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Post by eightyfour on Sept 27, 2010 9:36:34 GMT
Wow, the whole thing turned out to be even more cruel than I imagined. Killing someone in cold blood is one thing. Breaking someone's heart and then leaving them to die alone out in the cold is something entirely different.
I don't think Jeanne will listen to reason. I don't think she's able to listen to reason. I whish now Parley had brought a sword.
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Post by hanneswall on Sept 27, 2010 10:21:06 GMT
Oh crap.
eightyfour: Well, let's hope she is. If Parley gets a sword through that gleaming heart of hers I don't know what I'll do.
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Post by cu on Sept 27, 2010 10:33:06 GMT
Anyone else finds this insufficiently explained? Why does she become a sentinel instead of, I don't know, a ferrywoman guiding an arrow-proof roofed boat? To prevent further Gilliteans to be treated as pincushions like Danny? Because sentinel was her day job in the court? Is something she decides or it is a firmware Diego transferred to her etheric casket?
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Post by hal9000 on Sept 27, 2010 10:33:32 GMT
Alternatively, this would be fine too: ;D +1000 points respect for you, sir. I didn't make it, it's the work of a particularly talented artist from 4chan's /co/. It seemed appropriate to the topic of discussion, though.
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Post by Goatmon on Sept 27, 2010 10:54:17 GMT
Anyone else finds this insufficiently explained? Why does she become a sentinel instead of, I don't know, a ferrywoman guiding an arrow-proof roofed boat? To prevent further Gilliteans to be treated as pincushions like Danny? Because sentinel was her day job in the court? Is something she decides or it is a firmware Diego transferred to her etheric casket? She was murdered along with her lover in the ritual. In her own words, her spirit was forged into the sentinel of the waters. Which, as far as I remember, even spirits are unwilling/unable to cross, except via the bridge. Perhaps what happened to Jeanne was the intended result of the ritual. Perhaps the waters themselves are not uncrossable. Maybe Jeanne simply never stops patrolling, and cuts down anyone who tries.
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Post by jayne on Sept 27, 2010 11:12:22 GMT
"...the useless shell of my body was ensnared by the green light... "
This sounds like some kind of radiation poisoning... (add magic as necessary) Greenguy was killed quickly and Jeanne was killed slowly and painfully, alone with a broken heart, betrayed by everyone who she knew her.
That sounds like a fire hot enough to forge Jeanne into a terrible weapon.
Annie has to act fast... somehow target all Jeanne's rage toward Diego.
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Post by jayne on Sept 27, 2010 11:13:18 GMT
+1000 points respect for you, sir. I didn't make it, it's the work of a particularly talented artist from 4chan's /co/. It seemed appropriate to the topic of discussion, though. Whoever drew that, they read this comic! That's definitely Parley!
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Post by Afalstein on Sept 27, 2010 11:36:33 GMT
Oh, this week looks to be interesting already. The girls are obviously in a tight spot, Parley especially. I wonder if she can visualize a sword, or whether Jeanne will give her one out of spite. Either way, Smitty better find an etheric way to get down there FAST.
Also: Annie CRYING. We haven't seen that since the bismuth tree, and that wasn't nearly as detailed. This is epic.
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Post by jayne on Sept 27, 2010 11:47:15 GMT
Jeanne is waiting for DIEGO!
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Post by paxjax123 on Sept 27, 2010 12:28:09 GMT
I get the feeling Jeanne's angry.
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Post by camo on Sept 27, 2010 13:04:59 GMT
"Heaven knows no wrath like love to hatred turned.
And Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."
Got probably half of it wrong, but I think you know what I mean.
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Post by therocksayz on Sept 27, 2010 13:25:09 GMT
Anyone else finds this insufficiently explained? Why does she become a sentinel instead of, I don't know, a ferrywoman guiding an arrow-proof roofed boat? To prevent further Gilliteans to be treated as pincushions like Danny? Because sentinel was her day job in the court? Is something she decides or it is a firmware Diego transferred to her etheric casket? She was murdered along with her lover in the ritual. In her own words, her spirit was forged into the sentinel of the waters. Which, as far as I remember, even spirits are unwilling/unable to cross, except via the bridge. Perhaps what happened to Jeanne was the intended result of the ritual. Perhaps the waters themselves are not uncrossable. Maybe Jeanne simply never stops patrolling, and cuts down anyone who tries. Speaking of the bridge, How the hell could they build it with losing people to Jeanne?
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Post by mechagai on Sept 27, 2010 13:26:09 GMT
"...the useless shell of my body was ensnared by the green light... "
This part just means that she was going through shock (the clinical term and the feeling), so she wasn't really able to do anything except wither and die. Nothing fancy about it, so it is Jeanne talking, not Green Stud.
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Post by Aura on Sept 27, 2010 13:39:43 GMT
Why doesn't Annie's heart gleam?
Conclusion: Annie has no heart =P
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Post by gumboy on Sept 27, 2010 13:43:05 GMT
Green light? Kryptonite. Clearly a DC crossover is coming about.
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Post by shadedgray on Sept 27, 2010 13:49:13 GMT
Why doesn't Annie's heart gleam? I was thinking about this. Jeanne doesn't go for Annie, she goes for Parley and when she does, relates the story of her love. I think it's possible that Parley's heart glows so much because she's in love with Smitty, and Jeanne is enraged by the thought that someone else would wander into her realm with proof of their love when she lost hers.
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Post by jayne on Sept 27, 2010 13:52:23 GMT
Why doesn't Annie's heart gleam? Annie's mom died, and her father abandoned her and she's got no honey... she's just not feeling all that gleam-y. MAN, I'm really glad she's got Kat!
