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Post by cannedbreadmaker on Nov 17, 2010 13:38:14 GMT
That's why I added "murder, as we define it" Not all killing is murder as generally defined. If you go back far enough, you'll get your great^1000 descendant Trogg, who killed Grek from the next tribe. Is that murder? Is that in defense of the tribe? So you are saying that the court was justified killing Jeanne because it was in defense of the court and not murder.
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Post by todd on Nov 17, 2010 13:43:12 GMT
Annie was copying off Kat *before* she found out about the Court murdering Jeanne, so I don't think this has anything to do with it.
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 13:50:47 GMT
That's why I added "murder, as we define it" Not all killing is murder as generally defined. If you go back far enough, you'll get your great^1000 descendant Trogg, who killed Grek from the next tribe. Is that murder? Is that in defense of the tribe? So you are saying that the court was justified killing Jeanne because it was in defense of the court and not murder. Okay, explain how you got this from what I wrote. "Trogg killed Grek" therefore "the court was justified in killing Jeanne" It makes no sense to me but since you said it, it must make sense to you. Please explain.
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Post by paxjax123 on Nov 17, 2010 13:58:15 GMT
It might just be shadows, but did you notice the background gets darker as it gets closer to Annie in that last panel?
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 14:02:04 GMT
It might just be shadows, but did you notice the background gets darker as it gets closer to Annie in that last panel? I think it matches her mood!
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 17, 2010 14:10:30 GMT
Any speculation on why she isn't doing so hot in academia? She simply isn't interested? Besides, Kat may be the best possible friend for extra-tutoring or cheating purpose, but her enthusiasm isn't exactly something that would inspire Annie to try and follow. She only smiles and nods with "haha, right" or " quite..." Growing up in a hospital has to have something to do with it. I think she was probably out of her depth from the start, but didn't want to ask for help. < silently cleans chelicerae> < deploys tableware> Considering that it began here, even that one was rather premeditated. Anything else that she feels animosity towards happened in the past, so she's had time to 'bottle it up' so to speak. And the problem with bottling stuff up is that a bottle can contain only so much before overflowing. If it falls through? I guess I'll have street-omlette for lunch. I believe hats are more traditional food, if i correctly understand what you meant here. Well, seeing good ol' Renard "in loco parentis" is not a big surprise... It's interesting what's going on in Antimony's head, though.
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Post by Alexandragon on Nov 17, 2010 14:16:53 GMT
That or she'll just tell him to shut up, like she has every other time she didn't like him running his mouth. That works too! EditSorry, I found that little idiosyncracy too hilarious to pass up. ;D Wow, looks like Rey tries to behave itself as Annie's daddy))) Also: Antimony don't like that) Ahaha)
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Post by nerdyguy on Nov 17, 2010 15:14:52 GMT
What was Reynard doing snooping through Antimony's things anyway? That's not much better than Antimony stealing Katerina's notebook.
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 15:19:14 GMT
Its possible the noble Katerina allows Annie to look at her workbook on a regular basis. "Check your answers with mine" not considering Annie might be copying her work entirely. It might have started out that way but then Annie starting filling in answers she couldn't work out on her own.
Once you start doing that, its hard to stop.
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Post by mechagai on Nov 17, 2010 15:25:32 GMT
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Post by Mylian on Nov 17, 2010 15:31:59 GMT
It's proper, but it's becoming a bit archaic. Which makes sense as as an idiosyncrasy Rey would have.
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 15:34:37 GMT
I didn't know there was another way to say it other than how Rey said it. But the topic of shambles in general rarely comes up in my circle of friends!
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Post by hal9000 on Nov 17, 2010 15:40:46 GMT
Yeah, I guess this confirms that Annie has indeed been cheating off Kat for some time now on a regular basis, if Rey knows about it.
This seems like it will turn into a rather heated argument, and like some other people have said, it could end with Annie saying something she'll regret to Rey about what her mother actually thought of him. I don't see it ending well, especially if she leaves him unsupervised to go on vacation afterwards.
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Post by fish on Nov 17, 2010 15:43:23 GMT
hmm, was Annie just about to call Rey "Renard"? Would that be the first time...?
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Post by legion on Nov 17, 2010 16:38:46 GMT
Drama D:!
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Post by Rex on Nov 17, 2010 16:54:10 GMT
hmm, was Annie just about to call Rey "Renard"? Would that be the first time...? Good point, fish. Has she ever called him that before? I'm sure he would've found that very peculiar if he wasn't using his Furious Dad special attack.
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Post by troll on Nov 17, 2010 16:57:19 GMT
I take her as a liberal arts type. You can't interact with maths.
