Kat liked him too. She probably would have kept liking him if not of the whole turning into a bird situation. That was an entire chapter *and* her first kiss, so I guess it doesn't count for nothing  There's also how she still has a thing for birds because of him. woo double-negativesMaybe she likes Paz because Paz hangs out with Pigeons  And then will create her perfect back-to-the-future lover, a prototypical Tic-Toc |
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Post by maxptc on Nov 9, 2013 19:07:20 GMT
ALISTAIR "ALY" KERSHAW Right, thank you. ...doesn't he count for something? Because Kat liked him too. She probably would have kept liking him if not of the whole turning into a bird situation. What do you mean by counts for something? He still counts as someone Kat was attracted to. You can become attracted to more then one person, and you can be attracted to more then one gender. Anyways, how old was she when Aly flew off, 11 or 12? Kat was/is still discovering her sexual identity, plenty of gay/bi people aren't aware of that they feel that way when they are young. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 9, 2013 19:28:52 GMT
Has anyone considered that Kat might be Bi? Or that she's just Bi-curious? Or (and I know some people will disagree that this is a thing, but) straight with exceptions? (AFAIK, you can be gay with exceptions as well) I was just thinking that it was strange that everyone assumed Kat was homosexual, when she could easily be bisexual too. There are a wide variety of orientations she could have beyond those, too (she could be biromantic and heterosexual, asexual and homoromantic, pansexual, etc.). But we don't know for sure what sexual and romantic orientation she is at the moment, and I doubt she's going to talk about it in great detail - we'll have to wait and see. I remember my transexual friend teaching me how all of that worked. I knew there was a huge selection, but I'd never realized the breadth of it. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 9, 2013 19:29:23 GMT
Has anyone considered that Kat might be Bi? Or that she's just Bi-curious? Or (and I know some people will disagree that this is a thing, but) straight with exceptions? (AFAIK, you can be gay with exceptions as well) I was just thinking that it was strange that everyone assumed Kat was homosexual, when she could easily be bisexual too. There are a wide variety of orientations she could have beyond those, too (she could be biromantic and heterosexual, asexual and homoromantic, pansexual, etc.). But we don't know for sure what sexual and romantic orientation she is at the moment, and I doubt she's going to talk about it in great detail - we'll have to wait and see. I remember my transexual friend teaching me how all of that worked. I knew there was a huge selection, but I'd never realized the breadth of it. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 9, 2013 19:30:07 GMT
Has anyone considered that Kat might be Bi? Or that she's just Bi-curious? Or (and I know some people will disagree that this is a thing, but) straight with exceptions? (AFAIK, you can be gay with exceptions as well) I was just thinking that it was strange that everyone assumed Kat was homosexual, when she could easily be bisexual too. There are a wide variety of orientations she could have beyond those, too (she could be biromantic and heterosexual, asexual and homoromantic, pansexual, etc.). But we don't know for sure what sexual and romantic orientation she is at the moment, and I doubt she's going to talk about it in great detail - we'll have to wait and see. I remember my transexual friend teaching me how all of that worked. I knew there was a huge selection, but I'd never realized the breadth of it. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 9, 2013 19:36:18 GMT
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 9, 2013 19:36:54 GMT
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Post by fishtie on Nov 9, 2013 21:10:30 GMT
TRIPLE POST! C-C-C-Combo Breaker! |
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Post by Chendzee'a on Nov 9, 2013 21:15:27 GMT
I laughed more than I should have at the above exchange....
