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Post by SilverbackRon on Jul 26, 2014 21:02:55 GMT
^ Amazing coincidence? She has more similarities to this girl than Zimmy does. I'm with Per on this one, MAL is actually CJG, not Zimmy. Wow, 14 pages! An interesting read, I must say, and a lot on very interesting theories on everything from the very nature of Zimmy/Gamma to the motivations of the powers-that-be that run the Court. So here is my question: Why is Kat just content to grab her suitcase and go aboard with Annie? Shouldn't we be seeing Paz here somewhere? They are in the same class, where is she? I rather figured we should be seeing the girls as a trio on an outing like this (and Annie feeling like a 3rd wheel, or did she get past all that?) ---- Oh, and Peachy Keen or Riot.  well kat and Annie are roommates, so they assembled together and will probably meet paz there, leading to the awkwardNess that this chapter will become! Also nice catch on the corridor jerk girl per! I knew MAL wasn't zimmy, but this is a great candidate. AND it neatly answers why Tom wrote "these guys??", because we have seen them both before, not just Jack! |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 26, 2014 21:06:35 GMT
Just curious (I've given up on converting unbelievers) why would Annie recognize that one girl she saw once years ago?
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Post by fwip on Jul 26, 2014 21:09:45 GMT
So here is my question: Why is Kat just content to grab her suitcase and go aboard with Annie? Shouldn't we be seeing Paz here somewhere? They are in the same class, where is she? I rather figured we should be seeing the girls as a trio on an outing like this (and Annie feeling like a 3rd wheel, or did she get past all that?) well kat and Annie are roommates, so they assembled together and will probably meet paz there, leading to the awkwardNess that this chapter will become! Ummm, Isn't Paz like right there on the last page, going on ahead or something? |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 26, 2014 21:12:57 GMT
No one is entirely sure if that's Paz.
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Post by Lightice on Jul 26, 2014 21:18:12 GMT
If the girl needs to have a prior appearance, I offer corridor jerk girl. Similarities: dark hair and bracelet thingy? She would probably be a year older maybe? Good eye. I wouldn't rule it out, though I doubt it makes much difference. Anyway, I made this cheap comparison in MS Paint to further disprove MAL's Zimmyness:  Wrong skin tone, wrong eyebrows. Being pale and having black semi-straight hair really isn't enough to suggest a same character. Ummm, Isn't Paz like right there on the last page, going on ahead or something? She's grown her hair very fast if that's her; not impossible but I'd like to see her face before making the assumption. They don't necessarily meet before boarding the ship, depending on what kind of arrangements they've made. |
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Post by fish on Jul 26, 2014 21:28:37 GMT
Just curious (I've given up on converting unbelievers) why would Annie recognize that one girl she saw once years ago? She doesn't need to. Jack called out to her, she knows Jack well enough. Also: Why would you bother trying to convert unbelievers? Most of the time it's fruitless work. You could try to sway people who are not really sure, but "unbelievers" (e.g. me) will have their own reasons to "not believe"; would you be easily converted if I presented those? This whole debate is rather pointless anyway since we'll most likely get a definitive answer next week... but I guess such is the way of the Gunnerkrigg Court forum. |
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Post by Elysium on Jul 26, 2014 21:47:59 GMT
well kat and Annie are roommates, so they assembled together and will probably meet paz there, leading to the awkwardNess that this chapter will become! Ummm, Isn't Paz like right there on the last page, going on ahead or something? Paz won't have this outfit is this chapter (source: Patreon). |
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Post by QuotePilgrim on Jul 26, 2014 21:55:00 GMT
AND it neatly answers why Tom wrote "these guys??", because we have seen them both before, not just Jack! Why do you insist that “these guys??” must mean we have seen them, anyway? All that means is that Tom predicted that would be our reaction, as this page was pretty much designed to make us think “wait, is that Zimmy?”. Why do you think he put not only one, but two question marks there? To me, that is obviously to show confusion. Anyway, I don't think this girl is Zimmy (or any known character), but I wouldn't be surprised if it is really her. (Though I think it would completely ruin the character, which happens to be my favorite one.) |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 26, 2014 21:56:59 GMT
I think that if it's really Jack then it's really Zimmy. I don't think the spider residue in Jack's mind would have settled for a look-alike goth, no matter how hot.
