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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 19:47:36 GMT
sentora But doesn't he love— wait, Renard might feel inclined to come back to the Woods now that he knows the truth. I don't think what you said is likely at all, but I can see where are you coming from.
Your second theory is also plausible.[/font]
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Post by hal9000 on Nov 24, 2010 19:48:20 GMT
For people who prefer not to see colored text (myself included), I think I have a solution: 1. Install Stylish: addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108/2. Add this script: @-moz-document domain("gunnerkrigg.proboards.com") {
font { color: inherit !important; font-family: inherit !important; }
}
Edit: some minor improvements to the script.
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Post by zylonbane on Nov 24, 2010 19:49:03 GMT
People can use a nice, eye pleasing, blue font if they like without being an attention-whore. Theoretically. But wait... It feels so weird using no color, though. See what I mean? Allec feels compelled to consistently draw attention in the most superficial way possible. Sheesh, we already have avatars, which are automatic. The notion that Allec manually recolors every. single. post. that he (she?) makes is just... repellent. It's AW OCD.
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Post by Snes on Nov 24, 2010 19:51:33 GMT
See what I mean? Allec feels compelled to consistently draw attention in the most superficial way possible. Sheesh, we already have avatars, which are automatic. The notion that Allec manually recolors every. single. post. that he (she?) makes is just... repellent. It's AW OCD. Dude, quit being a judgmental jerk. Just let the guy be.
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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 19:54:09 GMT
zylonbane Since I use this same color in many other forums, most of which have other people who use other colors, some of which are roleplaying boards, I have a shortcut to it in my keyboard, so it is no harder than typing the letter b. Is it really that much troubling to you? Is just a color, and until you pointed it out everyone was focusing on the discussion, which is what we should be doing anyway.[/font]
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Post by jayne on Nov 24, 2010 19:57:22 GMT
People can use a nice, eye pleasing, blue font if they like without being an attention-whore. Theoretically. But wait... It feels so weird using no color, though. See what I mean? Allec feels compelled to consistently draw attention in the most superficial way possible. Sheesh, we already have avatars, which are automatic. The notion that Allec manually recolors every. single. post. that he (she?) makes is just... repellent. It's AW OCD. That's just stating a preference.... just let it be, its not a matter for the internet police and you're... not Batman! (that was a dramatic pause)
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Post by Alexandragon on Nov 24, 2010 20:00:04 GMT
Wow, Annie's face is really freaking me out. I'm going to go have nightmares. Agree, it's horrible. And she is so angry an sadistic((( Rey looks really bad...
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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 20:02:05 GMT
jayne Hahahaha! For some reason, I imagined Jack crashing through a window, but I guess that would be... Spiderman?
(Insert rimshot here.)
Alexandragon Agreed, she looks very psychotic and unnerving.
It has been a while (well, about half a chapter) since I was so eager to see the next page.[/font]
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Post by Spike on Nov 24, 2010 20:06:55 GMT
Wha-
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Post by Spike on Nov 24, 2010 20:12:54 GMT
It makes sense, really. Because, you know, the lecture didn't involve the shoving of her father, and the lashing out didn't involve sadistic insanity.
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 24, 2010 20:21:25 GMT
Rey in panel 2 just crushes me, and then she just keeps going...
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Post by johnwwells on Nov 24, 2010 20:32:00 GMT
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experimentNote similarities: Young, untrained person given absolute control over a prisoner. Reinforcing cues from inhumane superiors that manipulation and cruelty are EXPECTED on some level. Isolation (here by enforced secrecy) Dehumanized, vulnerable subject Whether or not Rey baited her is not the real problem here.
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Post by Amethyst on Nov 24, 2010 20:47:54 GMT
Can someone make a "HUGE BITCH BLUH BLUH" of Annie now?
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Post by christopher on Nov 24, 2010 20:48:19 GMT
Wow, what a stone cold bitch...
There are lines you just don't cross and they BOTH ran right past about seven of them.
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 24, 2010 20:50:37 GMT
I half expect the first panel of the next page to be from the opposite angle, showing Kat at the door, with the saddest face.
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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 20:58:59 GMT
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Post by jayne on Nov 24, 2010 21:01:35 GMT
Wow, what a stone cold bitch... There are lines you just don't cross and they BOTH ran right past about seven of them. Just to be fair, what do you call Rey? Stone cold bastard?
