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Post by hifranc on Jul 26, 2014 7:35:59 GMT
I apologise if this has already been said but my eyes started to glaze over by the time I got to the bottom of page 5. My theory is that the Court have been inspired by an old TV series. I think they are using etheric means to bring people's fears and desires to life so that they confront them. What we're seeing is actually an image from Annie's subconscious brought to life by the Court's manipulation of the ether. |
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Post by freeman on Jul 26, 2014 7:39:04 GMT
Which I guess you could interrupt to mean something other than what it would typical mean-- yes, they are a couple of people; yes, they are a couple of friends-- though at that point I feel that understanding their relationship as not being romantic is more speculation than seeing it as romantic would be. Also:they are an odd couple. But if this is not a gaze filled with lust then nothing is gunnerkrigg.com/?p=466One thing about ZimmyXJack is this: "Not a chance" gunnerkrigg.com/?p=737 |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 26, 2014 8:08:10 GMT
I'm going to play the long shot on this one, and guess that it isn't Zimmy - but it is Gamma. Or maybe the two underwent some sort of fusion... (Hey, it could happen.)  The more things change... |
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 26, 2014 9:47:08 GMT
I got you the first time, bro, and all I meant was that I don't think we have seen Zimmy having lost anything yet. Why does everybody conclude that Zimmy has somehow lost her thing - supposing that that girl is Zimmy. Seems like the only way her eyes would look like a normal human being (color and gunk). Plus, otherwise she's probably be with Gamma. There's no sufficient evidence to conclude that only way she'd get more normal eyes would be for her to to lose her etheric connection or even a part of it. Probably is not necessarily. Plausible explanations for why Jack could do, have been given. The interesting thing about improbable events is that in long time they are likely to happen. |
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Post by OrzBrain on Jul 26, 2014 9:47:21 GMT
Looks like Jack's been forcing his poor goth girlfriend to put on extra thick gunky eye shadow again.
I'm frankly mystified how anyone could think that's Zimmy. The eyebrow piercing is definitive proof for me. Zimmy doesn't need to get an eyebrow piercing in order to try to stand out from the crowd and look more interesting. She can stand out whenever she wants, and most of the time when she doesn't want as well. Hell, she can and would make the crowd run screaming in terror.
And gothy bracelets? And black fingernail polish? On Zimmy? Are you kidding? If she could look normal I bet she'd look the furthest thing from goth that she possibly could.
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 26, 2014 9:58:54 GMT
Does anyone notice that water (at least the stuff with ether) is good for Zimmy (it might even was the red away). Water is used for cooling stuff (such as a CPUwater cooler with a huge heatsink) may be just being near it is good enough. Also when are we getting through the rest of the latin alphabet or she could be another one of those latin letters. What about a homiculus. Could be just a red herring. Will Gamma get to learn English or Kat invent a translation device? I that case why didn't they moved her to a seaside location. because they didn't and don't want to? |
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Post by Elysium on Jul 26, 2014 10:05:01 GMT
I that case why didn't they moved her to a seaside location. because they didn't and don't want to? Why wouldn't they ? The whole purpose of finding Gamma and making her tag along with Zimmy was to calm Zimmy, if being near the ocean got rid of the problem altogether, why not do that. I'm sorry but the amount of workaround to justify that MAL is Zimmy is getting ridiculous, I'll stick to my Occlam's razor. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 26, 2014 10:05:05 GMT
Looks like Jack's been forcing his poor goth girlfriend to put on extra thick gunky eye shadow again. I'm frankly mystified how anyone could think that's Zimmy. The eyebrow piercing is definitive proof for me. Zimmy doesn't need to get an eyebrow piercing in order to try to stand out from the crowd and look more interesting. She can stand out whenever she wants, and most of the time when she doesn't want as well. Hell, she can and would make the crowd run screaming in terror. And gothy bracelets? And black fingernail polish? On Zimmy? Are you kidding? If she could look normal I bet she'd look the furthest thing from goth that she possibly could. She does have a "gothy" side to her. "Can't have anyone out there thinking I'm a nice person, haha"Nevertheless, I'm, too, bound to think of this as the best evidence that it's not Zimmy. Although, now that I think of it, it could be for her a way to make herself look normal in a way: she might look like a relatively normal goth, which would make her stand out less from the crowd. It's not as if goths were considered freaky these days. Have to agree with GK Sierra about Jack... It's hard to look at him without laughing, and I understand that those with strong emotions about this character cry inside, and cry all the more the more they feel urge to laugh at this dude. Fortunately, I've never been fond of him. By the way, he's got one of those spider spikes of his hair. because of Zimmy's presence? Maybe they need each other now? |
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 26, 2014 10:07:15 GMT
because they didn't and don't want to? Why wouldn't they ? The whole purpose of finding Gamma and making her tag along with Zimmy was to calm Zimmy, if being near the ocean got rid of the problem altogether, why not do that. I'm sorry but the amount of workaround to justify that MAL is Zimmy is getting ridiculous, I'll stick to my Occlam's razor. Because Zimmy is, for Court, a human experiment? That is, at least, one hypothesis I've stumbled to in here,and not a bad one. They may and probably do want her to be unstable. Maybe they'll assassinate Jack at some point if he calms Zimmy too much. |
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Post by fish on Jul 26, 2014 10:32:06 GMT
I saw some people using Tom's page comment "These Guys??" as evidence for the MAL=Zimmy theory. But as far as I remember, whenever Tom used "This guy" or "These guys" to refer to already known characters, he never wrote it with questionmarks (do correct me if I'm wrong). So I took this comment as a hint that one of these characters might look like somebody we know but isn't.