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Post by QuotePilgrim on Jul 26, 2014 22:02:46 GMT
Well, I disagree.
We don't know how much “spider residue” is in his mind (if there's still any), anyway.
EDIT: I know this is crazy but... what if this girl is both Zimmy and Gamma?
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Post by Elysium on Jul 26, 2014 22:07:25 GMT
EDIT: I know this is crazy but... what if this girl is both Zimmy and Gamma? I'm puzzled that this theory is even a thing  What possible hint is there apart from wild mass guessing ? |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 26, 2014 22:09:36 GMT
shared features of bot of them
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Post by fish on Jul 26, 2014 22:12:20 GMT
Oh, browsing throgh Faraway Morning again I realized: at the end of their little fight Jack started to call her Annie instead of Carver. But here he calls her Carver again. Is it normal in Britain to call people by their last names in public even if you are on a first-name basis? (Maybe this isn't even Jack but his shaggy twin brother?  ) I'm more inclined to believe this is Esther from Scary Go Round than Zimmy. |
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Post by Elysium on Jul 26, 2014 22:15:00 GMT
What features ? eye shadow ?
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Post by QuotePilgrim on Jul 26, 2014 22:19:12 GMT
EDIT: I know this is crazy but... what if this girl is both Zimmy and Gamma? I'm puzzled that this theory is even a thing What possible hint is there apart from wild mass guessing ? It is just a wild guess. That's why I started with “I know this is crazy”. Anyway, the hint is the fact that she looks a little like Zimmy, but does not act quite like her. (That was not meant to be taken seriously though.) |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 26, 2014 22:19:38 GMT
Jack might feel more distant from Annie after not seeing her for a while. For calling her Carver.
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Post by Elysium on Jul 26, 2014 22:28:54 GMT
I'm puzzled that this theory is even a thing What possible hint is there apart from wild mass guessing ? It is just a wild guess. That's why I started with “I know this is crazy”. Anyway, the hint is the fact that she looks a little like Zimmy, but does not act quite like her. (That was not meant to be taken seriously though.) Yes but it's not the first time someone suggest it, I was like "what made all those people think of that idea ?" |
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Post by fish on Jul 26, 2014 22:29:28 GMT
Jack might feel more distant from Annie after not seeing her for a while. For calling her Carver. It's a shame though, I had hoped they would be getting along better after Faraway Morning. Just as friends. |
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Post by QuotePilgrim on Jul 26, 2014 22:31:44 GMT
It is just a wild guess. That's why I started with “I know this is crazy”. Anyway, the hint is the fact that she looks a little like Zimmy, but does not act quite like her. (That was not meant to be taken seriously though.) Yes but it's not the first time someone suggest it, I was like "what made all those people think of that idea ?" Oh. I guess I should have read the whole thread. At least now I know I am not alone. |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Jul 26, 2014 22:36:36 GMT
AND it neatly answers why Tom wrote "these guys??", because we have seen them both before, not just Jack! Why do you insist that “these guys??” must mean we have seen them, anyway? All that means is that Tom predicted that would be our reaction, as this page was pretty much designed to make us think “wait, is that Zimmy?”. Why do you think he put not only one, but two question marks there? To me, that is obviously to show confusion. Anyway, I don't think this girl is Zimmy (or any known character), but I wouldn't be surprised if it is really her. (Though I think it would completely ruin the character, which happens to be my favorite one.) Fair enough. I am not insisting that it means we must have seen them before. I am just going by Tom's very frequent pattern of commenting on pages with "oh, that guy" when we see a character that we already know and things like that. It is a fairly common thing he does. But no big deal, my friend. |
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Post by Lightice on Jul 26, 2014 22:46:54 GMT
Jack might feel more distant from Annie after not seeing her for a while. For calling her Carver. It's a school thing; you call acquaintances by last name, friends by first. I don't think Jack's ever called Annie by her first name; they never got that close, at least in his mind. |
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Post by leah on Jul 26, 2014 22:52:14 GMT
Just putting my name down as in the "not Zimmy" camp. She's definitely meant to remind us of Zimmy, but I agree with the people who say this is probably a girl Jack picked to be like Zimmy.
