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Post by jaen on Nov 24, 2010 17:17:43 GMT
Troll face. The trolliest face!
I feel kind of sorry for Renard. He must be really bummed after hearing this.
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Post by theweatherman on Nov 24, 2010 17:27:06 GMT
I'm on the side of "both are being stupid" Rey should have known better than to attack Annie's depiction of her dad so hard, and Annie shouldn't of sadisticly targeted his love for Surma.
Somehow I bet Rey will completely lose it and go off into a massive rage.
We're talking growing fifty metres, and going RED.
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Post by legion on Nov 24, 2010 17:29:20 GMT
Welp, 5 pages already.
So hm, some sidenotes:
1) you don't have to be a saint to be among those people who, while they do get angry, do not enjoy doing so; I always thought that people who found a relief in anger, hate and cruelty had issues they ought to take to a psychologist.
2) "an eye for an eye" is not, actually, a universal moral principle (and is in fact rarely the basis on which justice systems are constructed).
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Post by jayne on Nov 24, 2010 17:35:27 GMT
It's the expressions. What Annie is doing and saying wouldn't seem so bad if it wasn't for the sadism and glee in her face. That's what makes me think this is more than just a teenage lash-out, but I'm not sure. There's just something about her body language that's so... off. I mean, look at her posture in panels 2 and 5 and her face in 4 and 5 (especially 5, god that's a creepy Annie) - she seems almost predatory and she's loving it. She's not just speaking without thinking, she's relishing in Renard's misery. It may just be that we're seeing another side of Annie, though. If you think of her as the result of the combination of her mother (feisty, prone to anger - at least as a teenager, as we've seen) and her father (cold, distant), you've got that fire hidden underneath her poised exterior, and you know what happens when you bottle up emotions for too long. But... this isn't just anger. This would be true if she's thinking of his feelings at all. I don't think she'll get around to that until she calms down.
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Post by lucifiel on Nov 24, 2010 17:44:24 GMT
Anyways, sheeze, she reminds me of some of the teachers I had. They weren't always that nice when they got mad.
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Post by paxjax123 on Nov 24, 2010 17:47:14 GMT
I just reread the page and now I'm close to tears. Just LOOK at Rey's face. He doesn't want to believe it. He just looks so helpless.
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Post by exdevlin on Nov 24, 2010 17:57:32 GMT
This is a cruelty I never would've seen in Annie. She's really driving the point home to the point of torture. Her expression is no longer merely angry, but the added smile makes it sadistic. "How could she ever love a creature like you?" The phrasing might have been less insulting to Rey, since using the word 'creature' isn't exactly insulting to one who was originally a fox, but the needle's in there. The cruelty is when she commands Rey to repeat what she's said, like forcing a prisoner to repeat untruths until they believe it. That's something you would've done if you'd wanted to really break someone.
Suddenly, Annie, who was never very bossy, has become cruelly commanding, both in the fact that she's being controlling, as well as what she's commanding Rey to do..
This has been a total 180 in her character, and it's frightening.
On Rey's side, I'm not sure how he'll react either. He may just be crushed and despondent after finding out his love that he had with Surma was entirely an illusion. I wonder what he was going to change into before Annie just stopped him in his tracks. I would guess that he feels very much like a miserable prisoner now. Forced to answer to the commands of a spiteful girl who is the only daughter of the woman he thought loved him.
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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 18:06:28 GMT
Forced to answer to the commands of a spiteful girl who is the only daughter of the woman he thought loved him. Really drives the point home, huh?[/font]
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Post by satanicpuppy on Nov 24, 2010 18:07:38 GMT
I don't think it's a 180, I don't even think its out of character. When she's upset, she goes for the throat...You just don't see it very often. She's obviously very protective of her dad.
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Post by jayne on Nov 24, 2010 18:23:48 GMT
Hi, I'm Jayne and I'm a bright side seer. These two have been avoiding/ignoring a lot of conversations and this blow up might be painful but maybe they'll both get some stuff out of their systems. Maybe they'll get some things said! (Like did he really try to kill her?) Lets see if some good comes of it. Rey has heard the truth (as we know it) and as painful as that may be, at least he does know it.
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Post by satanicpuppy on Nov 24, 2010 18:26:57 GMT
Clearing the air and then patching things up might bring them closer than ever, though I've got a hard time seeing Rey taking this that lightly. He might try to bolt, get to Coyote so he can get back into his old body, hide somewhere in the court 'till things cool down or, if the suspicion of eglamore-assisted-suicide aired in one of the previous post is correct he might try and put himself in a position where the court deems him to dangerous to keep around. This. Right now their relationship is grounded on some serious problems. He doesn't see her, he sees her mother. She's got to walk a crazy line between (effectively) owning him and lying to him constantly about both the Court and the Wood. I think this overreaction needs to happen to force her to swing far enough the other direction.
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Post by zylonbane on Nov 24, 2010 18:37:22 GMT
Really drives the point home, huh? [/font][/quote] You're just going to keep doing the blue-text thing, aren't you?
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Post by Snes on Nov 24, 2010 18:43:53 GMT
Wow, that was kind of shocking. Something tells me she's going to regret being this harsh to him.
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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 18:49:13 GMT
Really drives the point home, huh? [/font][/quote] You're just going to keep doing the blue-text thing, aren't you?[/quote] Yes. Is it a problem? I use this color in other forums as well, but I can stop if everyone is bothered by it.[/font]
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Post by satanicpuppy on Nov 24, 2010 18:53:48 GMT
Is anyone else really looking forward to some direct exposure to her dad?
