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Post by sherni on Nov 6, 2015 12:36:48 GMT
That's it Annie! You tell him! Don't let him keep your frie-
Er...
Um...
What.
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Post by todd on Nov 6, 2015 12:41:55 GMT
In light of how easily the Court and Anthony caved in to Coyote in the previous chapter (not to mention just how easy the rescue went in "The Torn Sea"), maybe we should have seen this one coming.
I suspect that Tom feels more at home with internal conflict than external conflict, and quickly resolves the latter to give more time to explore the former.
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Post by alpacalypse on Nov 6, 2015 12:45:43 GMT
Im going to repeat what im sure has already been repeated here. Wut?
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Post by Nepycros on Nov 6, 2015 13:37:10 GMT
Y'know, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not suspicious of Tony at all. I know lotsa folks are, I just don't see it. Seems like he just didn't put too much weight on keeping Reynard under his control. He had a commanding tone but a rather non-accusatory, non-invasive way of telling his daughter to give him the demon wolf plushie. And if he got frustrated that he won't listen to any of his commands, that would be grounds to just shrug off the loss and let his daughter have the etheric monster doll. |
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Post by Lightice on Nov 6, 2015 13:52:33 GMT
Well, that was an awesome chapter. Wonder how this'll look in the book format...
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Post by Goatmon on Nov 6, 2015 14:18:17 GMT
"Is there anything else?"
"Uh yeah, can I get a smart phone, and a new dress, a new car, some ice cream, a kitty..."
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Post by Anthony on Nov 6, 2015 14:38:25 GMT
Tony, Annie and Renard are in this one  Next page: Annie rings the doorbell again: "I also want a car." |
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Post by Gulby on Nov 6, 2015 14:45:05 GMT
Bonus page : Annie rings the doorbell again, and when Anthony opens, she jumps to his shoulders to hug him very hard. Last pannel, he closes his arms around her and closes his eyes, no smile but we can sense the relief of a father forgave by her daughter.
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WHAT?! One cannot dream, now?! xD
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Post by fwip on Nov 6, 2015 14:46:06 GMT
10/10 best chapter A+ Tom
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Post by elebenty on Nov 6, 2015 14:50:47 GMT
There is something else Annie should have said before the door closed. "Thank you." Also: "I love you". Give her time. Her father is quite far from neurotypical, and she is quite far still from relating to him as anything other than Her Detached Father. She'll get there. Have faith. He didn't even give her the chance to finish what she was saying. Didn't let her call him Father. He shut the door. For all we know she would have said "thank you" -- not sure either of them is ready for professing love. Except Anthony didn't play along. You can see her disappointment when he asks if ther was something else she wanted... he closes the door on her, and she has her friend back, but not her father. He's running away from the entire thing. That just means she'll have to get him from another angle. Agreed, Tony was in control of how the exchange ended. Dun! Dun! Dun! So if the conflict will not be provided by Annie setting daddy on fire, where will the conflict be? Oh yeah... Rey has been ordered to shut up by Annie. And he was betrayed by Annie. He was passed around like chatel... Then there is Kat. Who tried to help. And was repulsed by robot Annie. Hmmm ladies and gentlemen pick your targets. My hopes: tonight she spends an evening trying to make it up to Rey. (I've missed him! He has worried about her! She's got a lot of 'splaining to do!) Then tomorrow she'll creep back to Kat with her tail between her legs. Kat will have already been filled in by Smitty, so she'll be easier on her than Annie deserves. But it will all be awkwardly good. And by then it will be Groundhog Day in real life. |
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Post by nightwind on Nov 6, 2015 14:59:02 GMT
Well, this chapter's long and winding path has to be examined thoroughly to understand all the myriads of things which happened here. For starters only this: On the good side is Annie has Renard back.
Downside: I laughed so loud my cat got scared for a moment.
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Post by OrzBrain on Nov 6, 2015 14:59:14 GMT
I wonder if Tom is related to Wildbow, author of the epic Superhero serial Worm. They both seem to troll in the same awesome way.
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Post by fatexx544 on Nov 6, 2015 15:37:06 GMT
Thoughts for the bonus page on Monday? 6 panels of Annie just standing there.
RANT WARNING: I cannot believe the number of people who want Annie to just forgive and make nice with Tony. FUCK HIM. HE IS AN AWFUL FATHER. She is under no obligation to make HIM feel better. He is the adult, he should say "I Love You" and "Thank You" and "I am not worthy to lick the ground you walk on." As others have mentioned, his quick return of Reynardine can easily be traced to Coyote destroying a building last chapter. Tony might *just now* be waking up to how he has treated his daughter, but it is still only in terms of how the outside world (Coyote) gets angry over it. Did he take the time this strip to apologize for taking Reynardine, isolating Annie from her peers, and demeaning her in public? No, he fucking didn't. He just tossed her the toy so he could hide from reality. Again. Seriously, FUCK HIM. END RANT.