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 17:01:45 GMT
Do you think Rey is trying to step in for Annie's missing parents? I doubt Annie sees it that way but there have been several occasions where Rey seems to be acting fatherly towards her.
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Post by troll on Nov 17, 2010 17:09:41 GMT
Do you think Rey is trying to step in for Annie's missing parents? I doubt Annie sees it that way but there have been several occasions where Rey seems to be acting fatherly towards her. I think he's what a parent would be if they were in a stuffed animal body and had to do whatever the child said.
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Post by troll on Nov 17, 2010 17:19:42 GMT
I don't think he's doing it deliberately, thinking "now I must be a parent for that child!" I think it's just in his nature to care for her, since he seems to have cared for Surma a lot... He's the adult in her life.
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Post by kermittheforg on Nov 17, 2010 18:05:16 GMT
Don't forget SPANKIES! Also, going karate master on Zimmy.
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Post by evilanagram on Nov 17, 2010 18:10:54 GMT
But how is Kat's homework book supposed to help Rey in any way? That seems absurd. As absurd as taking two strips to build reader expectations that X will happen, then actually having X happen? There's nothing absurd about that. That's something that happens. A lot. For good reason. Pretty sure that's dependent on how far back you define a "family line." Also if you have ever had a relative in a war (and if you're American you almost certainly have, thanks to drafting) then hey you've most likely got a murderer. Just because they didn't go to jail for it doesn't mean they didn't kill someone. That's why I added "murder, as we define it" Not all killing is murder as generally defined. If you go back far enough, you'll get your great^1000 descendant Trogg, who killed Grek from the next tribe. Is that murder? Is that in defense of the tribe? Sometimes killing is excused by some in society and not others. Considering the fact that so many old world cultures were involved in death sports, revenge killings, and genocides, most people in the world have heinous crimes in their family history.
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Post by evilanagram on Nov 17, 2010 18:14:41 GMT
I take her as a liberal arts type. You can't interact with maths. I beg to differ on the second count.
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 18:27:18 GMT
Sometimes killing is excused by some in society and not others. Considering the fact that so many old world cultures were involved in death sports, revenge killings, and genocides, most people in the world have heinous crimes in their family history. Yes, if the original post had said "we're all descendants of killers" instead of murders, I couldn't disagree. I've killed several fish myself and have been an accessory to many counts of chicken, pork, and beef fatalities. If murder is the unlawful taking of human life, that depends on how 'unlawful' is defined for a culture. Trogg may have thought 'kill all who are not of my tribe and are too close" was a lawful reason to kill.
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Post by evilanagram on Nov 17, 2010 18:32:55 GMT
So the descendant of a Nazi SS officer isn't the descendant of a murderer? How about the descendant of someone involved in one of numerous genocidal campaigns against the American Indians?
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 18:37:18 GMT
So the descendant of a Nazi SS officer isn't the descendant of a murderer? How about the descendant of someone involved in one of numerous genocidal campaigns against the American Indians? Did the Nazi SS officer murder someone? If so, yes, those descendants are descendants of a murderer. Same with the other example. If they murdered someone, their descendants are descendants of murderers. You can keep listing murderers if you like. All their descendants are descendants of murderers.
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Post by evilanagram on Nov 17, 2010 18:42:02 GMT
You keep acting like "murder" is a clear-cut concept; it isn't outside of technical definitions in legal systems (which differ from country to country). No form of killing has ever been completely socially accepted in any culture.
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Post by monte on Nov 17, 2010 18:43:36 GMT
I don't think he's doing it deliberately, thinking "now I must be a parent for that child!" I think it's just in his nature to care for her, since he seems to have cared for Surma a lot... This is isn't the first time we've seen this... we can also recall when Reynard was asking Kat if Annie had a boyfriend or anything like that I think we've been seeing the same from Eglamore; he seems almost usually protective of Annie... Both he and reynard loved Surma and Annie reminds them of her. In her father's absence, both of them have seen to take on a father-like role
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 17, 2010 18:45:05 GMT
I don't think he's doing it deliberately, thinking "now I must be a parent for that child!" I think it's just in his nature to care for her, since he seems to have cared for Surma a lot... I think he is, actually - recall during S1, he takes the role of protector, and gets a bit fatherly again later. In addition to having come to like Annie, I suspect he sees it as part of his devotion to Surma, protecting the last bit of her left in this world. Edit: haha, sniped by monte
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 18:45:11 GMT
You keep acting like "murder" is a clear-cut concept; it isn't outside of technical definitions in legal systems (which differ from country to country). No form of killing has ever been completely socially accepted in any culture. No, you're replying as if I think murder is a clear-cut concept. Reread my posts and tell me where you got that idea. You've misunderstood me.
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