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Post by aaroncampbell on Jul 25, 2014 21:17:38 GMT
Edit: in case people ask, the symbol between the Greek letters Zeta and Gamma (Zimmy and Gamma's names) is the alchemical symbol for Bismuth. That I did not know and is interesting, cause Tom seems to like that stuff, it could imply they are very important to the court or future of the court or whatever (you know, I just mean that it could imply they are not just some substory, but relevant to the main plot) My guess, and it's a long one, is that it's probably indicative of the Court's experimenting on Zimmy/Gamma (or this Zimma amalgamation) with an effort to perhaps synthesize the seed bismuth. Kinda like how the whole alchemical goal was to make gold or the philosopher's stone, but in this case they're going for something slightly different (and using people as ingredients.) Which makes me think of Charlton Heston, and "BISMUTH IS PEOPLE!"  |
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 25, 2014 21:20:05 GMT
Someone brought up Tom's comment on this page on /r/Gunnerkrigg: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=469Unless Tom was joking there, or has changed some plot ideas he had then until now (completely possible, but he did say he has the overarching story planned out), I think ShutxUp still stands. Lovely, thank you: Tom, the first JackxZimmy shipper! keefThis exactly: "she can alter reality." It should not be strange for her irises to change colour, something that can happen to normal people. Didn't recall that "Jack's got skills" thing. Thanks for that. Plus the summer story thing. Hadn't read it. Fantastic! mariposaWouldn't be the first time that he's (intentionally) stirred us up with uncertainty. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Jul 25, 2014 22:04:39 GMT
I wonder if Tom has had any reaction to our inane babbles? I like to imagine him laughing maniacally. He's probably completely used to it by now, and knew we would flip our shit. Eglamore 2: Eclectic Hullabaloo |
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Post by goldenknots on Jul 25, 2014 22:08:45 GMT
Remember that when Jack tried before, Tom's comment was " Not a chance." I don't think it's Zimmy. |
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Post by csj on Jul 25, 2014 22:08:56 GMT
An interesting question, but perhaps since it raises others. If Gamma is at the Court primarily due to her 'utility' in tandem with Zimmy, then if her assistance is no longer needed, will that affect her tenure at the court? After at least 1-2 years, has she moved from understanding some English, to being able to speak it? What is Gamma as an individual, without Zimmy? |
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Post by csj on Jul 25, 2014 22:11:30 GMT
Remember that when Jack tried before, Tom's comment was " Not a chance." I don't think it's Zimmy.  a wild Tom in its natural habitat |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 25, 2014 22:16:19 GMT
Eglamore 2: Eclectic Hullabaloo Oh my goodness. I am literally rolling on the floor laughing. It's hard to type doing so.  |
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Post by fwip on Jul 25, 2014 22:20:21 GMT
Reasons I'm pretty positive that isn't Zimmy: 1. Her body isn't shaped like that. It's of course possible for an adolescent to become that shapely in such a short amount of time, but, given that Zimmy doesn't take good care of herself and the weird coloration of her skin, I'd always kinda assumed that her frail frame was at least partly due to malnourishment. She's always seemed much smaller than other girls her age; I wouldn't be surprised if her growth was stunted. So it seems impossible to me that she would have grown that much. 2. The body language thing. 3. (The biggest one for me) Tom is a very good comic artist. If he had wanted to show us "Zimmy with some things different about her," I think he would have been able to do so without stirring up so much uncertainty. This character is supposed to have some similarities to Zimmy, but she's a different person. I considered the possibility of this being a dream for a while, but I just don't think Annie would imagine Zimmy that way. While there's obviously much more evidence to suggest that this dude Jack, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was actually his older brother or something. But these are all just my opinions and guesses. Goodness knows Gunnerkrigg has surprised me before. Since when were dreams limited to a single person in the Gunnerverse? |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 25, 2014 22:24:57 GMT
To clarify, I meant Annie hasn't lost her fire elemental side, and I don't think Zimmy would lose something so fundamental to her character either. Sorry for my bad phrasing. I got you the first time, bro, and all I meant was that I don't think we have seen Zimmy having lost anything yet. Why does everybody conclude that Zimmy has somehow lost her thing - supposing that that girl is Zimmy. Seems like the only way her eyes would look like a normal human being (color and gunk). Plus, otherwise she's probably be with Gamma. |
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Post by Goatmon on Jul 25, 2014 23:48:31 GMT
Speaking off subject, there's one more argument why that's unlikely to be Zimmy: MAL is too busty. Counterpoint: Puberty. |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 25, 2014 23:51:32 GMT
^Exactly, puberty can explain a few changes, not all of them, but a few.