On a more giving note, if Annie did want to help her father (which she is under no obligation to do, in my opinion) then simply forgiving him is the worst possible thing to do. That would simply resolve the situation and put a nice Disney bow on the proceedings without changing the years of neglect and continued lack of caring. Some have suggested Tony might not be neurotypical - I'm not sure I buy that, but if it is true then Annie should try to get him to a therapist (which I wager he hasn't done for himself). If he is neurotypical (my opinion) but just a shitty father, then she should continue to remind him of how shit he is (in a nicer way than I am currently doing, I guess). She can spend time with him without forgiving him (which would be a good idea, in my opinion). He has a long way to go to be a decent father still, and shortcutting the process solves nothing. |
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Post by pasko on Nov 6, 2015 16:00:06 GMT
I'm starting to suspect that the story will be in the bonus page(s).
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Post by Goatmon on Nov 6, 2015 16:02:05 GMT
If he is neurotypical (my opinion) but just a shitty father, then she should continue to remind him of how shit he is (in a nicer way than I am currently doing, I guess). She can spend time with him without forgiving him (which would be a good idea, in my opinion). He has a long way to go to be a decent father still, and shortcutting the process solves nothing. What you're saying amounts to shaming, in an eye-for-an-eye sense. Not sure if you're 100% aware of that, but that's absolutely the sentiment expressed here. And it's really not the way to go. I think Anthony's treatment of Antimony when he first appeared made it pretty clear that shaming doesn't actually accomplish anything except hurt people. She is absolutely in the right to hate him for what he's done, but forgiveness is the only thing that will actually lead to either of them becoming happier and healthier here. Anthony couldn't forgive himself for what happened to Surma, and and look what that did to him. Lacking a father figure in her life has clearly done her more harm than good, and obviously his methods thus far have been extremely shitty. But in order to really improve as a person, he needs to let go of Surma. He needs to accept that it wasn't his fault that she died. And I don't think anyone but Antimony can really help him with that. |
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Post by dotdotdot on Nov 6, 2015 16:11:56 GMT
Just created an account to say... Tom, you magnificent bastard you!
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Post by jda on Nov 6, 2015 16:17:19 GMT
Dun! Dun! Dun! So if the conflict will not be provided by Annie setting daddy on fire, where will the conflict be? Oh yeah... Rey has been ordered to shut up by Annie. And he was betrayed by Annie. He was passed around like chatel... Then there is Kat. Who tried to help. And was repulsed by robot Annie. Hmmm ladies and gentlemen pick your targets. Yessssssssh. That's what I think. I guess Kat will not give Rey back... just for scientific purposes. |
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Post by l33tninja on Nov 6, 2015 16:21:35 GMT
Almost correct, but suppose this warrants cookies nevertheless. I am proud to have been even tangentially involved in this prediction. Reminds me way back in the old Robert Jordan USENET group of the guy who predicted Seanchan marriage predictions of got it listed as everyone's favourite crazy prediction, and turned out to be spot on.
Remember the time that Tom Siddell and I collaborated to write Gunnerkrigg Court?
I feel like Stacey King of the Chicago Bulls who said, following a game in which Jordan scored 69 points and King scored 1:
"I'll always remember this as the night that Michael Jordan and I combined to score 70 points in one game."
Jelly Jellybean Ophel rafk eightyfour KMar Thanks for the cookies
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Post by Refugee on Nov 6, 2015 16:37:49 GMT
Then there is Kat. Who tried to help. And was repulsed by robot Annie. Not robot Annie. Heartsick and soul-wounded Annie. Both Rey and Kat are Annie's friends. They love Annie, and know that she loves them. She's got slack, and lots of it. And both of them know that in the end, Annie protected Rey by handing control to Kat before handing his totem to Anthony. They're both going to be much happier to see her recover than anything else. |
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Post by setrain on Nov 6, 2015 16:40:44 GMT
You don't have to thank somebody for giving back what they had no right to take in the first place. No, you don't have to. "Having to" is utterly beside the point What I mean is you shouldn't. Giving somebody a thank you (outside of professional "thank you for not smoking" lies) carries an implication that it was the recipient's decision. What ever she chooses to do about her relationship with her father she shouldn't reward him for bringing Renard into it. |
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Post by Refugee on Nov 6, 2015 16:41:27 GMT
I think I've mentioned this before, but if Annie is going to try to free Jeanne and heal the breech between the Court and the Forest, reconciling with her Dad is good practice.
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 6, 2015 16:42:56 GMT
Well... Huh. Okay.
