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Post by legion on Mar 7, 2011 8:47:40 GMT
Ouch. This page burns I agree that the role reversal here is very interesting. But also, frightening. Also, reading this page while upbeat swing jazz was playing in the background created a weird dissonance, I must say.
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Post by theweatherman on Mar 7, 2011 8:58:02 GMT
To be honest, I'm glad it's this way, I don't think I could handle a chapter full of Annie and Kat raging at eachother.
Still, Annie might have a good excuse but come on, she abandoned her best friend to go screw around with elves and make shoes, nobody likes elves Annie :/
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Post by bingli on Mar 7, 2011 8:59:09 GMT
Yennoe, something I've been wondering for a while is whether any similar 'break up' happened between Surma and Anja. It could explain why Annie never met Anja or Kat before coming to the Court. I mean, if Surma and Anja were still as close is it is portrayed they were during their school days, wouldnt Anja want to come see her friend before she died and say her goodbyes? And it is made fairly clear that Anja and the others all knew what was going on.
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Post by Fhqwhgads on Mar 7, 2011 9:02:51 GMT
Another thought: Y'know, from Kat's viewpoint, Annie might as well be channeling her dad at this point, insofar as the wandering-off-with-no-notice thing is concerned. Could almost be viewed as a bit of hypocrisy on Annie's part, knowing what that sort of behavior does to people and then doing it anyway?
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Post by Eversist on Mar 7, 2011 9:13:26 GMT
[their] characters almost seem reversed. Yennoe, something I've been wondering for a while is whether any similar 'break up' happened between Surma and Anja. It could explain why Annie never met Anja or Kat before coming to the Court. I mean, if Surma and Anja were still as close is it is portrayed they were during their school days, wouldnt Anja want to come see her friend before she died and say her goodbyes? And it is made fairly clear that Anja and the others all knew what was going on. Another thought: Y'know, from Kat's viewpoint, Annie might as well be channeling her dad at this point, insofar as the wandering-off-with-no-notice thing is concerned. Could almost be viewed as a bit of hypocrisy on Annie's part, knowing what that sort of behavior does to people and then doing it anyway? I love coming to the forums, because you guys always have observations that I would have never realized (or it would take me a day or two of ruminating on a page to come to these conclusions). -- I'm so happy that Kat is upset with her, as awful as that sounds. Annie did a pretty shitty thing to her, and for her to get off scott-free would have been unfair. At least she didn't call her Antimony... then you would KNOW that she's over the friendship. Both of them have matured so much over the summer. Lovin' the haircut! Edit: P.S. Cookie for kinda calling the elevator?
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Post by hal9000 on Mar 7, 2011 9:18:34 GMT
This is actually a pretty mild response considering that, from Kat's point of view, Annie bailed without a word after they'd been planning a summer trip for some time.
To be a bit contrary to the general attitude of this thread, I hope Tom continues to develop this for another few chapters before fully resolving it, as a conflict between these two could end up being pretty interesting.
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Post by Max on Mar 7, 2011 9:20:21 GMT
Yennoe, something I've been wondering for a while is whether any similar 'break up' happened between Surma and Anja. It could explain why Annie never met Anja or Kat before coming to the Court. I mean, if Surma and Anja were still as close is it is portrayed they were during their school days, wouldnt Anja want to come see her friend before she died and say her goodbyes? And it is made fairly clear that Anja and the others all knew what was going on. Tom said somewhere that Surma broke off all contact with her friends when she left the Court. Anja didn't know of her death until she received Annie's transfer notification.
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Post by Rex on Mar 7, 2011 9:21:59 GMT
Your best friend ditching your for 2 summer vacations (for whatever reason) must come across poorly. Who knows what else Kat may have gone through over the summer, much like Annie has. Like everyone else has said, this scene just oozes awkward.
On another note, I love how our question about access to that place has been answered with the lift. Reminds me of the underwater mako reactor in FFVII.
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Post by noblemanofreason on Mar 7, 2011 9:40:08 GMT
This is actually a pretty mild response considering that, from Kat's point of view, Annie bailed without a word after they'd been planning a summer trip for some time. To be a bit contrary to the general attitude of this thread, I hope Tom continues to develop this for another few chapters before fully resolving it, as a conflict between these two could end up being pretty interesting. Fair enough. I suppose that makes sense. I just don't want this to be a permanent change.
