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Post by Max on Nov 17, 2010 8:00:25 GMT
801No luck, Carver ----- Annie's really mastering the Art of the Scowl.
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Post by Alex on Nov 17, 2010 8:01:11 GMT
:shame:
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Post by Eversist on Nov 17, 2010 8:01:18 GMT
What she deserves.
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Nov 17, 2010 8:02:05 GMT
Well, this confirms it, she really was planning to cheat of Kat.
How very Daddy-like of you, Rey.
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Post by Snes on Nov 17, 2010 8:02:37 GMT
Yes, it is as we feared: Annie is cheating off of Kat to keep her grades up.
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Post by whattheziek on Nov 17, 2010 8:02:53 GMT
'It's a shambles!'
Uh-oh spagetti-o's. Annie looks angrier than I've ever seen her... Ever. Not even with the whole Mort incident did she look this pissed.
Place your bets for Friday's explosion!
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Post by penguinfactory on Nov 17, 2010 8:04:23 GMT
Kat's theory from S1 comes to mind. I have a feeling Annie isn't going to take this lying down.
Any speculation on why she isn't doing so hot in academia? Growing up in a hospital has to have something to do with it. I think she was probably out of her depth from the start, but didn't want to ask for help.
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Post by foresterr on Nov 17, 2010 8:04:39 GMT
I wonder if she's going to lash at him with the newfound intel. Would be very unlike Annie, but who knows.
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Post by Rasselas on Nov 17, 2010 8:10:15 GMT
I think maybe she's letting her dislike of the institution affect her academic efforts. She figures, if they're all liars and unethical, why should she study from them?
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Nov 17, 2010 8:14:49 GMT
Any speculation on why she isn't doing so hot in academia? Growing up in a hospital has to have something to do with it. I think she was probably out of her depth from the start, but didn't want to ask for help. Given everything she's been through, and all of the less-than-pleasant revelations over the course of her stay at the Court, I'd be surprised if she wasn't extremely distracted. That, and she's probably more focused on trying to figure out everything that's happened to her in the Court so far. Academics may just not be a priority for her.
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Post by whattheziek on Nov 17, 2010 8:22:44 GMT
I wonder if she's going to lash at him with the newfound intel. Would be very unlike Annie, but who knows. Annie isn't usually-- I was going to say 'the type to lash out' but let's think about it. We've only seen her respond reflexively to a situation onceI present specimen one: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=525 Being angry at Mort. Anything else that she feels animosity towards happened in the past, so she's had time to 'bottle it up' so to speak. But who knows. Let's not forget that Annie owns Reynardine. She has complete control over him. Thinking with childish cruelty - if I were mad, then I'd smack his fluffy butt around for exacerbating my bad temper. But I'm uncertain whether she'd gloat at him. Probably just throw him at the ceiling. (Gosh, I miss doing that to my stuff-toys) Really, we have no idea. But I'm going to tentatively put my eggs in the 'Annie is going to have some RAGE in this chapter' basket. If it falls through? I guess I'll have street-omlette for lunch.
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Post by bnpederson on Nov 17, 2010 8:24:04 GMT
Any speculation on why she isn't doing so hot in academia? It's quite possible that, when it comes to academics, Annie just isn't that smart.
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Post by Goatmon on Nov 17, 2010 8:26:45 GMT
I wonder if she's going to lash at him with the newfound intel. Would be very unlike Annie, but who knows. Annie isn't usually-- I was going to say 'the type to lash out' but let's think about it. We've only seen her respond reflexively to a situation onceI present specimen one: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=525 Being angry at Mort. Anything else that she feels animosity towards happened in the past, so she's had time to 'bottle it up' so to speak. But who knows. Let's not forget that Annie owns Reynardine. She has complete control over him. Thinking with childish cruelty - if I were mad, then I'd smack his fluffy butt around for exacerbating my bad temper. But I'm uncertain whether she'd gloat at him. Probably just throw him at the ceiling. (Gosh, I miss doing that to my stuff-toys) Really, we have no idea. But I'm going to tentatively put my eggs in the 'Annie is going to have some RAGE in this chapter' basket. If it falls through? I guess I'll have street-omlette for lunch. Riiiight That or she'll just tell him to shut up, like she has every other time she didn't like him running his mouth.