Also Zimmy and Gamma are totally a romantic couple. I think the only reason to resist reading them as a couple is because they're two girls instead of a girl and a boy.
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Post by fish on Jul 26, 2014 22:54:29 GMT
Jack might feel more distant from Annie after not seeing her for a while. For calling her Carver. It's a school thing; you call acquaintances by last name, friends by first. I don't think Jack's ever called Annie by her first name; they never got that close, at least in his mind. He did at least once. And I was just wondering about this regression. |
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Post by Lightice on Jul 26, 2014 22:58:36 GMT
He did at least once. And I was just wondering about this regression. I stand corrected. But it looks to me that he was testing the waters, so to speak, and ultimately preferred to keep the distance intact after all that was said and done at that party. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Jul 26, 2014 23:30:52 GMT
It's a school thing; you call acquaintances by last name, friends by first. I don't think Jack's ever called Annie by her first name; they never got that close, at least in his mind. He did at least once. And I was just wondering about this regression. Public gathering instead of private chat? |
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Post by wombat on Jul 26, 2014 23:36:58 GMT
He did at least once. And I was just wondering about this regression. I stand corrected. But it looks to me that he was testing the waters, so to speak, and ultimately preferred to keep the distance intact after all that was said and done at that party. This discussion has got me rereading "Faraway Morning" for fun, and I would just like to throw out that there's this page in which he calls her Annie as well, and in a less hesitant manner. |
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Post by QuotePilgrim on Jul 26, 2014 23:41:57 GMT
Fair enough. I am not insisting that it means we must have seen them before. I am just going by Tom's very frequent pattern of commenting on pages with "oh, that guy" when we see a character that we already know and things like that. It is a fairly common thing he does. But no big deal, my friend. Well, quite often Tom writes his comments as if he's not the author, but just a reader. And it seems to me all instances of “that guy” are this. He writes those comments because that’s what a reader thinks when they see a character they haven’t seem for a while. Anyway, yeah, I should have used some other word instead of insist. Sorry for that. Also Zimmy and Gamma are totally a romantic couple. I think the only reason to resist reading them as a couple is because they're two girls instead of a girl and a boy. I am with you on this one. |
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Post by Kuraru on Jul 26, 2014 23:56:45 GMT
Oh, browsing throgh Faraway Morning again I realized: at the end of their little fight Jack started to call her Annie instead of Carver. But here he calls her Carver again. Is it normal in Britain to call people by their last names in public even if you are on a first-name basis? (Maybe this isn't even Jack but his shaggy twin brother? ) I'm more inclined to believe this is Esther from Scary Go Round than Zimmy.I can confirm that calling people by their surname is not a British Thing - I think it's just a Jack thing. It could be that he knows several "Annie"s, so he uses her surname instead (similarly I am often referred to by my surname, because there are like a bajillion people called "James" in my extended friend group). |
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Post by warrl on Jul 26, 2014 23:56:47 GMT
Oddly enough, I used that show as an example (a bad one) just last night. It ran for nine years, nearly 300 episodes, and had probably close to 1000 romantic couples... and ONE shown-to-be-homosexual character in ONE episode. Plus one case where they thought they had a homosexual couple but it turned out they didn't. but I guess such is the way of the Gunnerkrigg Court forum. Most internet discussion forums have one of two purposes: overthinking things, or screaming insults. I prefer the former. What possible hint is there apart from wild mass guessing? What more is needed? Overthinking can take it from there.  |
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Post by fwip on Jul 27, 2014 0:25:14 GMT
Kmar/Mausolus put together this graph of forum activity using data from the (box)bot he created for the IRC. (posts per hour vs time)  As you can see, last post was large as well, although there were larger posts before Boxbot started up. Edit: 16th page. daaaaaaaaaaaaang |
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