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Post by warrl on Jul 26, 2014 0:08:25 GMT
If Gamma is at the Court primarily due to her 'utility' in tandem with Zimmy, then if her assistance is no longer needed, will that affect her tenure at the court? I don't think so, because I think the Court would be interested in Gamma based on herself. Aside from the little problem that a telepathic damper could quite possibly go unnoticed in the absence of someone who desperately needs one (e.g. Zimmy). But since the Court *has* noticed her, I think they would prefer to keep her. I imagine she can speak it passably well. Not necessarily fluently. An incredibly kind and observant person, a telepath, and a telepathic damper. Will that do for a start? |
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Post by Pig_catapult on Jul 26, 2014 0:09:19 GMT
It's obviously Zimmy. The change to normalcy being implicitly the result of receiving real affection / socialization from someone other than Gamma. As to "where is Gamma?", either Zimmy doesn't need her anymore or she could be just offscreen. I think calling Jack's immature crush "real affection" in contrast to Zimmy's relationship with Gamma is weird. So weird, in fact, that it goes into Unfortunate Implications territory, to me. |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 26, 2014 0:15:22 GMT
Having part of someone's mind stuck inside of you and then becoming infatuated with them because of what you learned of their thoughts is not an immature affection. And, again, Zimmy and Gamma have a form of love that transcends romance on an almost cosmic level.
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Post by Fishy on Jul 26, 2014 0:22:44 GMT
Well it's the same hair style and Zimmy does seem like she'd be properly gothic if she wasn't constantly experiencing horrifying hallucinations, but I can't imagine that's her. Like, Zimmy was pretty gothic looking normally, yes, but she was never actually pale... and I'd find it VERY hard to believe that even if she did somehow become un-plagued, she'd spend time with anyone but Gamma. Playful as she may be in the rain, she's still not exactly much of a people person.
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 26, 2014 0:53:37 GMT
I got you the first time, bro, and all I meant was that I don't think we have seen Zimmy having lost anything yet. Why does everybody conclude that Zimmy has somehow lost her thing - supposing that that girl is Zimmy. Seems like the only way her eyes would look like a normal human being (color and gunk). Plus, otherwise she's probably be with Gamma. This also could happen if she is simply kept saturated constantly. Which can be arranged in several ways - from a little tap on an ether station to eating magicked-up cherries, to etheric cuddle pile treatment by Foley kids every week or so. After all, they only need an excuse, and this got Annie sligghtly drunk in seconds, unlike cherries which she by the look of it ate more than a cup, even despite constant talking. Same goes for Gamma - she needs to be constantly present (and trying hard not to fall asleep) only if Zimmy already is in a dangerous condition. And Zimmy always was kind of adorable... just very unkempt.  I'm more concerned about face shapes. Compare. |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 26, 2014 1:11:18 GMT
Jack's face shape has changed, too.
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Post by fwip on Jul 26, 2014 1:19:19 GMT
Seems like the only way her eyes would look like a normal human being (color and gunk). Plus, otherwise she's probably be with Gamma. This also could happen if she is simply kept saturated constantly. Which can be arranged in several ways - from a little tap on an ether station to eating magicked-up cherries, to etheric cuddle pile treatment by Foley kids every week or so. After all, they only need an excuse, and this got Annie sligghtly drunk in seconds, unlike cherries which she by the look of it ate more than a cup, even despite constant talking. Same goes for Gamma - she needs to be constantly present (and trying hard not to fall asleep) only if Zimmy already is in a dangerous condition. And Zimmy always was kind of adorable... just very unkempt. I'm more concerned about face shapes. Compare.I don't think you understand what 'drunk' means. Also, as for the cherries scene, Tom confirmed that they were only intoxicated with sugar. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 26, 2014 1:25:01 GMT
OR they are unbearably lovey-dovey together, hahaha. Right on the first panel they show these two are already wrapped around each other no less than Parley was around Smitface. Good start?  |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 26, 2014 1:38:25 GMT
Having part of someone's mind stuck inside of you and then becoming infatuated with them because of what you learned of their thoughts is not an immature affection. And, again, Zimmy and Gamma have a form of love that transcends romance on an almost cosmic level. Still not mature to lie to her in order to make her dependent. Though that was years ago. |
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Post by fwip on Jul 26, 2014 1:47:22 GMT
Having part of someone's mind stuck inside of you and then becoming infatuated with them because of what you learned of their thoughts is not an immature affection. And, again, Zimmy and Gamma have a form of love that transcends romance on an almost cosmic level. Zimmy's love of Gamma may be cosmically far beyond romantic or sexual love, but it is also born out of simple need. Zimmy needs Gamma. She doesn't need Gamma as a person, she needs the service that she (as far as we know) involuntarily performs. |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 26, 2014 1:49:59 GMT
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Post by fwip on Jul 26, 2014 1:52:37 GMT
