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Post by Neon on Oct 29, 2007 19:41:47 GMT
Kat - obviously hetero --> evidence = crush on Eggy & Aly I'd like to know how having two male crushes during middle school makes one "obviously hetero". ...Oookay then.
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Post by todd on Oct 29, 2007 22:09:35 GMT
I also find it difficult to imagine Annie falling in love - at least, at present. She seems so utterly indifferent to such things.
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Post by Neon on Oct 29, 2007 22:36:46 GMT
At first she seemed utterly indifferent to making friends, as well. Annie's character is growing all the time. Give her a few years.
That is to say, I don't think she'll start checking out guys [or girls] on the street and going to mixers, but the idea of falling in love will not seem nearly as distant to her.
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Post by yin on Oct 29, 2007 23:13:14 GMT
Every good entertainer knows that keeping a character's sexuality a secret keeps things much more interesting for the fandom. Part of being a fan is having the freedom to form your own opinions and interpretations of the actions and words of the characters. Of course, when an author DOES decide to divulge such information, it still won't make a difference to those who interpret the character differently. Since the characters are so young, there is indeed plenty of time for them to develop distinct sexualities, but my personal interpretation of the matter at the time being is as follows: Annie = AsexualHasn't really shown romantic interest in any character of either sex. Kat? Eh, if you see it, you see it, but IMHO the tendency of fandoms to automatically pair together two same-sex characters in a friendship dynamic is just as lame as automatically pairing up the male and female protagonists. Kat = HeterosexualShe's still young, this could change. But at the moment, the only characters she's expressed romantic interest in are male. She had the schoolgirl crush on Mr. Elgamore (if I'd ever had a male teacher that hot, I would have too!) and the week-long "fling" with Alistair. ...you know, with the attraction to feathery creatures she's developed since Alistair left, maybe she's becoming birdsexual. ;D Zeta & GammaZimmy is co-dependent on Gamma. She needs her in order to function. And Gamma clearly cares deeply for Zimmy as well, evidenced by the fact that she tries to stay awake continuously. But I feel it's a cop-out to assume they are lesbians immediately over something like that. The biggest problem is that Gamma hasn't had much character development yet. We understand why Zimmy needs Gamma, but Gamma's motives for staying with Zimmy are still unclear. I feel it is more likely than a romantic relationship between Annie and Kat, though. Red & BlueMy bias towards the friendship dynamic comes into play again here, as well as my equally strong bias towards the rival dynamic. Red certainly seems obsessed, but I think modern society has given the word "obsession" a purely romantic/sexual meaning when that isn't always the case. We also haven't seen a lot of character development for either of them, yet, which makes inferring things about their relationship difficult. Those are the only pairings that there is anything to debate about, really. Mr. Eglamore was in love with Surma, so we can deduce he's most likely heterosexual. Kat's parents are married. This doesn't prove anything (LAUGHING ON LINE) but they seem like a loving and well-adjusted couple, so there's no reason not to assume they are also heterosexual. William and Janet had that one "passionate" scene. Reynardine has made at least a couple quips (including the one about wanting to watch a lesbian make-out session) to indicate that he finds females attractive, and Coyote confirmed this.
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Post by AluK on Oct 30, 2007 0:24:50 GMT
Huh, I must be missing something, but, huh, does it really matter? Is there really a difference?
'Cause, you know, it shouldn't matter. People obsess over other people's (and character's) sexuality too much, nowadays.
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Post by popo on Oct 30, 2007 0:59:51 GMT
Tom will wait until he's rich and famous and has sold a gazillion books, and then during a press conference will out Eglamore when it doesn't matter anymore.
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Post by Yin on Oct 30, 2007 1:37:03 GMT
(Aww, man, now there's two yins.)
My $0.02:
Kat= probably straight. May change. Basis: the two crushes.
Annie= no idea. Honestly she seems very Haruhi Fujioka in this respect (which is to say, she appears (appears, mind) to be asexual).