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Post by whattheziek on Nov 17, 2010 8:29:29 GMT
That or she'll just tell him to shut up, like she has every other time she didn't like him running his mouth. That works too! EditSorry, I found that little idiosyncracy too hilarious to pass up.
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Post by Yin on Nov 17, 2010 8:47:21 GMT
Kat's theory from S1 comes to mind. I have a feeling Annie isn't going to take this lying down. Any speculation on why she isn't doing so hot in academia? Growing up in a hospital has to have something to do with it. I think she was probably out of her depth from the start, but didn't want to ask for help. She would probably have been homeschooled. It's quite possible she's not used to GC's system of teaching and testing.
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Post by yukiakuma on Nov 17, 2010 9:26:00 GMT
I love the way Rey refers to Kat by her proper name, for some reason.
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Post by binarytears on Nov 17, 2010 9:43:35 GMT
So, about the previous strip I said
There's no way her twice-repeated show of determination is just 'I must get my homework finished.'
Now reading this 'obvious reader trap' of a strip, I'm even more convinced that 'copying from Kat' isn't what she had in mind here. She's got some plan afoot to help Reynard (involving Kat's homework book), and now here's Reynard giving her stick about cheating. Great character test - whether someone accusing you unjustly, will make you angry enough to drop your plans to help them.
So now Annie, Spite or Right?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 17, 2010 9:47:34 GMT
Antimony seems smart and home-schooled kids do pretty well with schoolwork usually, and her dad was a doctor or something. Plus, Kat the best friend is school-enabled and a teacher's kid.
There's a bunch of stuff working against Antimony's academic excellence. We've got her mom's death and her dad's possible abandonment, so Antimony may be spending an inordinate amount of time doing self-comfort things. There has also been the Spider-Jack thing causing stress.
I have no evidence to support this (and with the way comics tend to stilt the natural flow of dialog I am unsure there would be any) but I suspect Antimony may be of the sort who doesn't like to ask questions when she doesn't understand something in class, or if she does ask if she is still having trouble she would prefer to cheat/flunk than admit it. Being aces at stuff you're interested in can make it harder to admit when you need help in other areas.
Also: Dig Renard getting all scholastic-excellence in Antimony's face, checking her homework and disapproving. I think it's because he's occupying a stuffed child's toy meant to comfort and protect the child. I double down on my wildspec that his form changes the way he thinks and acts.
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Post by King Mir on Nov 17, 2010 9:50:34 GMT
So, about the previous strip I said There's no way her twice-repeated show of determination is just 'I must get my homework finished.' Now reading this 'obvious reader trap' of a strip, I'm even more convinced that 'copying from Kat' isn't what she had in mind here. She's got some plan afoot to help Reynard (involving Kat's homework book), and now here's Reynard giving her stick about cheating. Great character test - whether someone accusing you unjustly, will make you angry enough to drop your plans to help them. So now Annie, Spite or Right? But how is Kat's homework book supposed to help Rey in any way? That seems absurd.
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Post by binarytears on Nov 17, 2010 11:23:12 GMT
But how is Kat's homework book supposed to help Rey in any way? That seems absurd. As absurd as taking two strips to build reader expectations that X will happen, then actually having X happen? Btw, you didn't read my post. I did suggest one possible way the book might help Rey. But of course, the unexpected is much more likely.
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Post by todd on Nov 17, 2010 11:40:49 GMT
I think the most likely reason is that Annie's been far too busy focusing on what's going on at the Court (probably the only student there who seems to be making a concerted effort to get to the bottom of it, except for those whom she's shared her suspicions with - and they aren't as single-minded about it as she is, as the end of Chapter Thirty made clear) to pay much attention to her studies.
The theory that her childhood at Good Hope has something to do with it may be right, but not in the way that the people who brought it up are suggesting. Because she spent her childhood in a hospital with the Guides for company, rather than children her own age, Annie is more attuned to the etheric world than the normal world, and focused on delving into what's going on at the Court. With a more everyday background, Annie wouldn't be as focused into figuring out what happened with Jeanne or Reynardine, and might be spending the time she dedicates to those questions studying instead.
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Post by Rasselas on Nov 17, 2010 12:02:28 GMT
Have you guys never had a teacher you intentionally refused to study for because they were a prick or you caught them teaching you wrong in some blatant way that they should have known better?