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Post by Ignotus Somnium on Mar 7, 2011 9:44:03 GMT
That is a cool 'do, Kat. I also love how Annie is the one being anxious here, and Kat is reserved. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
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Post by hal9000 on Mar 7, 2011 9:50:44 GMT
This is actually a pretty mild response considering that, from Kat's point of view, Annie bailed without a word after they'd been planning a summer trip for some time. To be a bit contrary to the general attitude of this thread, I hope Tom continues to develop this for another few chapters before fully resolving it, as a conflict between these two could end up being pretty interesting. Fair enough. I suppose that makes sense. I just don't want this to be a permanent change. I dunno, the two of them becoming rivals over this could also be interesting (though admittedly the chances of that happening are almost non-existent).
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Post by theheroineseven on Mar 7, 2011 9:55:00 GMT
Well I definitely saw something like this coming. There was no way for Kat not to be upset about being blown off. I wonder what Jones told her--if she had an idea why Annie did it, but at the same time was not cool with the whole being ditched part. Your best friend ditching your for 2 summer vacations (for whatever reason) must come across poorly. However, for the first summer, Annie wanted to wait and see if her dad would come and pick her up for the summer, and Kat knew about that. It wasn't like Annie had agreed to be spending the summer with her like she did in this instance. As hal9000 noted, they had been talking and planning about all the fun things they were going to do and Annie impulsively ran into the forest and decided to stay without really thinking about the consequences. Kat at least had a heads up the year before. Although I guess the technicalities don't really matter--Annie decided to go off and do her own thing twice. Annie does seem to have realized that she messed up pretty big, and I couldn't help but find her overeagerness endearing even while know that saying, "Look I made these boots for you!" will do very little to help the situation. I do hope the two of them can sort things out eventually. I feel sad for the both of them since I've been there, but I am glad that it's going to lead to some interesting character development. But man is it going to be awkward for a while. They're neighbors, it's going to be hard to avoid each other. That of course only serves to make things more interesting.
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Post by Alex on Mar 7, 2011 10:08:14 GMT
Not a big fan of the new haircut.
Also, guys, Kat may be jetlagged. She's probably also pissed, etc., but it may not be as bad as it looks.
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Post by theheroineseven on Mar 7, 2011 10:17:24 GMT
Not a big fan of the new haircut. Also, guys, Kat may be jetlagged. She's probably also pissed, etc., but it may not be as bad as it looks. That's true, I guess we won't really know until Wednesday. But the fact she blew by Annie without a word doesn't seem too promising. I don't know what to really think about the haircut, I mean it's sort of cool, mostly because it's different. I'm thinking Tom gave her a new haircut to show how she, like Annie changed over the summer. They're both beginning to look a little more grown up. And was I the only to notice that Kat's clothes seems to be a tad less tomboyish?
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Post by jasmijn on Mar 7, 2011 10:19:22 GMT
Yay, drama! (What? I said I'd be disappointed if everyone just forgave Annie!)I'm so happy that Kat is upset with her, as awful as that sounds. Annie did a pretty shitty thing to her, and for her to get off scott-free would have been unfair. Exactly!
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Post by noblemanofreason on Mar 7, 2011 10:24:47 GMT
Not a big fan of the new haircut. Also, guys, Kat may be jetlagged. She's probably also pissed, etc., but it may not be as bad as it looks. True. Wouldn't put it past Tom to completely surprise us and have Kat reconcile with Annie. Oh, people will complain, but it is these surprises that keep us interested. I am hoping for this.
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Post by Yin on Mar 7, 2011 10:26:03 GMT
I just want to know now exactly how much of A&R's fight does Kat know about. Up to 'she never loved you'? Up to 'you killed your mom'? Or just 'we had a bad fight and she ran away into the forest'?
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Post by theheroineseven on Mar 7, 2011 10:26:40 GMT
Yay, drama! (What? I said I'd be disappointed if everyone just forgave Annie!)I'm so happy that Kat is upset with her, as awful as that sounds. Annie did a pretty shitty thing to her, and for her to get off scott-free would have been unfair. Exactly! It's gotta happen. As much as I feel for Annie, she's has to face up to the consequences of her actions--she has to learn that she can't just do things and expect to come out alright every time, especially when it might hurt other people. That said, being someone who's played the Annie role (unfortunately), the situation sucks for both of them and I hope they work it out eventually.