Z&G: Symbiotic. It doesn't matter what their genders are.
Faeries: why are we arguing about *their* sexuality? They are/were just friends, sheesh.
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Post by yin on Oct 30, 2007 4:35:13 GMT
(Aww, man, now there's two yins.) Oops. Sorry, my bad. I should have known something was up when my name was automatically lower-case'd.
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Post by Yin on Oct 30, 2007 4:41:34 GMT
All usernames are automatically lowercase'd. My real username is sli, I just changed it in profiles. But you can keep the lowercase'd yin. It's not that difficult to tell us apart anyway xD
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Post by danomene on Oct 31, 2007 13:12:08 GMT
I find it interesting how discrete people are making sexual preferences. I do not believe that a simple gay/straight dichotomy is enough to explain any real interpersonal relationships. As such I can definitely see that there are aspects of caring and loyalty that exist in the Annie/Kat relationship that would be in any relationship. Being gay, straight or bisexual are labels that the characters would need to assume themselves for there to be any meaning as we are trying to establish it.
That having been said, I think that it would be fair to say that Annie's 'asexuality' could actually be indicative of her having feelings for Kat that she feels that she can't legitimize due to a perception of Kat as being mostly heterosexual. Since she always hears about Kat's interest in other men she might feel that looking at her friendship (at least publicly) as anything other than a platonic friendship would be risky (either due to Kat's response, fear of being outed, etc.).
I also find it worrisome that people are assuming that Kat is necessarily heterosexual just because she has shown interest in men. As it is shown her closest friend (and possible romantic/non-romantic soul-mate) is Annie.
tl;dr: I'm ranting about heterosexism.
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Post by yin on Oct 31, 2007 15:04:08 GMT
I also find it worrisome that people are assuming that Kat is necessarily heterosexual just because she has shown interest in men. As it is shown her closest friend (and possible romantic/non-romantic soul-mate) is Annie. If Kat was a real person, and not a fictional character, I doubt anyone would assume she was a lesbian (or bisexual) because her best friend is also female. Hell, that would make a LOT of people homosexual. I'd be a flaming lesbian.
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Post by sleepymiranda on Oct 31, 2007 20:03:08 GMT
I heart you popo. I really do.
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Post by spritznar on Oct 31, 2007 20:27:28 GMT
i think danomene's point was that people are ignoring the existance of bisexuals. and it's true that IRL people would rarely assume someone was a lesbian or bi because her best friend is a girl, i think that's also part what danomene was saying - hetero is the default. everyone assumes straight, so people ignore/hide minor cues to stay within the norm.
if you were bi, wouldn't it be easy to suppress and ignore the less straight part in order to avoid potential social stress? it's also possible to not realize one is bi, if you like the opposite sex then one might assume they're straight and never think about their sexuality past what society tells them.
and now i'm ranting, sorry. i'd just like people to keep in mind that, like danomene mentioned; sexuality isn't black and white, it's one long range of grey.
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Post by Horus on Nov 2, 2007 6:29:34 GMT
uh...now we re talking bisexuality?? arent we loosing the point here??? was ever a point in this discussion??? im amazed that just by a mere mild refference in just one panel and were drowning in 3 pages of wild speculation about it. if you ask me: it's not going to happen. why? because there is already too many homosexual/bisexual relationships going on in the plot and they are the main subject of this comic. (notice the mild sarcasm). im sure that many of us would like to see some nice lesbian romance or god knows what else for our twisted minds leisure, but!...we migth need to think about the consecuences that doing so may bring.
