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Post by alevice on Oct 15, 2020 16:43:01 GMT
tehy will give the same answer But these robots are not in a hurry to be deactivated again, so maybe they would reveal some more if asked persistently. excuse me miss carver, i need to get back into my slumber, bye!
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Post by Per on Oct 15, 2020 20:20:20 GMT
Annie: Kat, why do you rush in and *crack* everyone I ask about the establishing of the Court? Do you know something about it?
Kat: Sorry, I, er. *cracks self*
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Post by fia on Oct 21, 2020 19:16:42 GMT
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Post by jda on Oct 22, 2020 1:45:25 GMT
www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=773On this page, what first seemed to me as an ancestor of the robots barrier, also has a mirror image on the forest side, tracing kind of a extruded "Z" character with the Coyote strip that becomes the Ravine. But I think I've seen this symbol before, as an alchemical one. Am I right?
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Post by wies on Oct 22, 2020 8:41:21 GMT
I expect that bird to return someday. There is a lot of the Court's past we still don't know that seems important for the story. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=773On this page, what first seemed to me as an ancestor of the robots barrier, also has a mirror image on the forest side, tracing kind of a extruded "Z" character with the Coyote strip that becomes the Ravine. But I think I've seen this symbol before, as an alchemical one. Am I right? Yeah. It evokes a bit the symbol for lead, the protector of the Court.
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 22, 2020 17:12:26 GMT
Hot take: if the shadowy blond guy is Steadman, the raven (crow? corvid of some sort.) is actually a metaphor for Diego whispering in his ear, hatching (pun fully intended) the plan to turn Jeanne into the Ghost Guardian.
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Post by wies on Oct 22, 2020 20:46:01 GMT
Perhaps more fit for speculation, but wonder if Coyote's action here pushed the Court to develop that purple shield to prevent that from happening again.
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Post by Druplesnubb on Oct 23, 2020 8:30:21 GMT
I have a hard time seeing that as anything other than a Homestuck reference. That guy looks exactly like Dave's Bro or an older Dave wearing his brother's glasses, and Dave was very closely associated with corvids. I think I have a vague memory of Tom confirming this not to be the case, though.
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Post by Polyhymnia on Oct 24, 2020 15:15:13 GMT
www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2298Not necessarily cool, per se, but I didn’t notice the court’s planning a mission to the forest and inviting Annie along. Now all I can imagine are the hazmat guys meeting Loup. Of course, all odds say there’ll be some super weapon at this point since the last encounters with coyote/Loup have ended in building destruction and SUPER building destruction...
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 24, 2020 19:41:46 GMT
Perhaps more fit for speculation, but wonder if Coyote's action here pushed the Court to develop that purple shield to prevent that from happening again. Coyote was inside the Court for negotiations when he destroyed that building, the shield wouldn't have prevented that.
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Post by wies on Oct 25, 2020 5:50:53 GMT
Perhaps more fit for speculation, but wonder if Coyote's action here pushed the Court to develop that purple shield to prevent that from happening again. Coyote was inside the Court for negotiations when he destroyed that building, the shield wouldn't have prevented that. Good point.
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Post by arf on Oct 25, 2020 6:33:28 GMT
The bird motif appears again when Annie is discussing the etheric arrow with the ROTD guy. Birds are associated with Kat, which prompts me to wonder whether she's going to be doing some more time tripping, and end up giving Diego a helping hand with the device, a copy(?) of which she has also made... (Quite aware that this is one of the *last* things that Kat would do voluntarily.)
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Post by blahzor on Oct 25, 2020 8:52:41 GMT
Perhaps more fit for speculation, but wonder if Coyote's action here pushed the Court to develop that purple shield to prevent that from happening again. I assume the shield idea came from the sheer fact Coyote created the ravine with a single strike
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Post by fia on Oct 26, 2020 20:54:12 GMT
Oh wow, I hadn't seen that glowy stuff as a bird before now. I just saw it as glowy stuff. There's more atmospheric glowy stuff here and there's a glow on Kat's ether-disruptor device and a regular glow on the arrow here. But perhaps you're right and the arrow will turn out to be Kat technology, not Diego technology... that would be super weird. I can't imagine Kat would ever willingly lend her technology for that. On the other hand, the zombification of the Court robots and putting up the shield – someone did that, and it could have been Future Kat, now that we know she'll time travel again later. My other major suspect had been Jack, because of the tech he used on Reynardine, but now there's reason to suspect Kat might travel back in time to do that (and that she, or Robot, might give the seraph robots an override chip in the past).
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Post by jda on Oct 27, 2020 19:14:49 GMT
I just noticed how important this page is concerning the creation of Kat's Etheric myth body/legend. Basically an Ancient One, an elder robot, one that in fact met Diego ( one of their finest minds, tasked with the CREATION of "modern" robotkind), starts the autofeedback circle of blind faith in the Angel's prophecy.