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Post by Fhqwhgads on Mar 7, 2011 10:30:33 GMT
I think I'll just go ahead and wildspec right now a break between the two that lasts until Annie has to get Kat out of a jam somehow using her Mighty & Fabled Brand New Etheric Firespike Powers(tm).
...what? it's a wildspec. shut up
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Post by theheroineseven on Mar 7, 2011 10:35:25 GMT
I think I'll just go ahead and wildspec right now a break between the two that lasts until Annie has to get Kat out of a jam somehow using her Mighty & Fabled Brand New Etheric Firespike Powers(tm). ...what? it's a wildspec. shut upIt could totally happen. ;D
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Post by signsonthewalls on Mar 7, 2011 10:48:45 GMT
First time poster~ I always take years to join forums for comics I love. :C
Also: Called this. 8'D Or, at least... my conclusion rather was that since Kat and Annie seem to be opposites in many ways, whereas Annie became more open and (overly) feminine over the summer, I figured Kat's reaction may have led to her become more reclusive, at least in regards to her friend(?).
Personally, I feel like Annie deserves this... Yes, finding out that she was the one responsible for her mother's death is something momentous and traumatizing, but she didn't run to her best friend for help, she ran away. Nevermind that the people of the forest and Coyote might know more about the situation, she LEFT Kat without a second thought. Kat vowed she wasn't going to let her spend a summer alone, that she was going to be there for her friend, and in a way Annie threw that all in her face. :C Least that's how I figured. I could be wrong.
Also, also: Love Kat's haircut. <3 And that SHIRT!! Can we see that shirt in the store plz?
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Post by coreshadow on Mar 7, 2011 11:04:51 GMT
thoughts going through my head right now: 1: thats an awsome haircut 2: did anyone at the court think to tell kat where annie actually went? 3:how awkward will it be when eglamore (yes that guy) shows up? 4:bear in mind kat's had an entire summer to think/brood over this, and its hard to maintain extreme emotions that long 5: will they still be in the same classes? 6:is everyone at the school gonna be super-wary of annie now? 7: can annie cope with that without kats support? and 8: i have no popcorn :-(
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Post by Alexandragon on Mar 7, 2011 11:14:21 GMT
Hm... I think that's Court's influence on Kat.
P.S.: Is that 2 years last from the moment([294]) when Annie said that she will has no message from her father for 2 next years?
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Post by Eisenblume on Mar 7, 2011 11:20:20 GMT
Oh God, that is exactly how I would have reacted. =/ I'd guess she feels so hurt she's afraid of showing emotion at all for fear of showing just how hurt she is. She's angry, of course, but I think it's more hurt. I hope Kat explodes. That's usually easier to deal with. And nicer to look at. =/ It pains me to see Kat likes this even though I think she has every right to be. I'm glad that she doesn't just forgive Annie. It was a shitty thing Annie did, and she should be called out on it.
It's interesting. Annie and Rey fought before, so they both are guilty. Therefore the hurt was equal and easier to forgive. But Annie just leaving Kat was rather mean as well as just one-way hurt. Kat is the only one who had to feel pain in their particular grudge, therefore she doesnät forgive Annie as easily.
I like. =) It's believable psychology!
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Post by nadar0cosain0amber on Mar 7, 2011 11:23:40 GMT
Hallos all, new poster!
Just wanted to comment Kat's reaction and mannerisms here remind me a lot of Jones's.
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Post by junebug on Mar 7, 2011 11:24:44 GMT
kat has probably been badly affected by a lack of antimony after she ran away and possibly things she's experienced [possibly changes?] over the summer. Just as Antimony has changed. And probably also by being left hanging like that. Remember, Annie never asked 'can Kat come, too?', or think particularly hard on whether she should spend her summer with Kat or in the forest. A cool trip with your parents and your best friend is usually much more interesting than just a cool trip with your parents while your best friend decided to rather stay in the magic forest without inviting you to join her.
