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Post by keef on Aug 19, 2015 13:50:17 GMT
I'm still interested into the answer to the Twenty Million NuYen Question: Did He Actually Reach Surma? Not Annie. Not "the Fire Inside". SURMA - And if it has reached Surma ... and she is able to talk ... I'm kinda interested in what her last words are going to be, y'know? Well maybe we know very soon, in a way Surma's spirit is standing right next to him. (looking pretty heated...)
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Post by miaindoril on Aug 19, 2015 13:58:55 GMT
"Ha ha" indeed, Carver. No, but seriously, you need therapy and possibly medication. Maybe another punch to the face for good measure, I don't know. My parents are the medical professionals, not me. Christ dude, he only found out that resurrecting his dead wife would harm his daughter AFTER the fact. Don't crucify the man. Look at what he's given up, and what he almost unknowingly gave up. ...and then he came home and was an emotionally abusive ass the daughter who HE HIMSELF HURT. How is anyone forgiving that? Like sure, he's nuts, and he should probably be committed, but he's still a despicable father.
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 19, 2015 13:59:12 GMT
What in the world would these creatures gain out of manipulating him? But why the trick? What was the purpose of the etherics in so cruelly hoaxing Anthony? For the evilulz? Maybe for the bonetenna. I'm doubting he took it with him. They may have a purpose for it. They could feed off emotional pain or self-hatred. Even after he left, the disembodied hand might act as a direct bonetenna to Tony. Maybe, it does more than receive...
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 19, 2015 14:31:47 GMT
What in the world would these creatures gain out of manipulating him? But why the trick? What was the purpose of the etherics in so cruelly hoaxing Anthony? For the evilulz? Maybe for the bonetenna. I'm doubting he took it with him. They may have a purpose for it. They could feed off emotional pain or self-hatred. Even after he left, the disembodied hand might act as a direct bonetenna to Tony. Maybe, it does more than receive... Like I posted before, if it isn't Coyote then we probably won't ever know why (unless the hand shows up again or something). There are too many possible reasons. Stacking onto the ones from before, if he'd been babbling on about how he'd do anything then they might have been "economical with the truth" to spare him the ethical dilemma when they knew he'd eventually go ahead and do it anyway. Maybe the hand itself now has a story of its own or even will become some sort of independent entity and this will serve their needs/wants. Maybe he was bothering them and they encouraged him onto a very self-destructive path just to make him shut up and go away (I can cite an example of when I did that to someone and I am a reasonably nice guy).
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Post by Refugee on Aug 19, 2015 14:34:18 GMT
...and then he came home and was an emotionally abusive ass the daughter who HE HIMSELF HURT. How is anyone forgiving that? Like sure, he's nuts, and he should probably be committed, but he's still a despicable father. Yep. Even I, who defended some of his actions early on, am finding that each revelation makes it more difficult to excuse his conduct towards Annie, not less. I've floated one or two possible explanations--ferex, that he was trying to break her pride so it wouldn't lead her to the same excesses he indulged in--but I still don't think he acted properly. He's far from being a good Dad.
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Post by Refugee on Aug 19, 2015 14:51:28 GMT
For the evilulz? Maybe for the bonetenna. I'm doubting he took it with him. They may have a purpose for it. They could feed off emotional pain or self-hatred. Even after he left, the disembodied hand might act as a direct bonetenna to Tony. Maybe, it does more than receive... Maybe they think they're rescuing the elemental from enslavement to a mere human. Or maybe they want to enslave the elemental themselves. Or maybe they were using the bonetenna to extract etheric energy from Annie and her elemental, in mirror fashion to what the Court is doing with the power plant in the lake. Or maybe they want revenge on the Court for any number of offenses. Or maybe Jeanne has been issuing orders.... Too many possibilities to sort out as yet.
