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Post by Chromascope 3D on Aug 8, 2014 16:29:48 GMT
Cloths are cursed and designers are evil!  |
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Post by snipertom on Aug 8, 2014 16:33:19 GMT
Try looking at athletic cut mens' shirts. The problem doesn't arise for exercise clothing nearly as often as it does the quest to find flattering shirts that are office appropriate, don't show too much cleavage, don't gape in inconvenient places, and don't cut off circulation to my arms. I've been lucky a few times but shopping is generally a horror story for me. try TM Lewin and Charles Tyrwhitt (they have online shops too!) |
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Post by eyemyself on Aug 8, 2014 16:39:01 GMT
Thank you for all the suggestions on clothing but I seem to have confused people. Men's shirts are an even worse fit for me than women's are. I definitely need a curvier cut in the torso than they provide.
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Post by sapientcoffee on Aug 8, 2014 18:16:52 GMT
Haha, yeah, once I knew you were talking about fitted shirts I realised why suggestions were useless, sorry about starting a trend.
Though if there are places near you that alter clothes, they can do some amazing things.
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Post by csj on Aug 8, 2014 18:48:49 GMT
Please, I would be happy to hear an explanation by a "huge gender dork" (love that wording), as the one given by warrl didn't really help me at all, despite having done my fair share of gender studies. Haha if you're sure. The initial definition given in this thread, if I recall correctly, was either "cisgender means you feel comfortable with your biological sex" or "you feel comfortable with the sex you were born as" and I feel these definitions are something of a simplification. They're useful as an entry point and probably the simplest way to give someone an understanding of the topic, but ... you're not "born" a gender. Nobody is "born" a gender, at least not in that way. Gender is assigned. When you are born, a doctor assigns you a gender based on the appearance of your sex organs. Your parents generally go with it and raise you as if you were that gender. Whether you are cisgender or transgender revolves around whether or not you feel dissonance with that gender assignment. If you feel no dissonance with your gender assignment, you are cisgender. If you do feel dissonance, you're trans. Even this isn't a perfect explanation, but I think it's better... Being agender, I hardly have an inherent grasp of what gender is - but I think most people don't. It's just so ingrained that we just... accept it. *snip* [OPINION?] I think what you refer to as 'gender assignment' being 'sex assignment'. Not that mixing gender and sex up is a bad thing (I make that mistake too often for my own liking). Sex assignment usually comes before gender assignment. Where the 'gender assignment' takes place is when the parents make a (generally binary) decision regarding the upbringing of the child. Based on their understanding of the child's sex, gender roles and so forth are applied and the rest is history. Unlike in the past, there is a greater amount of testing done during sex assignment in cases where such simple binary judgements can't be made. Which apparently is quite rare (1/5000?). Evidence of some abnormalities (particularly the more serious ones like the number of sex chromosomes) may be evident later during development, possibly resulting in sex (and/or gender) re-assignment. Sex is usually physiological in its understanding, whereas gender also adds psychological and sociocultural 'stuff' into the mix. The kinda 'stuff' that makes 'gender theory' a legitimate subject for tertiary study (It's an 'Arts' discipline and I'm doing a Science degree, but I wish I could cram it in somehow). [/OPINION] I'll try and expand on this a tad and hopefully provide a little more of a clue as to how 'genetics' fits into this whole deal, since it seems to crop up now and then. Hopefully I've simplified it well. Both sex and gender assignment (if we accept my shitty and probably invalid categorising earlier) rely on physiology ('appearance'), which isn't the same as being able to peer into someone's DNA - let alone their brain. DNA is just a 'blueprint' and not the final product, so we often have to infer ('guess') how various gene segments effect our development. When the effects are psychological, it gets even harder because unlike the number of fingers we have (etc), we can't really turn the complex processes of our brains into numbers. Yet. Not to mention, there are other things besides genetics that influence how we develop - such as epigenetics (chemical reactions that change how our body 'reads/interprets' our 'genetic blueprint') or environmental factors, and these factors continue to influence brain development as we move into adulthood. And all of this affects our 'sex' & 'gender'. It really is headache (pun intended)! Genetics and Psychology are studied in very different ways, so getting them to co-operate on this kinda thing is really, really hard. Hopefully we'll get there someday by bashing the psychologists into submission. Until then, it's impossible to be reductionist about gender without a risk of being wrong. [you are now reading this as lindsey]
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Post by snipertom on Aug 10, 2014 4:25:50 GMT
Thank you for all the suggestions on clothing but I seem to have confused people. Men's shirts are an even worse fit for me than women's are. I definitely need a curvier cut in the torso than they provide. TM lewin and CTshirts do women's shirts which was why i suggested 'em! |
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Post by jasmijn on Aug 10, 2014 17:59:38 GMT
[you are now reading this as lindsey]
For some reason it took me way too long to realise this refers to our multidimensional crustacean friend, and not to the Nostalgia Chick. |
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Post by csj on Aug 11, 2014 14:31:14 GMT
[you are now reading this as lindsey]
For some reason it took me way too long to realise this refers to our multidimensional crustacean friend, and not to the Nostalgia Chick. both are fine |
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Post by nero on Aug 11, 2014 17:05:00 GMT
Maybe Woman could just be Winner Over Man.
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