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Post by Shunpike on Feb 8, 2008 15:21:52 GMT
Just out of curiosity, if it's all "gosh golly THEYS IS LYK 11 SHUDDUP GUYS" for annie and kat, why is it okay for gamma and zimmy? Because G&Z's relationship isn't as clearcut. Plain and simple. Exactly. Antimony and Kat's relationship is apparently nothing more than what we are led to believe. Gamma and Zeta, however, are difficult to make assumptions about, seeing as we know so little about their lives and personalities. I don't believe I could describe their relationship as sisters, friends, or more, seeing as we barely have any insight into how they interact with each other. We can only make assumptions about the former because of the constant learning we do about our main characters. I don't see anything with Annie and Kat, but I'm still on the fence about Zeta and Gamma. I think the only reason the Raynardine joke was put in there is because a few pages earlier when Annie cries under the cherry tree, a LOT of people said the angle looked like they were kissing. I think it's a nod to that. That's a good point. I completely agree.
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Post by kiks on Feb 9, 2008 1:04:31 GMT
fwee, finally read all that. My opinion.
They are both teenie boppers. (Tweens) Not everyone knows what sexuality they are at that age. Do I think Annie and Kat are and OTP? No. Best friends forever? Heck yes! They will be old and grey and still best friends. Any love in that relationship is that of family and friendship.
Kat's crush: Nothing wrong with her crush on Eglamore. It's just that a crush. It's not creepy or weird. It's normal and healthy. Young kids get crushes on adults. How many shows have episodes where they young boy gets a crush on his subsitute teacher, (or in the case of the Simpsons Lisa's crush on her sub) or baby sitter? Creepy is when the teacher gets a crush on the student. (which leads me to something else entirly involing Annie looking like her mother.)
Zimmy and Gemma: Friendship, sisters? Why do I get the feeling they grew up together.
Red and Blue: Now I would be lying if I didn't get the feeling these two might be together in someway. But I think that is just the nature of fairies.
My conclusion. No one in this comic so far is going to be involved in lesbianism. (maybe an experimental phase come college. J/K)
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Post by Tenjen on Feb 9, 2008 1:26:04 GMT
or till one cops it. But with the nature of the school their in, you never know even then.
The kids here have no established sexuality. Their still in that phase where their experiences have yet to lead them to a certain course. Cept for red and blue, their probably quite a number of years old. But their fairies. I doubt their as preoccupied about worrying wether their sexuality is accepted or not and just more likely to just naturally go with what direction they go in.
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Post by Aspen d'Grey on Feb 9, 2008 3:26:21 GMT
... Can this die yet? Please? I think new-Yin did the best analysis of it I've seen, but still. Can't we just enjoy the freakin comic?
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Post by Tenjen on Feb 10, 2008 12:32:03 GMT
o we can always enjoy the comic. This doesnt take anything out of it.
This is just one of many such topics we can have engage ourselves in discussing. We are all fans after all. Though not as retarded [yet?] as other fan basis.
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Post by spritznar on Feb 12, 2008 5:51:29 GMT
o we can always enjoy the comic. This doesnt take anything out of it. This is just one of many such topics we can have engage ourselves in discussing. second that. aspen, if the topic bothers you, ignore it. although the thread does seem to have fallen into a pattern of restating the same things in a slightly different manner, not so much a discussion as a reiteration...
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Post by nikita on Feb 12, 2008 9:22:27 GMT
There is more than one reason why this thread makes absolutely no sense. 1. Their age. They have not decided that yet and probably didn't even think about it. 2. Because of 1, neither party will find any clear evidence to support their claim. 3. It's merely perpetuating clichés. 4. Knowing their sexuality will not be of any use for anybody except one wants to check if their fantasies about them are in line with the "real" Kat and Annie, which would be plain out weird. (If you already imagine them being lesbians - would it matter whether they "actually are" or not?) 5. That question probably won't be answered in the near future anyway (if ever) so there's no point in arguing who is right and who's wrong. And even if it turns out your right: You made a 50/50 decision - congratulations. Someone could ask Tom, but I'm not sure if he'd even bother thinking about it. So if the thread lives on, it will be pointless (and already is, as spritznar said) not as retarded [yet?] as other fan basis. One might argue that this thread proves you wrong. But if so, we're retarded at a high intellectual level. I don't want to discuss, but to make it clear: "A true friend": If you really love someone - you don't call her merely "a true friend". You'd add something about loving her or whatever. (My opinion)I agree with Aspen Let. it. die.