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Post by Trillium on Aug 19, 2015 15:48:12 GMT
For the evilulz? Maybe for the bonetenna. I'm doubting he took it with him. They may have a purpose for it. They could feed off emotional pain or self-hatred. Even after he left, the disembodied hand might act as a direct bonetenna to Tony. Maybe, it does more than receive... Maybe they think they're rescuing the elemental from enslavement to a mere human. Or maybe they want to enslave the elemental themselves. Or maybe they were using the bonetenna to extract etheric energy from Annie and her elemental, in mirror fashion to what the Court is doing with the power plant in the lake. Or maybe they want revenge on the Court for any number of offenses. Or maybe Jeanne has been issuing orders.... Too many possibilities to sort out as yet. Eww, I hope the bonetenna was good for only one call. If it became an artifact to be used over and over again...that's unsettling. Then there's how the Court comes into this. Back on page 1550 Tony said, "Like a fool I thought I could escape the Court's eye." So the Court knows something about what Tony was doing when he went Walkabout. Now Tony is back teaching at the School. Some kind of arrangement was made. The Court may have something to do with how Tony has been treating Annie.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 19, 2015 16:16:03 GMT
Eww, I hope the bonetenna was good for only one call. If it became an artifact to be used over and over again...that's unsettling. Anthony should know how to make another even though the Mk. 1 got fried. Even if he missed the importance of it being a surgeon's hand they might by chance get a dead murderer's (which I think is more traditional) or a skilled craftsman's. Or a devoted gamer's. Even if not, they'll eventually figure out how to get their hands covered in glory again (heh).
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Post by The Anarch on Aug 19, 2015 16:36:58 GMT
"Ha ha, and here- here's the best part! Ha ha! When I arrived back at the court, I didn't tell Antimony about any of this! Ha ha! I didn't try to explain any of my actions or apologize for my part in causing her harm! Instead, get this, instead, I just starting being as strict and emotionally frigid with her as possible, because I couldn't handle my own emotions regarding what happened! Ha ha ha ha! I am quite probably the worst father, husband, and even human being that ever there was! It is to laugh oh god help me donny"
Oh, fairy whiskey, you are a cruel mistress.
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Post by dd500 on Aug 19, 2015 16:42:19 GMT
It seems like a lot of people don't understand that Tony isn't laughing because he finds the situation light-hearted or humorous. He's laughing at how much of a fool he was, and how he was so easily deceived, using laughter to relieve some of the tension of describing his catastrophic failure. It's actually pretty similar to how Annie was laughing at herself on this page: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1512. Tony expresses a lot of different things, but he isn't expressing happiness or joy when describing how he sacrificed his hand and hurt his daughter to be tricked into thinking he could see his wife again. Personally, I think people need to lay off Tony. It's kind of pointless to keep on condemning him and ranting about how he's a despicable father and needs to do X and Y to atone for his actions and make up with Annie (ostensibly to gain the approval of GKC readers...?). Sure, he's not a good father but 1) he's a fictional character and 2) Tom will develop Tony and the story as he sees fit. Tom's proven himself to be an excellent story teller with the ability to develop fascinating characters, and I think he's done a brilliant job with the whole Carver family story arc; I haven't been this excited to read GKC updates in a while. Also, why doesn't Coyote get as much hate as Tony does? Coyote literally tricked his own cousin into killing an innocent person. And if what he does to Ysengrin isn't abuse, I don't know what is.
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Post by Refugee on Aug 19, 2015 17:12:39 GMT
Also, why doesn't Coyote get as much hate as Tony does? Coyote literally tricked his own cousin into killing an innocent person. And if what he does to Ysengrin isn't abuse, I don't know what is. Oh, but Coyote is so much fun to watch as he goes about playing his silly tricks! And Ys is such a stuffed shirt! Er, tree. Whatever. And Renard--who can help teasing someone besotted of an unattainable love! Coyote is just trying to help everyone lighten up and have as much fun as he does! === Ahem. Yeah, this arc has been fabulous, legendary, literally. The stuff of fables and legends, yes? And literary as well? nudge nudge wink wink? I haven't felt the need to comment here for a long, long time. Tom's storytelling speaks for itself. But wow, this is just brilliant, brilliant stuff, and Tony was getting some serious hate before we had any idea of what was going on.