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Post by Elysium on Jul 26, 2014 11:32:33 GMT
...whatever, be sure not to cut yourself with Arkham's razor.
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Post by wombat on Jul 26, 2014 11:38:23 GMT
I'm frankly mystified how anyone could think that's Zimmy. The eyebrow piercing is definitive proof for me. Zimmy doesn't need to get an eyebrow piercing in order to try to stand out from the crowd and look more interesting. She can stand out whenever she wants, and most of the time when she doesn't want as well. Hell, she can and would make the crowd run screaming in terror. I don't disagree with your conclusion, but like there are reasons beyond wanting to "stand out" or "look more interesting" that could lead to someone getting an eyebrow piercing. |
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Post by Gulby on Jul 26, 2014 12:10:55 GMT
I read until page 8 but after, it's just too much too read, so : I'll just stuck with she isn't Zimmy but, either a look-alike because Jack can't get over her, or an android. Because. And I think it's Jack. And "Those guys ?!" is just to raise more questions amongst us and drive us crazy !  |
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Post by fuzzyone on Jul 26, 2014 13:41:11 GMT
because they didn't and don't want to? Why wouldn't they ? The whole purpose of finding Gamma and making her tag along with Zimmy was to calm Zimmy, if being near the ocean got rid of the problem altogether, why not do that. I'm sorry but the amount of workaround to justify that MAL is Zimmy is getting ridiculous, I'll stick to my Occlam's razor. They din't find Gamma and make her tag along with Zimmy. They found one another before they came to the court. And Zimmy would only go if Gamma could go too. I THINK all that was said in Dobranoc, Gamma, but I could be mistaken. |
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Post by wyverncraft on Jul 26, 2014 14:07:44 GMT
I have suspected from the beginning that Gamma is just a figment of Zimmy's imagination given existence as an emotional crutch. She may still dwell in Gamma's head, watching the outside world through her eyes. This is a really interesting theory, but it would imply Zimmy knows Polish and is jealous of a figment of her imagination. I think that Gamma is a friend she had but lost back in the place she revisits in her hallucination-dream-things, and created her and tried to block out the memories of her death so that she can still pretend Gamma is real, and she relies on her as a constant, a something to lean on, and someone she knows who is stable, and shows how she can, if subconsciously control her power I think that Gamma is a friend she had but lost back in the place she revisits in her hallucination-dream-things, and created her and tried to block out the memories of her death so that she can still pretend Gamma is real, and she relies on her as a constant, a something to lean on, and someone she knows who is stable, and shows how she can, if subconsciously control her power |
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Post by Elysium on Jul 26, 2014 14:28:33 GMT
Why wouldn't they ? The whole purpose of finding Gamma and making her tag along with Zimmy was to calm Zimmy, if being near the ocean got rid of the problem altogether, why not do that. I'm sorry but the amount of workaround to justify that MAL is Zimmy is getting ridiculous, I'll stick to my Occlam's razor. They din't find Gamma and make her tag along with Zimmy. They found one another before they came to the court. And Zimmy would only go if Gamma could go too. I THINK all that was said in Dobranoc, Gamma, but I could be mistaken. True, actually. |
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Post by Per on Jul 26, 2014 16:14:03 GMT
I have no idea why 37+ people think that's Zimmy or why this thread is 14 pages long. If the girl needs to have a prior appearance, I offer corridor jerk girl. Similarities: dark hair and bracelet thingy? She would probably be a year older maybe? If anyone's honestly thinking that might not be Jack, look at the entirety of Faraway Morning, not just when he and Annie are fighting at the end. People were going "WHOA" back then too and he actually de-matures during the course of it. Here's a hypothetical. Assume for a second that it IS Zimmy. She looks happier, healthier, and friendlier than we've ever seen. Would any of us here really begrudge her the chance to be normal, or at least closer to it? Would YOU really be happier if she continued to be strung out and dependent on one person for the rest of her life? She's a fictional character! "The rest of her life" doesn't exist and anyone's free and able to imagine her any way they want if it makes THEM happy. I'm perfectly content to just see what Tom is doing. Partially referring to the spider, I think. |
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Post by Per on Jul 26, 2014 16:21:32 GMT
I think calling Jack's immature crush "real affection" in contrast to Zimmy's relationship with Gamma is weird. Also, as far as I can recall we were given the impression that the one who stops Zimmy/Gamma from having a normal social life is mostly Zimmy. Oh, and I wanted to single this out as my favourite post in the thread. You are forgiven for your prior misuse of the term "trolling". Also, ace avatar+username etc. |
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Post by fwip on Jul 26, 2014 16:26:17 GMT