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 9, 2013 21:58:09 GMT
TRIPLE POST! TRIPLE POST! C-C-C-Combo Breaker! TRIPLE QUOTE! you know you can delete your own posts right =P heheAside from her not seeming to worry about boys lately (that we've seen anyway?), I guess Kat being bi makes sense. |
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Post by snipertom on Nov 9, 2013 22:28:00 GMT
TRIPLE POST! TRIPLE QUOTE! TRIPLE POSTERS! |
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 9, 2013 23:03:02 GMT
I bet by Monday this thread will have 6 pages. or more. Looks like this is happening Also just noticed the period in the topic title  to edit, or not to edit... .. , |
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 10, 2013 0:09:31 GMT
I bet by Monday this thread will have 6 pages. or more. Looks like this is happening Also just noticed the period in the topic title to edit, or not to edit... .. , It'll probably have 7 or 8 by that time... |
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Post by Nepycros on Nov 10, 2013 0:16:56 GMT
Looks like this is happening Also just noticed the period in the topic title to edit, or not to edit... .. , It'll probably have 7 or 8 by that time... You're exaggerating, people would have to be intentionally responding to notes of the span of this thread in order to-oh. |
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Post by warrl on Nov 10, 2013 4:51:09 GMT
Anglophones such as myself on the other hand are pathetic at foreign languages due to laziness and a lack of emphasis in the education system. The exception of course being Canada I guess! Actually, no. Anglophone Canadians outside of Quebec and Ottawa are about as inept at languages as Americans. For exceptions, look first at India and then at Great Britain. The primary reason why anglophones tend to be relatively poor at other languages is because most of us don't need to know other languages, nearly as much as other people do. The large majority of people in anglophone countries live within a day's non-flying travel of only anglophone countries (mostly just the country they live in, because four such countries are friggin' huge and several are relatively isolated). Quite a lot of the exceptions could learn just one additional language and have an official language for every country that close. The large majority of people in francophone countries live within a day's non-flying travel of at least three non-francophone countries, and would have to know at least two other languages in order to speak at least one official language of each of those countries. Most people in mainland France would have to learn at least five other languages chosen, depending on the starting location in France, from: Spanish, English, German, Dutch, Danish, Italian, Portuguese, and possibly Czech and Arabic. Also, when one looks at global economic and political importance... |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 10, 2013 5:19:00 GMT
Wait, which four countries? I can only think of three "huge" Anglophone countries.
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Post by warrl on Nov 10, 2013 5:28:31 GMT
I remember my transexual friend teaching me how all of that worked. I knew there was a huge selection, but I'd never realized the breadth of it. As I understand it there are currently five scales: homosexual ---- heterosexual (whom you're physically attracted to, with the center position being "both genders roughly equally") hypersexual -------- asexual (and how strongly) homoromantic -- heteroromantic (whom you're emotionally attracted to) hyperromantic ------ aromantic (and how strongly) transgender --- cisgender (how well you emotionally fit your physical gender) I think there also need to be scales for how important *those* scales are to one's self-identity. If you're heterosexual, how important is it to you that you be seen as heterosexual (other than by persons of the opposite gender that you're pursuing an interest in and persons of the same gender that have an interest in you)? How important is it to you that you see yourself as heterosexual? And why do the main scales need to be all about the primary and secondary gender characteristics? Suppose you don't care much about gender but are preferentially physically attracted to people with a certain eye shape? |
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Post by fishtie on Nov 10, 2013 6:05:44 GMT
And why do the main scales need to be all about the primary and secondary gender characteristics? Suppose you don't care much about gender but are preferentially physically attracted to people with a certain eye shape? I think they just call that taste. |
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Post by snipertom on Nov 10, 2013 6:10:26 GMT
Anglophones such as myself on the other hand are pathetic at foreign languages due to laziness and a lack of emphasis in the education system. The exception of course being Canada I guess! Actually, no. Anglophone Canadians outside of Quebec and Ottawa are about as inept at languages as Americans. For exceptions, look first at India and then at Great Britain. The primary reason why anglophones tend to be relatively poor at other languages is because most of us don't need to know other languages, nearly as much as other people do. The large majority of people in anglophone countries live within a day's non-flying travel of only anglophone countries (mostly just the country they live in, because four such countries are friggin' huge and several are relatively isolated). Quite a lot of the exceptions could learn just one additional language and have an official language for every country that close. The large majority of people in francophone countries live within a day's non-flying travel of at least three non-francophone countries, and would have to know at least two other languages in order to speak at least one official language of each of those countries. Most people in mainland France would have to learn at least five other languages chosen, depending on the starting location in France, from: Spanish, English, German, Dutch, Danish, Italian, Portuguese, and possibly Czech and Arabic. Also, when one looks at global economic and political importance... It's a shame that Canada isn't as bilingual as I thought! Isn't French compulsory from a young age at school? I guess not  . I do know it's compulsory for doctors to know both languages if they want to work in Canada, but that's for obvious reasons I guess! Great Britain does not have a strong emphasis on foreign language use or learning. India is not an Anglophone country, it is a country where if anything Hindi is widely spoken as it is the official language (but not by everyone due to major socioeconomic inequalities including a literacy rate of 74%), and has hundreds of languages within its borders! While the world currently can tolerate an Anglocentric viewpoint among Anglophones... it's not always necessarily going to be that way. And I guess 'need' is relative. Does anyone in Spain *need* to speak & read English, or is it something that people do because their educational structure supports (they have to learn a language from a young age) and their government sees a benefit in doing so? Like I said, I'm an Anglophone with only a smattering of knowledge in 2 other languages. But I think it's a real shame that of my friends I'm one of the ones who knows *more* in the way of foreign languages than others. I've found the bits and pieces of other languages quite useful, especially in my job. Plus there's that whole insular world-view that you get with only knowing one language... just look at how all the primarily Anglophone countries (UK/US/Aus/Canada/NZ) all buddied up over the NSA/GCHQ shit for example (yes, yes, I know it's more complex than that) |
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Post by snipertom on Nov 10, 2013 7:01:18 GMT
I remember my transexual friend teaching me how all of that worked. I knew there was a huge selection, but I'd never realized the breadth of it. As I understand it there are currently five scales: homosexual ---- heterosexual (whom you're physically attracted to, with the center position being "both genders roughly equally") hypersexual -------- asexual (and how strongly) homoromantic -- heteroromantic (whom you're emotionally attracted to) hyperromantic ------ aromantic (and how strongly) transgender --- cisgender (how well you emotionally fit your physical gender) I think there also need to be scales for how important *those* scales are to one's self-identity. If you're heterosexual, how important is it to you that you be seen as heterosexual (other than by persons of the opposite gender that you're pursuing an interest in and persons of the same gender that have an interest in you)? How important is it to you that you see yourself as heterosexual? And why do the main scales need to be all about the primary and secondary gender characteristics? Suppose you don't care much about gender but are preferentially physically attracted to people with a certain eye shape? In terms of sexual orientation, the literature supports the following big categories: - Sex (subcategories: physical/biological/chromosomal/hormonal sex, all of which can be different from each other eg a post op transsexual f2m who was originally intersex with XXY but had been originally assigned as a girl) - Gender identity (what you perceive yourself as, eg male/female/gender fluid/agendered) - Gender diagnosticity/performance (behaviour eg masculine/feminine/androgynous/etc) -- somewhat correlated with gender identity and sexual/romantic preference - Sexual preference by gender/sex (eg sexually attracted to M/F/intersex/trans/all the rest) - Romantic preference by gender/sex (see above, but with 'romantically attracted') -- tends to be strongly correlated with sexual preference though obviously not always the same - Friend preference by gender/sex (who you tend to have as friends, I guess) - Instrumentality (Dominance/submission behaviour) - Emotional expressiveness So for example: - I'm biologically & physically female though I recently have PCOS which messes up my hormones a bit - I'm gender fluid (though if you mapped it by time, I spend my time feeling mainly agendered, but more female than male) - I'm feminine - My sexual preference is F > M (mostly homosexual? primarily gynesexual is a more specific way to put it that gets past the gender thing) - My romantic preference is for women - gyneromantic - My friends are roughly 49/49/1-2 M/F/'other'* *including trans or 'non-gender normative' - Instrumentality - No comment other than to say I'm pretty boring on this one - I wear my heart on my sleeve, so to speak (I guess I either feel like a girly mostly-lesbian or a girly mostly-straight dude at times?!) Sorry, I know, TMI! I guess if you were to put Kat through the wringer, perhaps: - female - female - tomboy/androgynous - probably: likes girls (and possibly boys) though 'sexual preference' as such hasn't really been discussed - likes girls- Paz at least!- (and possibly boys; has liked a boy before 'in that way') - Annie, Paz, robutts and creatures of the etherium. Mostly robutts though I'm not sure she considers them as friends as she doesn't really think of them as on the same level of complexity as humans? Also we don't really see her that often when Annie isn't around (other than doing robutt/Paz/etc stuff) so we don't know who she's friends with. - unknown - definitely wears heart on sleeve despite attempts not to! Annie on the other hand: - female - female - feminine - probably: likes boys, otherwise unknown - probably: likes boys, otherwise unknown - Kat, Jack, Parley, Smitty, (so I guess 50/50ish) robutts, creatures of the etherium, Gods (those ones seem to be mostly male or non-gendered) - unknown - reserved! but getting less so with time. People do talk about things like being only attracted to SMALL ASIAN GIRLS so perhaps that comes under sexual or romantic preference? I'm not sure where fetishes come in, perhaps that's another category. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 10, 2013 7:01:40 GMT
The last time I made a triple post I couldn't sleep for days...