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Post by ninjaraven on Aug 19, 2015 17:29:17 GMT
It seems like a lot of people don't understand that Tony isn't laughing because he finds the situation light-hearted or humorous. He's laughing at how much of a fool he was, and how he was so easily deceived, using laughter to relieve some of the tension of describing his catastrophic failure. It's actually pretty similar to how Annie was laughing at herself on this page: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1512. Tony expresses a lot of different things, but he isn't expressing happiness or joy when describing how he sacrificed his hand and hurt his daughter to be tricked into thinking he could see his wife again. Personally, I think people need to lay off Tony. It's kind of pointless to keep on condemning him and ranting about how he's a despicable father and needs to do X and Y to atone for his actions and make up with Annie (ostensibly to gain the approval of GKC readers...?). Sure, he's not a good father but 1) he's a fictional character and 2) Tom will develop Tony and the story as he sees fit. Tom's proven himself to be an excellent story teller with the ability to develop fascinating characters, and I think he's done a brilliant job with the whole Carver family story arc; I haven't been this excited to read GKC updates in a while. Also, why doesn't Coyote get as much hate as Tony does? Coyote literally tricked his own cousin into killing an innocent person. And if what he does to Ysengrin isn't abuse, I don't know what is. It would seem that first impressions really are everything - Coyote was presented as a jovial, personable creature when first introduced whose terrible manipulations were only revealed later, whereas Tony's first introduction to the comic was to insult Annie and crack down on her. Both have done terrible things to those close to them. I am still unsure of why Tony was so rude to Annie, but perhaps her wearing her mother's makeup reminded him of what he had nearly done to her in his attempt to contact Surma and he had her get rid of it so he could at least focus on getting through the class? We're still waiting on how/why he ended up back at the Court, seeing as he seems to severely dislike the Court. While Tony certainly has not been a good father to Annie, he does care about her enough to not want her to come to harm on account of his actions, and he seems to deeply regret that his actions did cause her harm. How do you tell your child that the reason you're missing a hand is because you used it to try to contact their mom and managed to harm them in the process, anyway??
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Post by Trillium on Aug 19, 2015 17:57:33 GMT
It seems like a lot of people don't understand that Tony isn't laughing because he finds the situation light-hearted or humorous. He's laughing at how much of a fool he was, and how he was so easily deceived, using laughter to relieve some of the tension of describing his catastrophic failure. It's actually pretty similar to how Annie was laughing at herself on this page: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1512. Tony expresses a lot of different things, but he isn't expressing happiness or joy when describing how he sacrificed his hand and hurt his daughter to be tricked into thinking he could see his wife again. Personally, I think people need to lay off Tony. It's kind of pointless to keep on condemning him and ranting about how he's a despicable father and needs to do X and Y to atone for his actions and make up with Annie (ostensibly to gain the approval of GKC readers...?). Sure, he's not a good father but 1) he's a fictional character and 2) Tom will develop Tony and the story as he sees fit. Tom's proven himself to be an excellent story teller with the ability to develop fascinating characters, and I think he's done a brilliant job with the whole Carver family story arc; I haven't been this excited to read GKC updates in a while. Also, why doesn't Coyote get as much hate as Tony does? Coyote literally tricked his own cousin into killing an innocent person. And if what he does to Ysengrin isn't abuse, I don't know what is. This this may be the first time Tony has told anyone about what happened. He is talking to his closest friend while having had several glasses of hard liquor. This is part therapy session and part confession. His, "Haha," laughter would be considered emotional discharge as he talks about deeply personal and emotional incidents. He could just as easily be sobbing. This might be the only way he can express some emotions. If we were hearing the tone of his voice it would tell us a lot more. He has a lot of grief and pain to face up to and work out. He is fessing up to a lot. I suspect there is a lot of shame involved. How Annie works through all this information will be interesting to watch. Don has taken a lot on himself bringing her in on this very personal situation.