Come by the irc sometime. link in my signature. |
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Post by Goatmon on Jul 26, 2014 1:58:35 GMT
I think calling Jack's immature crush "real affection" in contrast to Zimmy's relationship with Gamma is weird. So weird, in fact, that it goes into Unfortunate Implications territory, to me. Thank you, I'm glad someone else had that thought. She's has had far more than her share of problems, but loving another girl isn't one of them, nor should anyone suggest otherwise. Also I've mentioned this at the SE++ discussion on this page, but it's not out the question that Zeta is actually seeing Jack AND Gamma. Tom has been fairly progressive with relationships in his comic, so I'm keeping an open mind. |
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Post by Goatmon on Jul 26, 2014 2:05:34 GMT
Having part of someone's mind stuck inside of you and then becoming infatuated with them because of what you learned of their thoughts is not an immature affection. And, again, Zimmy and Gamma have a form of love that transcends romance on an almost cosmic level. Zimmy's love of Gamma may be cosmically far beyond romantic or sexual love, but it is also born out of simple need. Zimmy needs Gamma. She doesn't need Gamma as a person, she needs the service that she (as far as we know) involuntarily performs. I'm not sure why anyone would think that Gamma is involuntarily helping at this point. The last couple chapters with them have shown that she's well aware of how much Zimmy needs her and she's made the choice to stay by her side and help as much as she can, while also getting on her about doing the right thing. She was most definitely Zimmy's better half in her previous appearances. But that in no way implies that it hasn't been her choice this whole time. Zimmy hasn't been the best kind of friend to her throughout it all, of course, but Annie herself isn't exactly ms. perfect friend to Kat all the time, either. |
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Post by coolpilot on Jul 26, 2014 2:06:04 GMT
Me earlier: "Hmm, you know, it's been quite a while since I blacklisted Gunnerkrigg to focus on getting my own story sorted out, but I have that figured out at this point, so I think it's time to finally catch up with my favorite comic! O(^ ^)O"
*brings up Crash Course*
*laughs, cries, cries PROFUSELY, laughs through the tears, goes AWWWWWWW*
*reaches current page*
...why couldn't I come back to Gunnerkrigg on MONDAY? o(- -;)o
As for the discussion about... whatever it was that we're calling Zimmy/Not-Zimmy right now (I just went through 12 pages of forums, forgive me for forgetting it), I started out in the "that's Zimmy" camp but have slowly switched over to being fairly sure she's not, given all the prior evidence of her look & character. However, knowing how wildly off course theory-crafting can get, and how soon any theories will be confirmed/shot-down, I'll just leave it to Tom to start telling us know who this is & what's going on with them on Monday.
Also, did anyone else notice that the archive doesn't list the chapter number for the current chapter? Haven't noticed that before, so I'm not sure if it's a mistake or the norm 'till the chapter's done.
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Post by warrl on Jul 26, 2014 2:08:25 GMT
Zimmy's love of Gamma may be cosmically far beyond romantic or sexual love, but it is also born out of simple need. Zimmy needs Gamma. She doesn't need Gamma as a person, she needs the service that she (as far as we know) involuntarily performs. Zimmy *originally* needed Gamma as a telepathic damper, not as a person. However, "originally" was quite a while ago. They've been at the Court for nearly three years that we know of. They had been together for some time before that. Let's call it 4 years minimum. The relationship has developed since then. Also, did anyone else notice that the archive doesn't list the chapter number for the current chapter? Haven't noticed that before, so I'm not sure if it's a mistake or the norm 'till the chapter's done. It's nothing unusual for the chapter listing in the archives to show up with the chapter start, or to be delayed by a few days. |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 26, 2014 2:09:48 GMT
coolpilotThis is a comic about MAGIC! Evidence is nothing compared to magical thinking technique of random connection when convenient!! :rolleyes:
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Post by fuzzyone on Jul 26, 2014 2:15:05 GMT
I've just slogged through all twelve (TWELVE?!) pages... I kept seeing people talking about This girl's eyes as being one of the biggest points in declaring her not!Zimmy. To this, I have a question to ask... Based on today's comic: What color are Annie's eyes? Her eye color has been shown multiple times throughout the years from this distance and wider. Frequently. On pages used as evidence of Zimmy's red eyes. But here,today, up close... Annie's eye color is not visible.
ETA: In regards to Jack's goatee... At his age, I was shaving regularly. Granted,I didn't sport my facial hair until after high school, but I certainly started having to do something about it then. At his age, though, he has probably been cultivating that diminutive patch since roughly Faraway Morning. However, if you note his arms, yuo will see some details denoting some Hirsuite tendencies... If my own experience is a judge (I didn't call myself FuzzyOne for nothing) He's probably destined to be the typethat can go from baby's-butt-smooth to needing-to-trim-the-beard inside a month... But I also just noticed he's also put some effort into those sideburns as well. Definitely working to look older there.
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 26, 2014 2:19:15 GMT
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