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Post by Max on Nov 17, 2010 19:28:55 GMT
Anyone else pick up on the similarity between the backgrounds of the final panel of this page and the bottom left panels of 594?
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Post by nerdyguy on Nov 17, 2010 20:11:21 GMT
Anyone else pick up on the similarity between the backgrounds of the final panel of this page and the bottom left panels of 594? Perhaps the shadows in the background are foreshadowing Antimony's descent into madness
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Post by hal9000 on Nov 17, 2010 20:24:22 GMT
Anyone else pick up on the similarity between the backgrounds of the final panel of this page and the bottom left panels of 594? Perhaps the shadows in the background are foreshadowing Antimony's descent into madness She's pretty mad on the current page, but we've got a ways to go before we get to 'uncontrollable murderous rage'.
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Post by sebastian on Nov 17, 2010 20:26:24 GMT
I can see where this is going
"Dont talk to me like that! Your not my father"
"of course I'm not. I'm here with you, after all"
OH, SNAP!!
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Post by hal9000 on Nov 17, 2010 20:37:51 GMT
Is it bad that this is the first thing that came to mind?
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 20:58:41 GMT
I think he is, actually - recall during S1, he takes the role of protector, and gets a bit fatherly again later. In addition to having come to like Annie, I suspect he sees it as part of his devotion to Surma, protecting the last bit of her left in this world. aah yes, sorry, I didn't mean to say that he wasn't deliberatly protecting her but that he is not necessarily concious of the fact that he is acting like a parent... you know? "perish the thought." Now the question is, was he upset because Kat thought he was acting like any old dad, or that he was acting like Anthony? (He don't like Anthony all that much)
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 17, 2010 20:59:44 GMT
Ah, gotchya!
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Post by digikitty on Nov 17, 2010 21:09:00 GMT
I'm betting on Friday Rey will say something like "Your mother never did this" or "What would your mother think" and it will send Annie over the edge.
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Post by unrequited on Nov 17, 2010 21:37:35 GMT
I think its really nice that Rey is acting like a Father to Antimony, and I can see where this is going to lead unfortunately, especially with the revelations given at the beginning of the chapter.
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 17, 2010 21:46:40 GMT
I'm betting on Friday Rey will say something like "Your mother never did this" or "What would your mother think" and it will send Annie over the edge. Oh, man, that seems really reasonable to me.
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Post by digikitty on Nov 17, 2010 22:10:17 GMT
I'm betting on Friday Rey will say something like "Your mother never did this" or "What would your mother think" and it will send Annie over the edge. Oh, man, that seems really reasonable to me. me too, considering that so far it seems that she keeps hearing about her mother, and its been a bit conflicting both times. The last thing Annie wants is Reynardine to start harping on her like he was her dad.
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Post by Chrome on Nov 17, 2010 22:47:36 GMT
There's another thing to consider.
Was Annie *ever* in a school? At all? Seems like she spent her entire life at the hospital.
If that's the case, it would be pretty easy to figure why her homework is a mess, and why she feels copying is a fair thing to do - she's used to picking locks, and roaming a place generally unsupervised. Nobody would've figured out to tell her that she's got to do her work on the merits of her own knowledge, her own study, and her own mind? She's got way more interesting things on her hands: plans, mysteries, etheric stuff, blinker-stone training.
In short, she needs to cut some of the woo-woo stuff, and come down to earth. The copying is her way of dealing with the problem, but I don't think she's connected that it's, on some level, a pretty dishonorable thing to do.
I hope Rey sorts her out on this - I can really see this as being a potentially major problem down the road. She feels herself intellectually inadequate because she's never really been schooled properly, so she tries to make up for it by mooching off her very academically gifted friend.
Again, doesn't seem very seemly or even like something I'd have thought Antimony could do. At least she's clever enough that only Rey sees the problem.
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Post by todd on Nov 17, 2010 23:24:29 GMT
Maybe Annie needs to be transferred to a much more ordinary school with no ghosts, weird etheric activity, mythical forest-creatures, or dark buried secrets to distract her. But for several reasons (including the Court's need to keep Reynardine under control and supervised), that's clearly not going to happen.
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 23:25:27 GMT
or maybe get her some tutoring?
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Post by legion on Nov 17, 2010 23:26:18 GMT
Is it bad that this is the first thing that came to mind? Also did it for me.
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Post by legion on Nov 17, 2010 23:30:30 GMT
Also, for some reason, I connect this with chapter 2, where Winsburry mocks her for staying all the time in the study hall… I was wondering, if perhaps, she wasn't always there because she was a serious, studious pupil, but because she had a strong need to catch up with school matters she doesn't quite grasp?