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Post by pxc on Aug 19, 2015 18:01:24 GMT
How do you tell your child that the reason you're missing a hand is because you used it to try to contact their mom and managed to harm them in the process, anyway?? I don't know. I didn't make the choices he did to put himself in that situation. But he did, so he needs to figure it out. Not mistreat his daughter after abandoning her for years.
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Post by quark on Aug 19, 2015 18:23:22 GMT
It seems like a lot of people don't understand that Tony isn't laughing because he finds the situation light-hearted or humorous. He's laughing at how much of a fool he was, and how he was so easily deceived, using laughter to relieve some of the tension of describing his catastrophic failure. It's actually pretty similar to how Annie was laughing at herself on this page: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1512. Tony expresses a lot of different things, but he isn't expressing happiness or joy when describing how he sacrificed his hand and hurt his daughter to be tricked into thinking he could see his wife again. Personally, I think people need to lay off Tony. It's kind of pointless to keep on condemning him and ranting about how he's a despicable father and needs to do X and Y to atone for his actions and make up with Annie (ostensibly to gain the approval of GKC readers...?). Sure, he's not a good father but 1) he's a fictional character and 2) Tom will develop Tony and the story as he sees fit. Tom's proven himself to be an excellent story teller with the ability to develop fascinating characters, and I think he's done a brilliant job with the whole Carver family story arc; I haven't been this excited to read GKC updates in a while. Also, why doesn't Coyote get as much hate as Tony does? Coyote literally tricked his own cousin into killing an innocent person. And if what he does to Ysengrin isn't abuse, I don't know what is. It would seem that first impressions really are everything - Coyote was presented as a jovial, personable creature when first introduced whose terrible manipulations were only revealed later, whereas Tony's first introduction to the comic was to insult Annie and crack down on her. Both have done terrible things to those close to them. To be honest, I don't think it's first impressions, it's focus. When Coyote is a terrible dog, he's getting heat for it as much as Anthony is, but at the moment he's not showing up anywhere. Also, he does everything for shits and giggles, so he's as much cruel as he is kind. Laying off Anthony: Yes, saying that Anthony is a terrible father doesn't add anything, but the reasons for why one may think so do, at least for me. I would find the reasons for why you don't think so also very interesting. I think, as others have analysed before me, that he is driven by guilt and self-hatred; he treats himself the way he treats Antimony except that he feels that Antimony isn't as good as he is (not as smart, not as diligent). I don't think he realises or wants to realise how much he hurts her. It's still pretty infuriating, because he makes everything, EVERYTHING, again about himself. That is the character trait that props up the most - he is disappointed, he is inconvenienced, his wife died, he suffered, he cried, he hates himself. He can't see the pain of others - Surmas maybe, but he completely ignores that Annie lost her mother (and takes away her father), he doesn't care about Donalds feelings (not once has he asked anybody how they are).
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Post by wombat140 on Aug 19, 2015 19:23:07 GMT
I still don't get why he is angry with Antimony? I don't think he actually is. He was angry with her the first day because she'd been cheating in class (fair enough), and maybe because coming home and being faced with Antimony dressed up to the nines and getting more swaggeringly awesome every day seemed like a massive kick in the teeth to Surma (not fair enough, but the guy'd been through rather a lot recently). Antimony backed down, reverted to being the good little girl Anthony knew, and he thinks that's the end of it. He's not blanking her now because she's in disgrace - he's blanking her because HE's in disgrace. Trouble is, he's so busy being in disgrace, I don't think he's even noticed that Antimony isn't happy with being the good little girl, because he's a twerp. Tony, it's time for you to take one for the team and... let yourself off already.
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Post by Refugee on Aug 19, 2015 19:29:33 GMT
I still don't get why he is angry with Antimony? I don't think he actually is. He was angry with her the first day because she'd been cheating in class (fair enough), and maybe because coming home and being faced with Antimony dressed up to the nines...Which reminds me of a thought I had mowing the lawn: Maybe he made Annie take off her make-up because it's not hers; it's her Mom's. Anthony, still in torment over having been tricked into thinking Annie was Surma, and hurting her thereby, simply could not bear to see Annie with Surma's face. He needed, desperately, to see Annie as herself, to be reassured he was seeing the true Annie, and not Surma. If Annie had worn her own colors, he probably wouldn't have noticed.