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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 21:12:54 GMT
This really, really freaks me out.
I know people pointed it out before in this very thread, but I was reading the page again and damn, she is very scary.[/font]
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Post by jayne on Nov 24, 2010 21:32:53 GMT
There's this guy I know... I lose my temper with him all the time and when I get the better of the argument, I act like Annie... "IN YOUR FACE!!! I"M RIGHT!!!"
I swear, she's not thinking of how his heart is breaking... she's caught up in the fight.
If she had a sadistic streak in her, she'd have let Eglamore keep him in the first place!
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Post by lkm on Nov 24, 2010 21:33:45 GMT
Since Annie's possible motives (psychological and pubertical both) have been explored pretty well, I thought I'd throw out a Wild Speculation theory: That this is actually a side-effect of what happened on the banks of Annan Waters.
Don't get me wrong -- Rey was provoking her, and Annie has certainly shown the capacity for anger before (as what happened with Mort when she thought he was trying to lay a claim on her by giving her the blinker stone), so some of it feels natural. However, the gleeful sadism is a new development, and feels out of character. What really put it over the edge from "hurt teen finally snapping" to "this feels a little off" was her sudden willingness to command Rey to do things that will actively hurt him. Friends fight, but that's beyond the pale IMO, especially for someone who, as has been noted, has total control over another sentient being.
Parley and Annie were both affected by Jeanne's raw emotions. For Parley, it seemed to have been positive; feeling Jeanne's own love and grief of its loss made her admit that she loved Andrew. Annie, though, is much more etherically sensitive: she was down there much longer, with no protection from a spirit who is by its own admission just hatred and rage; which had already dealt a wound to her etheric body; and (maybe most insidiously) was herself in proximity to the device that stripped away Jeanne's humanity until just the sight of happiness enraged her.
'Course, even if Annie has been tainted somehow, the anger clearly didn't come from nowhere. It's definitely hers. However, I wonder if it was exacerbated by the events of Coward Heart, making her more prone to losing her temper and more willing to go farther than she would have when she does. Hell, from what we've seen Jeanne herself had a pretty high temper in life, so maybe that's what the device did to her ghost. (And since Annie's also spent most of her life suppressing her emotions, which was really obvious in A Handful of Dirt, so a possible "infection" definitely has a lot to work with.)
Alternately, y'know . . . PMS.
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Post by Spike on Nov 24, 2010 21:42:53 GMT
Since Annie's possible motives (psychological and pubertical both) have been explored pretty well, I thought I'd throw out a Wild Speculation theory: That this is actually a side-effect of what happened on the banks of Annan Waters. Don't get me wrong -- Rey was provoking her, and Annie has certainly shown the capacity for anger before (as what happened with Mort when she thought he was trying to lay a claim on her by giving her the blinker stone), so some of it feels natural. However, the gleeful sadism is a new development, and feels out of character. What really put it over the edge from "hurt teen finally snapping" to "this feels a little off" was her sudden willingness to command Rey to do things that will actively hurt him. Friends fight, but that's beyond the pale IMO, especially for someone who, as has been noted, has total control over another sentient being. Parley and Annie were both affected by Jeanne's raw emotions. For Parley, it seemed to have been positive; feeling Jeanne's own love and grief of its loss made her admit that she loved Andrew. Annie, though, is much more etherically sensitive: she was down there much longer, with no protection from a spirit who is by its own admission just hatred and rage; which had already dealt a wound to her etheric body; and (maybe most insidiously) was herself in proximity to the device that stripped away Jeanne's humanity until just the sight of happiness enraged her. 'Course, even if Annie has been tainted somehow, the anger clearly didn't come from nowhere. It's definitely hers. However, I wonder if it was exacerbated by the events of Coward Heart, making her more prone to losing her temper and more willing to go farther than she would have when she does. Hell, from what we've seen Jeanne herself had a pretty high temper in life, so maybe that's what the device did to her ghost. (And since Annie's also spent most of her life suppressing her emotions, which was really obvious in A Handful of Dirt, so a possible "infection" definitely has a lot to work with.) Alternately, y'know . . . PMS. I said this before... she didn't seem quite different when in Anja's laboratory/workshop/unit. I was told it was too soon to tell.