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Post by cenit on Feb 12, 2008 13:41:07 GMT
LAUGHING ON LINE, the first time this topic showed up, I decided against to post on it... but since it seems to have risen again from it's grave, I'll put my two cents worth. First of all, the GC main plot has little to do with romance. The story has enough stuff going around to fool around with romance plot. Aly's story, gave us a little more understanding of Kat, but was also a clever way to show the test thing going on (which was brought up with the fairies, and implied that things go both sides). As for Annie and Kat's relationship, I doubt it goes beyond friendship. Theres no reason to believe otherwise. Many people have pointed out that Kat has crush on Eglamore (which is a normal thing for school-kids to have), and had a crush on Aly too. Also (speaking as a psychologist now); the destination of love affection is chosen around their ages, and for Kat evidence shows that she likes guys. For Annie, well, let's say her life has lead her to work and deal with other stuff first. Other characters in the court are more hard to think of, because we don't "know" as much. Someone made a strange comment about Eglamore and Annie, saying as how Eglamore had a crush on Surma there could be something weird going on there. I do believe Eglamore had a soft spot for Annie at first, but I doubt it went beyond of caring for the child of someone you hold dear in your hearth... and risking the wild speculation, I think Eglamore sees in Annie a lot more of her father now...and that makes him kind of mad. Finally, this tread brings up funny ads, I'm seeing right now "Gay Marriage", "Gay Military" (¿?) and "Bisexual Families"...can be have a burial of this tread now?
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Post by spritznar on Feb 12, 2008 20:01:09 GMT
i frankly don't care if you people dislike the ads this thread is bringing up. i don't like the napolean dynamite ad that i keep seeing in the "Awesome-o!" thread but i deal with it.
(hmm, i'm a bit snarky today...)
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Post by popo on Feb 12, 2008 20:47:53 GMT
i don't like the napolean dynamite ad that i keep seeing in the "Awesome-o!" thread I'm sorry.
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Post by spritznar on Feb 13, 2008 7:39:09 GMT
you're sorry? does that mean you're the one responsible for napolean dynamite?!? for shame
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Post by popo on Feb 13, 2008 7:41:27 GMT
Well, I made the thread. Maybe if someone else had made it we would get better ads.
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Post by Shunpike on Feb 13, 2008 18:45:14 GMT
Hm. Well, I know this is probably entirely inappropriate, but I saw this icon somewhere and all I could think was "child of zimmy and gamma." It's just half of a face, but still userpic.livejournal.com/56454699/9566971
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Post by Count Casimir on Feb 15, 2008 4:45:48 GMT
Heh cute kinda.
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Post by spritznar on Feb 16, 2008 6:56:14 GMT
this seemed kinda relevant to some of the arguments being made here (some of which may have been made by me ) edit: also this
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Post by rallan on Feb 16, 2008 9:40:19 GMT
There is more than one reason why this thread makes absolutely no sense. 1. Their age. They have not decided that yet and probably didn't even think about it. Decided? Dunno about you, but I don't recall some magical moment in highschool where I thought "Hmm, well I guess now that this puberty thing's happening, I'll pick whether I like girls or boys or both". If they turn out heterosexual (and they probably will, because a sudden trip to the Isle of Lesbos would totally derail the whole Best Friends Forever vibe they've got at the moment), it certainly isn't going to be because they both say "Look, I really like you as a friend, but I'm making a conscious decision to find boys hotter than you". And now to get the thread back on actual Gunnerkrigg-related matters... Coyote. If anyone's batting for both teams in this dang comic, it's Coyote. After all, being heterosexual would effectively half the number of people he can annoy
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