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Post by Sadie on Aug 19, 2015 19:30:13 GMT
Huh, well! It seems my concerns that certain persons wouldn't be able to put together the pieces in regard to Annie's "Divine" collapse were completely unfounded! Good job, Donnie.
So Tony somehow realized or had it revealed that his wife-calling antenna was actively hurting his daughter.
This puts understanding his character at an interesting crux. The seeming right response would’ve been to rush back to his daughter's side (presumably after a few months to recover from self-amputation with only local anesthetic), confess everything, ask for her forgiveness, work through their various feelings together and apart as needed, then commit to providing stable support and care for her emotional well-being.
But we know that that degree of honesty and vulnerability from Tony to someone he's never been that open with just wasn't going to happen. She (in his own mind) could only hate the man that killed her mother, so clearly once she knows that he nearly killed her too, she couldn't possibly (in his own mind) ever want to see him again. Obviously her rejection of him is a forgone conclusion (still in his own mind), so why would he go to her just to open his already bleeding heart to that additional pain? Better to stay far, far away from her where he can't hurt her again.
Which goes back to the question of why the hell is he even here.
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Post by wombat140 on Aug 19, 2015 19:43:14 GMT
Either 1) he got lonely enough that he forgot about being in disgrace, or 2) nothing to do with Annie, his presence was required for earth-shattering Court experimental-techno-etheric-alchemical-alien project. I hope it's 2); the whole Anthony-Antimony story is wonderful to read, but it will no doubt be even more interesting if while they're going through all this, something actually happens and requires dealing with. Just to make life more complicated. And well, even if it's not 2), I can't believe the fallout from all the things Tony's been getting up to will be only emotional...
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Post by Per on Aug 19, 2015 19:51:43 GMT
Laying off Anthony: Yes, saying that Anthony is a terrible father doesn't add anything, but the reasons for why one may think so do, at least for me. I would find the reasons for why you don't think so also very interesting. Here's my take on it, if that's also of interest to anyone: Antimony is fictional. Anthony is fictional. Everything that happens to them happens in the abstract. There is no actual abuse (if we decide to call it that) going on. No one needs to be protected from anything. This is obviously the story that Tom wants to tell. I am here for that story. If the story includes Anthony abusing Antimony, that's super fine. He should abuse her to hell and back if Tom thinks that's part of the story he wants to tell. Antimony, you suck and you had it coming and you should feel so bad, and your little fire spirit too! To me, wishing that this abuse wouldn't happen or that Anthony should be forcefully ejected is the same as wishing that Tom wouldn't tell the story. Do these people generally boo at unsympathetic or flawed or antagonistic characters in their fiction and cry for them to pack up their stuff and go home so the rest of the cast can get on with it? No, this is "it". In fact it's a pretty big "it" in this story. Incidentally, it continually amazes me what people find flabbergasting about developments in general.
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Post by tootsiren on Aug 19, 2015 19:52:02 GMT
Hey everybody, I'm new.
Anybody want to give me odds on Tony somehow straying into the RotD? A lot of the dead animals/physical sacrifice stuff seems reflective of Tony's mental state at the time: death-obsessed but newly-opened to etheric possibility. That seems awfully similar to the way the RotD changes appearance to suit the viewer.
I'm thinking Tony somehow entered into the RotD via an unapproved method (hence the physical toll, he didn't have gate clearance). Rather than encountering a surly-but-dutiful librarian like Annie & Kat he ended up in the RotD's equivalent of a back-alley, where he stumbled upon a bunch of hardcases who decided to torture him.