Everyone describes him as cold and emotionless, but, honestly, haven't some of the same labels been applied to Annie as well? But we live on her shoulder, we know she's got a serious depth of emotion, even if she seldom expresses it.
I feel like her resemblance to her mother, her possession of some of her mothers talents, and their shared role in the Court may be blinding others to the fact that she's more her fathers daughter. She doesn't really seem much like Surma (can you imagine Annie flirting? The mind boggles...), though we've not had much exposure to her either...
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Post by jayne on Nov 24, 2010 19:00:43 GMT
You're just going to keep doing the blue-text thing, aren't you? Yes. Is it a problem? I use this color in other forums as well, but I can stop if everyone is bothered by it.[/font][/quote] I think it just bothers Zylonbane... because all fonts should be black!! The fact that the forum message dialog allows people to choose whatever silly color they feel like is obviously a known bug. (It doesn't bother me)
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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 19:03:03 GMT
jayne Thank you.
satanicpuppy I seem to recall Tom answering in his formspring that everyone that saw Antimony thought she was just like Surma... until they talked to her.[/font]
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Post by satanicpuppy on Nov 24, 2010 19:04:44 GMT
jayne Thank you.
satanicpuppy I seem to recall Tom answering in his formspring that everyone that saw Antimony thought she was just like Surma... until they talked to her. [/font][/quote] Meh. I don't normally get involved in the whole forum dissection thing, but I had to wallow in it a bit after that last page. Apologize if I'm bringing up old material.
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Post by Elaienar on Nov 24, 2010 19:05:36 GMT
You know after reading this page and thinking about the chapter title, the thing I'm wondering the most is what Surma would have done to Hyland if Eglamore hadn't stepped in. I mean, assuming that "fire spike" refers to Antimony becoming more like her "fiery" mother, that is.
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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 19:09:16 GMT
satanicpuppy Oh, no, sorry, I didn't mean to say you were bringing up old stuff, I was just pointing out that you were right.
Elaienar Your comics are really, really funny. Just wanted to say that.[/font]
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 24, 2010 19:11:59 GMT
You're just going to keep doing the blue-text thing, aren't you? Yes. Is it a problem? I use this color in other forums as well, but I can stop if everyone is bothered by it.[/font][/quote] I believe it's the same color as a link on this forum. The first time you used it, I hovered to see what you were linking to. Since then, I've stopped looking for links when I see your avatar.
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Post by Snes on Nov 24, 2010 19:20:09 GMT
You're just going to keep doing the blue-text thing, aren't you? Yes. Is it a problem? I use this color in other forums as well, but I can stop if everyone is bothered by it.[/font][/quote] To be honest, I find the color a bit confusing because it's the same color used when someone posts a hyperlink. That's really my only complaint.
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Post by zylonbane on Nov 24, 2010 19:26:36 GMT
Colored text in forum posts is a sign of attention-whore syndrome. Which of course, must be crushed painfully.
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Post by jayne on Nov 24, 2010 19:29:56 GMT
Colored text in forum posts is a sign of attention-whore syndrome. Which of course, must be crushed painfully. Do you realize when you're being rude? I don't mind that you are, I'm just not sure if you realize it. People can use a nice, eye pleasing, blue font if they like without being an attention-whore.
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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 19:32:33 GMT
The two guys up there have a good point. It feels so weird using no color, though. Maybe this?
Also, do you guys think Kat will walk in now? It seems very likely to me.[/font]
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Post by jayne on Nov 24, 2010 19:37:32 GMT
The two guys up there have a good point. It feels so weird using no color, though. Maybe this?
Also, do you guys think Kat will walk in now? It seems very likely to me. [/font][/quote] Personally, I liked the blue better but it is your choice. When I first saw it I was a bit jealous I hadn't thought of it first. It makes finding your posts and replies to your posts so much easier.
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Post by jayne on Nov 24, 2010 19:39:47 GMT
I'm hoping Annie and Rey get more time to hash things out first.... throwing Kat into the mix would be like throwing a cat into a room full of terriers!
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Post by exdevlin on Nov 24, 2010 19:41:01 GMT
I dunno, I'm more of a purple fan.
I'm not sure Annie has EVER taken pleasure in being cruel or spiteful to anyone, even as an angry outburst. What she said to Mort was completely justified (based on what she didn't know at the time), and she felt terrible about it after. She didn't do anything near as bad as what she's doing to Rey. Crushing someone's crush on you is one thing, if you'd thought they were being intentionally sneaky about it, but crushing one of the most important things in Rey's life and making him EAT it.. that's entirely different.
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Post by allec on Nov 24, 2010 19:41:31 GMT
jayne I liked the blue better too, actually. Maybe I will just keep it, and also, thanks.
zylonbane Huh, well, am sorry if I seem like an attention-whore. I just have a color because I am used to them and they look pleasing. Aren't you the one giving me unnecessary attention, though?
Anyway, we shouldn't derail this thread further. I'm sorry to have caused all of this. Right now, I am not sure if the situation would be better or worse for Renard if Kat came in. It would definitely be worse for Antimony, though.[/font]
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Post by sentora on Nov 24, 2010 19:45:07 GMT
Personally, I think Coyote may be influencing Annie here. That smile, sadism and dialogue seems right up his alley.
EDIT: That or Annie may be doing this to drive Renard away on purpose. Keep him from being used by the court and undoing the 'sin' of her mother.
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