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Post by Chemical Rascal on Mar 7, 2011 11:39:53 GMT
I'm thinking Kat might be upset after finding out that Annie was stealing her homework. But more than that, I think she's probably really hurt that simply disappeared for the summer without warning or explanation. Who wouldn't? Rey returned the homework, remember? But what if Jones returned it to Annie's room after that? There's clearly a conspiracy to drive them apart, people. Clearly.Ouch. This page burns Oh, it doesn't just burn. It tans.
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Post by vollie on Mar 7, 2011 11:48:52 GMT
I have braces so I would not be able to have popcorn anyway. ;_; Alexandragon: No, that'd be the end of this year, not the beginning, unless Tom is taking some liberties with time. (Still, sooner than ever oh my god yesss) That is one killer haircut, Kat. But on a separate note, does anybody think a lot of people are going to get this attitude toward Annie? Especially the kids who were raised in the Court ie. Kat? Annie may not be an Ice Queen anymore, but she probably looks like a huge weirdo now, just like her mum did. Won't surprise me if we get some Hyland Sr.-esque "send her to Chester" comments in the future. Normally I'd think Kat would still love Annie anyways, but the whole Summer Break thing just went too far I guess. ...And that leaves Annie's (few) other friends. No clue on whether Parley and Andrew will care. Shadow2, Robot and Mort (I miss Mort) won't mind at all. Zimmy and Gamma, if you consider them friends, also probably won't. Jack might think it's weird but I bet he'll be fine with it, not only because he's crushing on her but because he'd be getting the same comments if the spider went through. Eggers, Anja, etc will probably be drowning in Generation Xerox when they see her, so anything with them will be super awkward times. And Jones...you never know with Jones. Imagine what she had to tell the Headmaster coming back from the forest. (Then again she's Jones, so) Which makes me wonder if it would be different if Annie's group was more close-knit, like Surma's was. It almost seems like if one of them didn't like another, they'd stay for others they were close to and make up. But here it's just Annie and Kat, really, with everyone else on the sidelines. Perhaps Kat will hang with Paz for awhile? She's the only kid besides Annie Kat seems to get along really well with. (Hey, and that gives Spring Heeled and A Bad Start another purpose: giving Annie and Kat others to hang out with once this happens) whoa i did not mean for this wall of text, oh triple wow
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Post by heranje on Mar 7, 2011 12:36:56 GMT
Loving Kat's haircut. They both have grown up so much! As for the awkwardness... yeah, saw that coming. She had a happy reunion with Rey, it would be unrealistic if the same happened with Kat. The way I see it, this can go two ways. Either Annie, dejected and not sure how to deal with Kat's indifference, will back down and slink back to her room, which would probably lead to a tense and awkward separation between them at least for a while - which might turn out to be a good thing, because it might give the both of them a chance to make some other friends and not depend so heavily on each other, which at a point of reunion could lead to a more healthy friendship. Right now, as someone pointed out, their friendship really is founded on both of them being the only actual friend (not counting peripheral acquaintances like Parley, Smit and Paz) the other one has, which is not I think the best reason to be friends. That, or Annie, armed with her newfound powers of being open about her emotions, will confront Kat, hopefully apologize but explain why staying in the forest was so important to her and how much it's helped her - which could either lead to a massive fight and separation or them making up, either "for real" or as someone suggested just a surface reconciliation with lingering resentment that might surface at a later point and in the meantime hurt their closeness... Those are my predictions. I'm excited to see how Tom will prove me completely wrong. Another guess: something has happened over the summer (perhaps Kat discovered something about her parents/the court, or something else took place) where Kat really needed Annie to help her through it, and part of this coldness is resentment because Annie wasn't there when Kat needed her.
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Post by vollie on Mar 7, 2011 12:48:24 GMT
I keep making posts but this leads to another thing! Check out the beginning of Chapter 2. Like everyone else has said, it's almost as if Kat and Annie have switched places. Like heranje said, I think something happened over the summer to make her be so stoic right away. If I was Kat and I had bad feelings, I would probably look visibly more sad or angry. We can probably assume Annie's stoicness at the beginning comes from her Mom dying and just growing up (she acts a lot like her dad). I don't think something that happened to Kat would be as major, but yeah, bet she found something out. Hey, Anja was put in Chester her first year, right? We know why Surma was, now. Perhaps Kat found out why her Mom was.
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