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Post by Isildur on Nov 11, 2020 21:59:31 GMT
So it is! Thank you! Man, it is amazing how early Tom drops things he will explore later. ... in fact, on the same page (panel 3), is that a representation of Arbiter Saslamel hanging on Egger's office wall!? (It also appears on the chapter title page) Almost surely, given the discussion of the contract of the doll in which Renard was trapped; I noticed that, too. Except, as it's floating on black background, it's not 100% clear it's actually one of Eglamore's artifacts. There's a possibility it could just be a symbol of what's being discussed, like certain other circumstances where images were drawn on-panel for our benefit but not meant to be literally appearing to the characters. Of course, at the time, we were clearly meant to assume it existed on his office wall.
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Post by Druplesnubb on Nov 13, 2020 8:40:45 GMT
... in fact, on the same page (panel 3), is that a representation of Arbiter Saslamel hanging on Egger's office wall!? (It also appears on the chapter title page) Almost surely, given the discussion of the contract of the doll in which Renard was trapped; I noticed that, too. Except, as it's floating on black background, it's not 100% clear it's actually one of Eglamore's artifacts. There's a possibility it could just be a symbol of what's being discussed, like certain other circumstances where images were drawn on-panel for our benefit but not meant to be literally appearing to the characters. Of course, at the time, we were clearly meant to assume it existed on his office wall. You can see the bottom of the statue in panel one (though either th eperspective is off or Annie took several steps backwards offscreen).
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Post by fia on Nov 14, 2020 20:59:13 GMT
So, not so much "noticed on reread" as "noticed a lot on the forums": what evidence do we have that "the mark of the creator" is really "Diego's symbol"? From the beginning I suspected it was Kat's symbol. There was a discussion about it eons ago (also way to go forumsters who guessed in 2013 that Kat was going to time-travel). It looks like a bird, even! But I've noticed people on the forums still refer to it as "Diego's symbol"? Is there something I'm missing?
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Post by fia on Nov 14, 2020 21:16:28 GMT
I noticed on reread that these City Face comics drawn by the characters are starting to sound awfully prophetic. Annie's is about a lost hat that was never lost. Kat's is about a conflict between robots and organic beings. Rey wrote about nature being pushed out of the world. Mort wrote a death joke. Lindsay's drawing kind of looks like the drawing Annie tried to make of MechaAngelKat. Zimmy's is about infinite birds and eyes and darkness. They're all silly and amazing, but also very Foreshadowy.
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Post by saardvark on Nov 14, 2020 22:04:58 GMT
So, not so much "noticed on reread" as "noticed a lot on the forums": what evidence do we have that "the mark of the creator" is really "Diego's symbol"? From the beginning I suspected it was Kat's symbol. There was a discussion about it eons ago (also way to go forumsters who guessed in 2013 that Kat was going to time-travel). It looks like a bird, even! But I've noticed people on the forums still refer to it as "Diego's symbol"? Is there something I'm missing? I think its inferred from the fact that Diego is called "the creator", but if Kat is also a "creator".... (?)
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 15, 2020 4:40:36 GMT
So, not so much "noticed on reread" as "noticed a lot on the forums": what evidence do we have that "the mark of the creator" is really "Diego's symbol"? From the beginning I suspected it was Kat's symbol. There was a discussion about it eons ago (also way to go forumsters who guessed in 2013 that Kat was going to time-travel). It looks like a bird, even! But I've noticed people on the forums still refer to it as "Diego's symbol"? Is there something I'm missing? I...huh. I could have sworn there was some place in the comic where Diego was shown with that symbol - like maybe in this dramatic portrait shot - but now that I'm looking I really can't find anything!
Alright, after some careful digging I think I found that the Lead symbol, at least, seems to be passed down from Protector to Protector - it's on both Sir Eglamore's armor and his teacher's (look closely at his breastplate in the last panel), although we never see it directly in conjunction with Sir Young. And of course, Annie inherited her necklace from Surma...I guess everyone just assumed that therefore, Kat's symbol is something she "inherited" from Diego somehow...and besides, he's popularly known in the Court as the inventor of the first Court robots. But with stable-loop time travel being on the table, it's entirely possible that Kat was the actual "creator" all along!
Edit: Actually, there is one place where the robots are clearly talking about Diego, and they do call him "our wonderful creator". So maybe this doesn't work after all.