This is a really interesting theory, but it would imply Zimmy knows Polish and is jealous of a figment of her imagination. I think that Gamma is a friend she had but lost back in the place she revisits in her hallucination-dream-things, and created her and tried to block out the memories of her death so that she can still pretend Gamma is real, and she relies on her as a constant, a something to lean on, and someone she knows who is stable, and shows how she can, if subconsciously control her power I think that Gamma is a friend she had but lost back in the place she revisits in her hallucination-dream-things, and created her and tried to block out the memories of her death so that she can still pretend Gamma is real, and she relies on her as a constant, a something to lean on, and someone she knows who is stable, and shows how she can, if subconsciously control her power Erhm, your bbcode is showing. (Your message appeared inside the quote for my message as well as outside.) Welcome to the forums! |
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Post by The Anarch on Jul 26, 2014 16:36:48 GMT
That's not Zimmy. Nor is that Jack. Nor is that Annie or Kat. Conclusion? Shapeshifting pod people from Planet X here to steal our cheerleaders and force them to work in the plutonium mines on Pluto while brain-sucking viruses living at the center of the Earth conspire to promote Communism among our youth! |
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Post by hypixion on Jul 26, 2014 16:59:48 GMT
I have no idea why 37+ people think that's Zimmy or why this thread is 14 pages long. If the girl needs to have a prior appearance, I offer corridor jerk girl. Similarities: dark hair and bracelet thingy? She would probably be a year older maybe? If anyone's honestly thinking that might not be Jack, look at the entirety of Faraway Morning, not just when he and Annie are fighting at the end. People were going "WHOA" back then too and he actually de-matures during the course of it. Here's a hypothetical. Assume for a second that it IS Zimmy. She looks happier, healthier, and friendlier than we've ever seen. Would any of us here really begrudge her the chance to be normal, or at least closer to it? Would YOU really be happier if she continued to be strung out and dependent on one person for the rest of her life? She's a fictional character! "The rest of her life" doesn't exist and anyone's free and able to imagine her any way they want if it makes THEM happy. I'm perfectly content to just see what Tom is doing. Partially referring to the spider, I think. That girls does look like her D: |
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Post by keef on Jul 26, 2014 17:33:59 GMT
I apologise if this has already been said but my eyes started to glaze over by the time I got to the bottom of page 5. I read until page 8 but after, it's just too much too read Lazy bastards.. I read it all!  (Believe it or not, there is a lot of interesting arguments from both sides.) If true it shows the Courts cruelty knows no bounds. I have no idea why 37+ people think that's Zimmy Reading a comic you expect the characters to be recognizable (probably the reason half the people in manga are blond, when they are supposed to be all Japanese). One of the first things I thought of when the cruise was announced was: are Zimmy and Gamma among that crowd? So when I saw that girl, I assumed she was Zimmy. I would still be sure if there had not been so many people reminding me of all the things Tom has said in and out of Comic about the bond between Zimmy and Gamma. I agree it's hard to imagine they broke up. I think calling Jack's immature crush "real affection" in contrast to Zimmy's relationship with Gamma is weird. Also, as far as I can recall we were given the impression that the one who stops Zimmy/Gamma from having a normal social life is mostly Zimmy. Oh, and I wanted to single this out as my favourite post in the thread. Agreed Have to agree with GK Sierra about Jack... It's hard to look at him without laughing I love it when young people try to find ways to express themselves, and yes sometimes the results are terrible, and no, they are almost never original, but somehow it pisses me off when adults feel a need to ridicule kids because of their appearance. Puberty sucks hard enough without that. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Jul 26, 2014 17:51:56 GMT
Have to agree with GK Sierra about Jack... It's hard to look at him without laughing, and I understand that those with strong emotions about this character cry inside, and cry all the more the more they feel urge to laugh at this dude. Fortunately, I've never been fond of him. Hey, he's 15-ish, unspotted, and with someone. He's living the dream. |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Jul 26, 2014 19:05:52 GMT
If the girl needs to have a prior appearance, I offer corridor jerk girl. Similarities: dark hair and bracelet thingy? She would probably be a year older maybe? ^ Amazing coincidence? She has more similarities to this girl than Zimmy does. I'm with Per on this one, MAL is actually CJG, not Zimmy. Wow, 14 pages! An interesting read, I must say, and a lot on very interesting theories on everything from the very nature of Zimmy/Gamma to the motivations of the powers-that-be that run the Court. So here is my question: Why is Kat just content to grab her suitcase and go aboard with Annie? Shouldn't we be seeing Paz here somewhere? They are in the same class, where is she? I rather figured we should be seeing the girls as a trio on an outing like this (and Annie feeling like a 3rd wheel, or did she get past all that?) ---- Oh, and Peachy Keen or Riot. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Jul 26, 2014 20:13:57 GMT
I am probably overreacting just a wee bit (just maybe). Yeah he landed a hot goth at 15- he's way ahead of the game, but I can't help but be disappointed by his transition to a Shaggy look. He was wicked cool before this and he knew it. Why ruin it with this new vibe?