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Post by Eversist on Nov 24, 2010 21:47:47 GMT
Making angry eyebrows and smiling at the same time is super-duper-creepy.
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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 21:48:37 GMT
Pretty good theory, but personally, I feel it is way more scary to think what we are seeing is the real Annie.[/font]
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Post by lkm on Nov 24, 2010 21:50:33 GMT
I said this before... she didn't seem quite different when in Anja's laboratory/workshop/unit. I was told it was too soon to tell. I figured somebody might've, but I was too lazy to check any thread but this one. Happens with an active forum.
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Post by aegis on Nov 24, 2010 22:13:53 GMT
Perhaps Eggers will shed some light on the situation. He might be the best at diffusing/diverting Annie's anger since he had to deal with Surma's for so long.
Not only is Eglamore the only other father-figure type (since Coyote and Ysengrin are not options) able to add some discipline into Annie's life, but he's entirely immune to the "she-never-loved-you" attack.
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Post by jayne on Nov 24, 2010 22:20:10 GMT
Perhaps Eggers will shed some light on the situation. He might be the best at diffusing/diverting Annie's anger since he had to deal with Surma's for so long. Not only is Eglamore the only other father-figure type (since Coyote and Ysengrin are not options) able to add some discipline into Annie's life, but he's entirely immune to the "she-never-loved-you" attack. Ah but there's still the deadly, "She loved you and YOU BLEW IT!" attack! /shudder
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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 22:29:22 GMT
Perhaps Eggers will shed some light on the situation. He might be the best at diffusing/diverting Annie's anger since he had to deal with Surma's for so long. Not only is Eglamore the only other father-figure type (since Coyote and Ysengrin are not options) able to add some discipline into Annie's life, but he's entirely immune to the "she-never-loved-you" attack. Ah but there's still the deadly, "She loved you and YOU BLEW IT!" attack! /shudder NOOOOO MY POOR SURMA!
Then he starts licking Annie.[/font]
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Post by Sadie on Nov 24, 2010 22:41:31 GMT
I really want to second Jayne on the "Annie isn't aware of Reynardine's feelings, she's getting satisfaction out of being right" concept. But I think that she is doing it to punish him for hurting her, so she does mean for it to be a good hard stab in the gut and enjoying that she's hitting her mark. I do agree that she's not fully aware of how MUCH it's hurting, or has the potential to hurt.
I find it weird that her telling him to shut up and get in his box has been presented as a better alternative to this. It's generally played for laughs in the series itself and Annie doesn't do it in a mean spirited way, but that's uh.... not any nicer than what she's doing right now. It's still taking away his control and self-determination. At least now he can verbally defend himself.
Other stuff: it's interesting how Reynardine describes Anthony as "not feeling anything but disdain" and Annie, who's normally very empathic and non-judgmental, falls into dismissive, disdainful language when angry.
"He's not a boy, he just ghost." "How could she love a creature like you?"
Somebody learned it at home.
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Post by sebastian on Nov 24, 2010 23:13:50 GMT
That is not just cruel, that is stupid. She is telling Reynard exactly what Anja asked her not to tell. And she is soon going away with the Dolans while Reynard will stay in the Court, alone and unguarded . this is not something you can patch up in a couple hour, unless she give him really specific instructions, if he want to escape he'll find a way around his limitations or a loophole around the rules.If he didn't until now it was because he didn't want to, this could be going to change now. and even if she give him bombproof instructions when she'll be back she will find a really uncooperative demon-plush toy to handle.
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Post by jayne on Nov 24, 2010 23:30:04 GMT
That is not just cruel, that is stupid. She is telling Reynard exactly what Anja asked her not to tell. And she is soon going away with the Dolans while Reynard will stay in the Court, alone and unguarded . this is not something you can patch up in a couple hour, unless she give him really specific instructions, if he want to escape he'll find a way around his limitations or a loophole around the rules.If he didn't until now it was because he didn't want to, this could be going to change now. and even if she give him bombproof instructions when she'll be back she will find a really uncooperative demon-plush toy to handle. Yup, many things will make people do stupid things and rage is top on the list.
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