I personnaly like this idea of Annie having troubles to follow school, it's a very interesting character development.
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Post by Eversist on Nov 18, 2010 1:18:19 GMT
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Post by nerdyguy on Nov 18, 2010 3:21:31 GMT
People here keep talking about reynard being a father figure to Annie, but what if reynard was Annie's dad? They both love Surma, Reynard cares a lot about Annie, and we never see Reynard and Annie's dad in the same room. Maybe Annie's dad turned into a demon somehow.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 18, 2010 3:28:56 GMT
On further reflection maybe I can cite something from the comic to document Antimony not asking for help. There's Jones speech here in the second panel. So yeah, I figure that Antimony is aces at subjects she's interested in but doesn't ask for help sufficiently with things she has trouble with. That plus the family situation plus the stress of the Court's mysteries equals erratic academics. Kids like that don't like having tutors, if I remember right.
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Post by Eversist on Nov 18, 2010 4:37:21 GMT
People here keep talking about reynard being a father figure to Annie, but what if reynard was Annie's dad? They both love Surma, Reynard cares a lot about Annie, and we never see Reynard and Annie's dad in the same room. Maybe Annie's dad turned into a demon somehow. This is not the first time that this has be proposed, and surely not the last. Tom has stated multiple times that Anthony is truly Annie's dad. In addition, Reynard has been around for some time, with Coyote. I'm sure Reynard resided in the forest a substantial amount of time before Anthony and Surma began attending the school, considering he was around when they split the Court from the forest (Jeanne's time).
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Post by evilanagram on Nov 18, 2010 8:40:47 GMT
Haha! I feel pretty burned, despite not being the one who asked Tom that question. I still maintain that cheating on homework is neither a sign of stupidity, nor immorality. ...except that whole Sloth deal.
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Post by Eversist on Nov 18, 2010 9:21:56 GMT
Meh, qualify it how you like. A lot of it is dependent on circumstance, anyway.
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Post by todd on Nov 18, 2010 11:41:01 GMT
I always thought that Annie's time in the study hall at the beginning was being spent looking for a way to help Shadow2 leave the Court.
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Post by jayne on Nov 18, 2010 12:31:43 GMT
I always thought that Annie's time in the study hall at the beginning was being spent looking for a way to help Shadow2 leave the Court. I thought she was just trying to avoid the other students and then she discovered Shadow2.
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Post by Mylian on Nov 18, 2010 15:29:57 GMT
So the descendant of a Nazi SS officer isn't the descendant of a murderer? How about the descendant of someone involved in one of numerous genocidal campaigns against the American Indians? Did the Nazi SS officer murder someone? If so, yes, those descendants are descendants of a murderer. Same with the other example. If they murdered someone, their descendants are descendants of murderers. You can keep listing murderers if you like. All their descendants are descendants of murderers. Way to dodge the question, there, sport. Your proposition was that Legal = Not Murder. Everything done to Native Americans in the United States was legal by the laws of the time. So clarify in this case. It was legal. Was it murder?
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Post by jayne on Nov 18, 2010 15:50:20 GMT
Did the Nazi SS officer murder someone? If so, yes, those descendants are descendants of a murderer. Same with the other example. If they murdered someone, their descendants are descendants of murderers. You can keep listing murderers if you like. All their descendants are descendants of murderers. Way to dodge the question, there, sport. Your proposition was that Legal = Not Murder. Everything done to Native Americans in the United States was legal by the laws of the time. So clarify in this case. It was legal. Was it murder? I'm not dodging the question, he's assuming I mean something I don't. You are also. When did I propose "Legal = Not Murder"?
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Post by jayne on Nov 18, 2010 15:52:52 GMT
Let's see if I can explain this better.
All killing isn't murder. What is the difference between killing a human being and murdering a human being?
(or, support the idea that 'all killing isn't murder' is incorrect. I'm assuming that's correct.)
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Post by jayne on Nov 18, 2010 18:42:51 GMT
Okay, so you can accuse me of being fine with Jeanne's murder, fine with Nazi's murdering people, and fine with Native American's being murdered even though I gave you no reason to think that. That's rude.
When I say you've misunderstood me, you don't even acknowledge it. That's also rude.
When I ask you to explain why you thought that, you don't say anything. Rude!
I never defined what murder is nor did I say the legal definition of murder is the only acceptable definition.
And I hope you guys never get jury duty for a murder trial. "We have no idea if he's guilty because we can't tell the difference, sorry"
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Post by troll on Nov 18, 2010 18:54:12 GMT
Godwin's Law?
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Post by jayne on Nov 18, 2010 18:57:24 GMT
Doh! I forgot about Godwin's Law... I think that means we're supposed to flee this thread for anything more interesting!
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