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Post by warrl on Aug 19, 2015 19:55:17 GMT
Then there's how the Court comes into this. Back on page 1550 Tony said, "Like a fool I thought I could escape the Court's eye." So the Court knows something about what Tony was doing when he went Walkabout. We don't know that. We only know that Tony thinks that, and that somehow either Tony contacted the Court (which would be easy enough) or vice versa resulting in Tony coming back to the Court as a teacher.
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Post by Per on Aug 19, 2015 19:58:54 GMT
My head-on statement that a certain sect of the forum has claimed maliciousness is certainly without immediate sources (nor did I claim individual persons such as you were responsible), and I retract it. Nope! Retracting that statement is not an option for man nor beast. If there's no sect, how do you explain the giant hate lens that is reverently passed from acolyte to acolyte so they can continue to make absolute and unsupportable statements about Tony for each new page? That's no man-made artifact, I tells you.
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Post by Per on Aug 19, 2015 20:00:05 GMT
Which reminds me of a thought I had mowing the lawn: Virtual high five for also thinking about webcomics forums while mowing the lawn!
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Post by Sadie on Aug 19, 2015 20:48:35 GMT
2) nothing to do with Annie, his presence was required for earth-shattering Court experimental-techno-etheric-alchemical-alien project. I like this idea too! I'd been going for the idea that they wanted him back just to deal with Annie, but wanting him back for something unrelated would be very interesting. A big extra kink in the whole father-daughter relationship, though. The question then is why did he bother making contact with Annie at all? It seems like him hiding out in the Court without her ever knowing would be completely achievable.
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Post by pxc on Aug 19, 2015 21:08:52 GMT
Laying off Anthony: Yes, saying that Anthony is a terrible father doesn't add anything, but the reasons for why one may think so do, at least for me. I would find the reasons for why you don't think so also very interesting. Here's my take on it, if that's also of interest to anyone: Antimony is fictional. Anthony is fictional. Everything that happens to them happens in the abstract. There is no actual abuse (if we decide to call it that) going on. No one needs to be protected from anything. This is obviously the story that Tom wants to tell. I am here for that story. If the story includes Anthony abusing Antimony, that's super fine. He should abuse her to hell and back if Tom thinks that's part of the story he wants to tell. Antimony, you suck and you had it coming and you should feel so bad, and your little fire spirit too! To me, wishing that this abuse wouldn't happen or that Anthony should be forcefully ejected is the same as wishing that Tom wouldn't tell the story. Do these people generally boo at unsympathetic or flawed or antagonistic characters in their fiction and cry for them to pack up their stuff and go home so the rest of the cast can get on with it? No, this is "it". In fact it's a pretty big "it" in this story. Incidentally, it continually amazes me what people find flabbergasting about developments in general. Others are not required to enjoy the comic the same way you do, and your lack of understanding of others' perspectives doesn't make those perspectives invalid.
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Post by davidm on Aug 19, 2015 21:38:45 GMT
Probably already been said: The sooner we kill Renard the better the world will be, while Daddy was trying to get his wife back, Renard was intentionally trying to kill Annie/take her body. We still don't have the full story yet, and still people are still ready to crucify. Annie herself in her anger put her friends lives in danger. We still have the court working on Omega device, the fake "spirit guides" that were if follows usual story "demons looking for some extra souls/power", lots of ways plot goes, and normally we have concept of hearing the full story before playing judge. On omega device, love boat may be linked which may show how dangerous court can be, we still have option that Daddy is acting coldly towards his daughter with intent of protecting her.
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Post by wombat140 on Aug 19, 2015 21:48:25 GMT
Hey everybody, I'm new. Anybody want to give me odds on Tony somehow straying into the RotD? A lot of the dead animals/physical sacrifice stuff seems reflective of Tony's mental state at the time: death-obsessed but newly-opened to etheric possibility. That seems awfully similar to the way the RotD changes appearance to suit the viewer. I'm thinking Tony somehow entered into the RotD via an unapproved method (hence the physical toll, he didn't have gate clearance). Rather than encountering a surly-but-dutiful librarian like Annie & Kat he ended up in the RotD's equivalent of a back-alley, where he stumbled upon a bunch of hardcases who decided to torture him. Inspired. Don't know whether it's what Tom has in mind or not, but it's good. They do if they have a forum dedicated just to sitting around chatting about the comic. I don't think (unless I missed some) that anybody's actually calling, IRL, for Tom to stop writing this stuff; it's just the equivalent of booing at the pantomime villain. Virtual popcorn all round.