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Post by warrl on Nov 10, 2013 7:24:11 GMT
Wait, which four countries? I can only think of three "huge" Anglophone countries. The one you're missing is probably India. The world's 7th-largest country. Where English is the second official language, the second most commonly spoken language, the most *widely* spoken language, the most commonly taught language, and probably the most commonly written language. Granted, only a minority routinely speak English, and the percentage for whom it is a *first* language is tiny. |
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Post by snipertom on Nov 10, 2013 7:48:30 GMT
Wait, which four countries? I can only think of three "huge" Anglophone countries. The one you're missing is probably India. The world's 7th-largest country. Where English is the second official language, the second most commonly spoken language, the most *widely* spoken language, the most commonly taught language, and probably the most commonly written language. Granted, only a minority routinely speak English, and the percentage for whom it is a *first* language is tiny. I'm using 'anglophone' in the 'mainly Engish as a first language' context, intentionally excluding places like Sri Lanka where my family are from (English being an official language, widely taught and the language people are most likely to have in common with each other, but very rarely a first language). Perhaps 'primarily/overwhelmingly Anglophone countries' would be more accurate when I indicate lazy Anglophone culture towards other languages. |
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Post by Gulby on Nov 10, 2013 12:30:53 GMT
Snipergirl, I think I like you very much.
For the francophone countries, languages are taught very young and the governments wish the youngers could learn many different languages, but (for as much as I know), in France at least, people don't like to learn foreign languages. They go for english because the songs we listen are 50 or 60% in english and the jobs recruiters want to have someone who speaks at least french and english, but the fact is that a small portion of french people from France (don't know for other francophone countries) can read, speak and write properly in english.
Besides, having a great gift for languages is often seen as a snobbish hobbie. Someone who is middle-class and will work in offices for a long time, but in non-management position, will not have to use any language other than french. And even french isn't particularly loved those days. -__-'
I personally loooove to learn languages of all sorts, even if english is the only one I can handle (poorly). But I know I'm quite an exception... :/
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 10, 2013 14:52:39 GMT
I took German because getting yelled at in German is just about the scariest thing ever. That should give me a leg up in the business world.
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 10, 2013 16:09:41 GMT
Languages are a sort of nightmare to me. I've been taking Japanese and mandarin lessons since I was like four.
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Post by snipertom on Nov 10, 2013 16:28:57 GMT
I took German because getting yelled at in German is just about the scariest thing ever. That should give me a leg up in the business world. HERR GOOSE! I like it! I also like that Señor Goose is now a Señor Member It's always interesting to read perspectives from other countries, thanks for sharing! What you're saying certainly makes sense of the conflicted things we hear in Anglophone media about Francophone feelings towards languages. I've read some articles stating great concern regarding the continuing 'encroachment' of English words upon French, which implies both that people are using a lot of English while being resistant to it (le shopping, le taxi, le weekend!!!). Which is also interesting when you consider how much French is used in English, especially formal/technical English! Sad to hear that people would look down on being multilingual, it's such an asset! I really regret not being properly bi- or multi-lingual. Since I'm taking this year off full time work I really should take a class and try to at least become fluent in French ^_^ |
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Post by Corvo on Nov 10, 2013 18:27:48 GMT
Heck it was more intense than Kat's first kiss! . |
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 10, 2013 18:30:09 GMT
Heck it was more intense than Kat's first kiss! . I don't think that counts D: ...does it? |
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Post by snipertom on Nov 10, 2013 19:56:06 GMT
I don't think that counts D: ...does it? That one doesn't count but this one does. |
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. I do know it's compulsory for doctors to know both languages if they want to work in Canada, but that's for obvious reasons I guess!