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 26, 2014 20:21:55 GMT
That's not Zimmy. Nor is that Jack. Nor is that Annie or Kat. Conclusion? Shapeshifting pod people from Planet X here to steal our cheerleaders and force them to work in the plutonium mines on Pluto while brain-sucking viruses living at the center of the Earth conspire to promote Communism among our youth!
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Post by smurfton on Jul 26, 2014 20:32:55 GMT
[Probably could take down Ysengrin with enough planning and etheric fire, but I don't think there's a force on the earth that can take down Coyote. Yet.Despite being the only one in the forest, there are other gods in the Gunnerverse. Even if it would be a deus ex machina to have them do anything at this point, Coyote probably isn't the strongest of them all. We also know from somewhere... that when he gives away an ability, he can no longer use it. Convincing him to give several gifts to people would make him easy to take down. Wasn't Ysengrim nearly defeated in Crash Course? tl;dr: I don't think that they are quite as powerful as you think they are. |
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Post by smurfton on Jul 26, 2014 20:40:32 GMT
Elys, I spent way too long trying to work out whether your avatar was referencing this hat. I feel silly now.
to all those who haven't read the entire thread, nobody's really arguing about whether it's Zimmy anymore. We've agreed on no, the thread is falling off the rails slowly, and mostly we're just discussing Zimmy. |
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Post by fwip on Jul 26, 2014 20:43:56 GMT
[Probably could take down Ysengrin with enough planning and etheric fire, but I don't think there's a force on the earth that can take down Coyote. Yet.Despite being the only one in the forest, there are other gods in the Gunnerverse. Even if it would be a deus ex machina to have them do anything at this point, Coyote probably isn't the strongest of them all. We also know from somewhere... that when he gives away an ability, he can no longer use it. Convincing him to give several gifts to people would make him easy to take down. Wasn't Ysengrim nearly defeated in Crash Course? tl;dr: I don't think that they are quite as powerful as you think they are. Re: Ysengrin was almost defeated I think that that was considered to be physical combat where it would be dishonorable to use any of his etheric powers, which include but are probably not limited to using every tree in the forest as a weapon (and what he did to chase Annie and Eglamore flying here.) Ysengrin is as good as an army when he wants to be in that suit. (Of the Coyote-Renard-Ysengrin group, I think that probably sanity is directly proportional to the power at their disposal. Renard is the least powerful, although it's certainly nothing to sneeze at, and also seems to be the most in control of his actions. Ysengrin is given to bouts of rage, but he's mostly within the bounds of rationality. Coyote is almost totally irrational, but /gave/ Ysengrin and Renard their powers. This is my view on the dog gods.) |
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Post by philman on Jul 26, 2014 20:55:42 GMT
If the girl needs to have a prior appearance, I offer corridor jerk girl. Similarities: dark hair and bracelet thingy? She would probably be a year older maybe? ^ Amazing coincidence? She has more similarities to this girl than Zimmy does. I'm with Per on this one, MAL is actually CJG, not Zimmy. Wow, 14 pages! An interesting read, I must say, and a lot on very interesting theories on everything from the very nature of Zimmy/Gamma to the motivations of the powers-that-be that run the Court. So here is my question: Why is Kat just content to grab her suitcase and go aboard with Annie? Shouldn't we be seeing Paz here somewhere? They are in the same class, where is she? I rather figured we should be seeing the girls as a trio on an outing like this (and Annie feeling like a 3rd wheel, or did she get past all that?) ---- Oh, and Peachy Keen or Riot. well kat and Annie are roommates, so they assembled together and will probably meet paz there, leading to the awkwardNess that this chapter will become! Also nice catch on the corridor jerk girl per! I knew MAL wasn't zimmy, but this is a great candidate. |
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