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Post by setrain on Nov 6, 2015 16:54:53 GMT
If he is neurotypical (my opinion) but just a shitty father, then she should continue to remind him of how shit he is (in a nicer way than I am currently doing, I guess). She can spend time with him without forgiving him (which would be a good idea, in my opinion). He has a long way to go to be a decent father still, and shortcutting the process solves nothing. What you're saying amounts to shaming, in an eye-for-an-eye sense. Not sure if you're 100% aware of that, but that's absolutely the sentiment expressed here. And it's really not the way to go. I think Anthony's treatment of Antimony when he first appeared made it pretty clear that shaming doesn't actually accomplish anything except hurt people. She is absolutely in the right to hate him for what he's done, but forgiveness is the only thing that will actually lead to either of them becoming happier and healthier here. Anthony couldn't forgive himself for what happened to Surma, and and look what that did to him. Lacking a father figure in her life has clearly done her more harm than good, and obviously his methods thus far have been extremely shitty. But in order to really improve as a person, he needs to let go of Surma. He needs to accept that it wasn't his fault that she died. And I don't think anyone but Antimony can really help him with that. It's not about what's good for him. Forgiving somebody before you've well and truly stopped making excuses for them, just lets you fall back into making excuses for them. It's not good for her to make his feelings her problem even if she is the best one to help. She needs to hold onto that anger at least a little longer so that she can finally internalize that she deserves better from him. She won't get a father by putting his feelings above her own. What's the use of a father figure that uses up your clarity instead of giving it you and forces you to make them feel better instead of supporting you. There is such a thing as being too early to forgive and if they never get there, she'll be healthier letting him go than if she acts like she's responsible for his happiness. |
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Post by Per on Nov 6, 2015 17:10:54 GMT
Like he totally slammed the door on her too which I guess is his usual amount of cold He says good night. She responds the same. The door goes "click", as it presumably often does when closed. That's what's actually in the comic. |
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Post by fatexx544 on Nov 6, 2015 17:27:39 GMT
If he is neurotypical (my opinion) but just a shitty father, then she should continue to remind him of how shit he is (in a nicer way than I am currently doing, I guess). She can spend time with him without forgiving him (which would be a good idea, in my opinion). He has a long way to go to be a decent father still, and shortcutting the process solves nothing. What you're saying amounts to shaming, in an eye-for-an-eye sense. Not sure if you're 100% aware of that, but that's absolutely the sentiment expressed here. And it's really not the way to go. I think Anthony's treatment of Antimony when he first appeared made it pretty clear that shaming doesn't actually accomplish anything except hurt people. She is absolutely in the right to hate him for what he's done, but forgiveness is the only thing that will actually lead to either of them becoming happier and healthier here. Anthony couldn't forgive himself for what happened to Surma, and and look what that did to him. Lacking a father figure in her life has clearly done her more harm than good, and obviously his methods thus far have been extremely shitty. But in order to really improve as a person, he needs to let go of Surma. He needs to accept that it wasn't his fault that she died. And I don't think anyone but Antimony can really help him with that. I disagree about shaming. I phrased it in a negative sense because I dislike Tony, but letting him know how he falls short definitely would help because he clearly is a bad father, whether he is aware of it or not. Only by informing him of how he has hurt her and expecting him to improve will he understand that he needs to improve. Second, as setrain mentioned, this isn't about what's best for Antony. If he is truly incapable of change, then maybe they shouldn't have a relationship. If he can't measure up and take care of her the way a father should, then he doesn't deserve the title, nor does he require her company. The only reason Annie has suffered for lack of a father is worrying over where he is and what he thinks. If he had died instead of coming back home, Annie would probably be in a better place. That isn't a good thing. |
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Post by setrain on Nov 6, 2015 17:31:37 GMT
Like he totally slammed the door on her too which I guess is his usual amount of cold He says good night. She responds the same. The door goes "click", as it presumably often does when closed. That's what's actually in the comic. I meant that he didn't even invite her in, not the he literally slammed the door. |
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Post by The Anarch on Nov 6, 2015 17:39:06 GMT
Well, that was an awesome chapter. Wonder how this'll look in the book format... It'll have to have its own separate book, of course. Probably cost a little extra too. |
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Post by ryos on Nov 6, 2015 17:48:23 GMT
I love this SO much. It's brilliant, in both the American and British senses of the word. Bravo! Bravo from the peanut gallery!
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Post by Ombre on Nov 6, 2015 17:54:25 GMT
This is so excellent. Gunnerkrigg Court = webcomic with the best writing I've ever read. (Ok, I don't read that many of them, but still.)
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Post by gunnerwf on Nov 6, 2015 18:08:51 GMT
My opinion of Tony went up
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