I had a sociology teacher who didn't know what the glasshouse effect was and gave us a wrong explanation (that it's when you have ripe tomatoes during the winter). Also, as a sociology teacher, she had never heard of globalization. I refused to study for her class, even though it left me with mediocre grades. It was out of protest.
Knowing that your school is full of descendants of murderers and that you're in the midst of cleaning up their mess (and almost getting killed while doing that) might make one slightly disinclined to apply themselves academically.
Also, as even Jones realized when she offered the medium training, the school subject matter of science isn't exactly Annie's forte - medium and etheric stuff is, and she's excelling at it. It's easy to apply yourself in things you're good at, much more difficult with things that don't come naturally.
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Post by wanderer on Nov 17, 2010 12:10:13 GMT
Knowing that your school is full of descendants of murderers and that you're in the midst of cleaning up their mess (and almost getting killed while doing that) might make one slightly disinclined to apply themselves academically. Now that's unfair. I defy you to find a single person who has not had someone in their ancestry who's killed someone else. We are ALL descendents of murderers, but that doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with who or what WE are.
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Post by basser on Nov 17, 2010 12:19:17 GMT
Hahaha, Reynardad.
"Shut up, Renard! My mom never even liked you!" SICK BURN.
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 12:27:34 GMT
Knowing that your school is full of descendants of murderers and that you're in the midst of cleaning up their mess (and almost getting killed while doing that) might make one slightly disinclined to apply themselves academically. Now that's unfair. I defy you to find a single person who has not had someone in their ancestry who's killed someone else. We are ALL descendents of murderers, but that doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with who or what WE are. Murder, as we define it, is a social exception, not the norm. Most people don't murder other people. Its not unusual to have an entire family line with no murderers in it.
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Post by basser on Nov 17, 2010 12:40:29 GMT
Now that's unfair. I defy you to find a single person who has not had someone in their ancestry who's killed someone else. We are ALL descendents of murderers, but that doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with who or what WE are. Murder, as we define it, is a social exception, not the norm. Most people don't murder other people. Its not unusual to have an entire family line with no murderers in it. Pretty sure that's dependent on how far back you define a "family line." Also if you have ever had a relative in a war (and if you're American you almost certainly have, thanks to drafting) then hey you've most likely got a murderer. Just because they didn't go to jail for it doesn't mean they didn't kill someone.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Nov 17, 2010 12:46:25 GMT
These two posts made me laugh, and I think they go together wonderfully well. Kudos to both of you! ;D
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Post by shrimpy on Nov 17, 2010 12:48:45 GMT
Hi! I don't think the point was that there are people in the court who have murderers as ancestors. I think what Rasselas meant was that (like Jeanne said before) the Court exists now because of Jeanne's 'sacrifice', and because Annie takes that against the existing Court, she's less inclined to do well in her studies there.
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 12:52:23 GMT
Murder, as we define it, is a social exception, not the norm. Most people don't murder other people. Its not unusual to have an entire family line with no murderers in it. Pretty sure that's dependent on how far back you define a "family line." Also if you have ever had a relative in a war (and if you're American you almost certainly have, thanks to drafting) then hey you've most likely got a murderer. Just because they didn't go to jail for it doesn't mean they didn't kill someone. That's why I added "murder, as we define it" Not all killing is murder as generally defined. If you go back far enough, you'll get your great^1000 descendant Trogg, who killed Grek from the next tribe. Is that murder? Is that in defense of the tribe?
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Post by alcaz0r on Nov 17, 2010 13:32:03 GMT
Up untill now, Antimony has been struggling to deal with the moral deficiencies of the founders of the court. Upon Anja's recounting of this story of her mother's deception of Renard, Antimony now has to deal with the idea of her primary role model - her mother, commiting such a morally dubious act.
How will Antimony react? Will she, in a sense, give up? If her mother had no problem lieing to Renard,why should she bother trying to maintain her own integrity? Why not go ahead and cheat off of Katerina? Perhaps on a scale she had abstained from previously.
I expect we'll see a moral dilemna unfold soon, and perhaps this will be the point in Antimony's life where she becomes her own person, and decides to do what she considers right because it's what she wants to do, and because of how she wants to see herself, not because of anyone else's expectations or example.
It would be kind of ironic if it was Renard who was there to support her through such a transformation.
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