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Post by Isildur on Nov 16, 2020 21:46:30 GMT
Almost surely, given the discussion of the contract of the doll in which Renard was trapped; I noticed that, too. Except, as it's floating on black background, it's not 100% clear it's actually one of Eglamore's artifacts. There's a possibility it could just be a symbol of what's being discussed, like certain other circumstances where images were drawn on-panel for our benefit but not meant to be literally appearing to the characters. Of course, at the time, we were clearly meant to assume it existed on his office wall. You can see the bottom of the statue in panel one (though either th eperspective is off or Annie took several steps backwards offscreen). I considered that perhaps it was the same statue as those feet, but as you say, the position seems wrong. She's standing at the corner of Eglamore's desk in multiple panels -- in #1, arguably in #2, and in #5. If it's truly facing her, she would seem to have had to take steps back right before panel 3 and then forward again, for that to work. Well, either that, or the statue turned to face her from behind her... or just its upper part including both the head and hand were always twisted 75 degrees to its left. (But I highly doubt either of these.) Or perhaps the panel should be taken somewhere between a literal and symbolic interpretation. During panel 3, it could still be a few paces behind her and not facing her (as the head of the footed statue, as you say), but its set-on-black appearance in the third panel could be an inset picture for our benefit, rather than the panel conveying a single perspective of both it and Annie.
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Post by Polyhymnia on Nov 17, 2020 14:19:06 GMT
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Post by saardvark on Nov 17, 2020 14:47:31 GMT
Reading this again... www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1547Maybe this has been raised before, but way Tony phrases it: "researching their blasted Omega device"... "research the device and Surma's pregnancy" ...i.e., "researching the device" and not "researching about/on/for the device" seems to suggest that the device isnt being currently devised/constructed by the Court. Rather, it already exists, and they are either trying to improve/upgrade it, or it was constructed by someone/something else and they are trying to understand it. Either would put quite a different spin on things. The first could mean its very complicated but might be close to ready, or be like controlled fusion - always 20 years away. The second begs the question of who originally made it? Or maybe it is an English was of phrasing things I am unaware of...(?)
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Post by DonDueed on Nov 17, 2020 22:13:14 GMT
Reading this again... www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1547Maybe this has been raised before, but way Tony phrases it: "researching their blasted Omega device"... "research the device and Surma's pregnancy" ...i.e., "researching the device" and not "researching about/on/for the device" seems to suggest that the device isnt being currently devised/constructed by the Court. Rather, it already exists, and they are either trying to improve/upgrade it, or it was constructed by someone/something else and they are trying to understand it. Either would put quite a different spin on things. The first could mean its very complicated but might be close to ready, or be like controlled fusion - always 20 years away. The second begs the question of who originally made it? Or maybe it is an English was of phrasing things I am unaware of...(?) Or, as another alternative... one faction in the Court has developed the Omega device, and another faction (including Tony) is trying to understand it and/or the goals of the faction that developed it.
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Post by saardvark on Nov 17, 2020 22:52:30 GMT
Reading this again... www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1547Maybe this has been raised before, but way Tony phrases it: "researching their blasted Omega device"... "research the device and Surma's pregnancy" ...i.e., "researching the device" and not "researching about/on/for the device" seems to suggest that the device isnt being currently devised/constructed by the Court. Rather, it already exists, and they are either trying to improve/upgrade it, or it was constructed by someone/something else and they are trying to understand it. Either would put quite a different spin on things. The first could mean its very complicated but might be close to ready, or be like controlled fusion - always 20 years away. The second begs the question of who originally made it? Or maybe it is an English was of phrasing things I am unaware of...(?) Or, as another alternative... one faction in the Court has developed the Omega device, and another faction (including Tony) is trying to understand it and/or the goals of the faction that developed it. Along those lines, maybe Diego built it, but died before (a) fully explaining how it worked, or (b) completing it, or (c) only left cryptic notes (as usual), or something...
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Post by jda on Nov 18, 2020 3:32:34 GMT
Don't forget: the device is Kat
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Post by blahzor on Nov 18, 2020 5:08:59 GMT
For the device to be Kat that would mean Anja knows more than she's letting on and letting it happen. I don't think she trust the Court enough for that. As she is the reason Kat and Annie met and encouraged their possible friendship
It's more like Diego came up with the idea if the omega device but couldn't build a effective one. The court will then try and get Kat to finish it like the ship wanted to help him
Tony has a limit view of what's a device he called his severed hand and ruins to make the antenna a device even
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Post by speedwell on Nov 18, 2020 13:23:47 GMT
I noticed that. He looked easily 50 in the earlier link and like he could be nearing 40 in the later link. At least to me, and I'm not smart about stuff like that. I am simply feeling the earlier link as "about my age" and the later as "mature man significantly younger than me".
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Post by Polyhymnia on Nov 18, 2020 13:54:31 GMT
I noticed that. He looked easily 50 in the earlier link and like he could be nearing 40 in the later link. At least to me, and I'm not smart about stuff like that. I am simply feeling the earlier link as "about my age" and the later as "mature man significantly younger than me". That was my impression as well. Now I’m thinking it may have something to do with the fact that he was pretty lean from his wilderness days and still not back to full health, and thus looked artificially older since he had little fat on his body.
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