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Post by youwiththeface on Aug 19, 2015 22:10:54 GMT
He seems so amused about being tricked into doing something at Annie's expense. No signs of regret, just a grin at the whole thing. Unless the next page has him drunkenly breaking down about it in front of Donny (or something at least), Tony is still a lost cause. He's just way too happy in his exposition, booze or not. Yeah I found his lack of reaction at the fact that what he did had a bad effect on Annie kind of disconcerting. To antiyonder: Anthony lost his wife because Surma's life was not his to save. No action he might have taken, that we know of, would have saved her, other than refusing to have a child with her. To nepycros: Self-hatred over something you cannot change is a twisted, highly sinful form of pride. If Anthony has in fact treated Annie so badly out of guilt, then his infallible bomb-diggity self image is indeed toxic. I am still prepared to find out, though, that his perceptions and actions were imposed on him by the etherics, possibly as an attack against a member of the Court; possibly against Annie or her elemental--either as a member of the Court or in her own right. Jones once told Annie that she put many people at risk when, in emotional turmoil over her Mother's deception of Renard, she ran off into the forest. Could it be that her little escapade was when the entities that attacked Anthony gained enough leverage to do so? No less toxic than any other character who brazenly attempts to fight against the flow of the world, often unknowingly putting others at risk. Annie, on more than one occasion, has endangered herself and her friends with little more than a shrug, and simply because everything turned out alright in the end she's praised as being a motivated character. When Tony, pushed with a devotion that defines him as a character, ends up stumbling and failing, he's heralded as the single most vilified being in GK, far worse than even Coyote in his prime act of dickishness. Maybe this is because Annie is still a child and is still learning and doesn't have a child depending on her and none of that is true of Tony? What's actually kind of funny in a screwed up way is that when Antimony first asked about his hand he asked her if it was her business. Looks like it was, after all.
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Post by l33tninja on Aug 19, 2015 22:11:39 GMT
That makes a great deal of sense. At least from the diagnostic standpoint; I make no claim it makes moral sense, because it's still a despicable, selfish thing to do. Knowing this, will Annie conclude that she needs her elemental to " deal with" her Father, so she can swoop in to Anthony's place and confront him? === But why the trick? What was the purpose of the etherics in so cruelly hoaxing Anthony? Was there any purpose, beyond their own amusement? I'm going to agree with this take on Anthony's psyche. I genuinely believe his screwups are a case of 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions' coupled with crippling social awkwardness already present in his youth. It's clear he's also someone who highly values technical or academic skill judging from his overall personality, and someone who would be uncomfortable with the ether due to mostly identifying with the world through factual logic; like his response to Don's reply about how he should know if he liked Brinnie. His behavioural issues and dependency on being competent have resulted in him acting very selfishly to try and stay afloat after losing his wife, because now he can't even reconcile with his self-hatred enough to speak to his daughter properly, and didn't reach out to the people who could have helped him. I think maybe from the forest creatures we have previously gathered that elementals are rarer nowadays? Going to have to check on the accuracy of this, but I'm sure getting your etheric paws on something as powerful as an elemental would be awesome. I agree completely with Nepycros. I have read a bunch of posts that are pretty narrow-minded towards Anthony; we who know practically nothing of the man, and knew even less a few weeks ago when he returned to the Court. All I can say is that Tom is an expert storyteller to be able to manipulate his readers like this. He made us (I speak somewhat figuratively with the "us") hate Anthony, and now he has let us walk a mile in his shoes and see that perhaps we judged to hastily. I dislike his treatment of Annie to an indescribable degree, but still, I am not him. Until we know where he has been, it is unwise to judge him too harshly.
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