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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 27, 2010 14:07:18 GMT
I don't think Jeanne will listen to reason. I don't think she's able to listen to reason. I whish now Parley had brought a sword. Sorry if this is offtopic, but this immediately came to mind. If you've ever read Snowcrash, you'll know why people listen to Reason. Everybody listens to Reason! ;D ULTIMA RATION REGUM
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Post by arucard on Sept 27, 2010 14:09:39 GMT
"...the useless shell of my body was ensnared by the green light... " This part just means that she was going through shock (the clinical term and the feeling), so she wasn't really able to do anything except wither and die. Nothing fancy about it, so it is Jeanne talking, not Green Stud. I actually think she meant that in a literal way... I believe the arrow actually killed her... I mean, after Steadman fired it, Young seemed sure that Jeanne was a goner... And a few posts ago people were commenting on a possible relation between the Power Station and Jeanne's ghost... I don't like that idea very much, but I also don't think it's impossible to be true... We know that at least one man knew about the whole plan to kill her and decided not to take part in it... What if that man somehow managed to relay that information to others that weren't happy with the Court's way of handling things, and as time passed by this information reached the new top members of the Court, and they decided it was time to do something in order to free her spirit? Speculation aside, great page! This promises to be an awesome week for us GC fans!!
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Post by zylonbane on Sept 27, 2010 14:51:03 GMT
Anyone else finds this insufficiently explained? You're not the only one. It seems likely that Tom put a lot of the setup in place years ago without having what really happened fully conceptualized, so in the end he was forced to just kind of make it all hang together as best as possible. Biggest problem-- Jeanne appears to be in full possession of her memories and mental faculties, so after what the Court did to her, why is she defending it? With the information we've been given so far, this makes the exact opposite of sense. Granting Jeanne speech might have been a mistake. A mindless, indiscriminate ball of concentrated rage would be more plausible as a reliable defense system.
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Post by q3 on Sept 27, 2010 14:57:10 GMT
Wowzers. I wonder if Jeanne has always been this self-aware, or if Parley's appearance has snapped her out of a centuries-long trance. The former would be an even more horrific revelation; the latter might give our heroes a slim chance of calming her down. In any event, the smart move at this point would be for Annie to try and retrieve her blinker stone while Jeanne is distracted. It doesn't seem likely that Jeanne will be passing to the great beyond anytime soon, and this is definitely a situation where discretion is the better part of valor. This page also makes it appear as though the Court's plan was a Batman Gambit, because it wouldn't have worked if Jeanne had simply gone down there as she was told and sat down to read a book or something. They were counting on her to use her all-expenses-paid trip to the Annan Waters as an escape attempt and tell her lover to meet her there. (Although, if she hadn't done so, they might have just lifted her up and told her that she would be going down there again the next week.) I'm really hoping that this comes to answer what exactly Jeanne is waiting for: She may be waiting for the opportunity to exact her revenge on the Court (or even just one of its coddled children)... Just to check if I understand it correctly: Jeanne's hate and fury form the sentinel that keeps the Court and Forest apart, right? That would imply that the plan was not so much to kill the Green guy, but to unleash hate and anger from Jeanne. I mean, abusing someone's love and turn it to a weapon of hatred, that's far beyond normal cruelty. Perhaps this sheds further light on Diego's creepy smile as Jeanne began to suspect him. A lot of "If I can't have you, no one can," but also a bit of "Excellent, her increasing confusion and paranoia will only make her a more powerful guardian." That doesn't exactly make Diego any more sympathetic... Annie's mom died, and her father abandoned her and she's got no honey... she's just not feeling all that gleam-y. MAN, I'm really glad she's got Kat! If you think about it, this chapter is also an arrow through the heart of Annie/Kat shippers.
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Sept 27, 2010 14:59:57 GMT
I think this is all the explanation Tom intended to give us. It's enough. Gunnerkrigg is not very graphic about this sort of thing and I kind of prefer it that way. Do we really need a panel with green light holding her dying body to the ground? There might be a bit more detail later, but this is enough. The mechanics aren't important; they broke her heart and killed her to make her suitable to guard the waters against the forest and we know now they did it by killing the person she loved.
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Post by zylonbane on Sept 27, 2010 15:01:31 GMT
If you think about it, this chapter is also an arrow through the heart of Annie/Kat shippers. I would prefer not to think about that at all, thank you.
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Post by jayne on Sept 27, 2010 15:03:39 GMT
Anyone else finds this insufficiently explained? You're not the only one. It seems likely that Tom put a lot of the setup in place years ago without having what really happened fully conceptualized, so in the end he was forced to just kind of make it all hang together as best as possible. Biggest problem-- Jeanne appears to be in full possession of her memories and mental faculties, so after what the Court did to her, why is she defending it? With the information we've been given so far, this makes the exact opposite of sense. Granting Jeanne speech might have been a mistake. A mindless, indiscriminate ball of concentrated rage would be more plausible as a reliable defense system. It might be vague on purpose. I doubt Tom could fully explain how it works without us, the audience, tearing it to shreds. If he leaves the details up to our imagination, no matter how much we speculate, in the end, "it just is"
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Post by cu on Sept 27, 2010 15:06:24 GMT
Green light? Kryptonite. Clearly a DC crossover is coming about. Actually GC has always had a very clear Harry Potter vibe (school, houses, castle, ghosts, forbidden forest...) so it is more like an Avada Kedavra curse.
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 27, 2010 15:21:57 GMT
I think so too, and Kat will be more depressive after that... Well, at least Kat didn't have to witness it in person this time. That might make it easier. Yeah, the one point of solace in this chapter is that at least Kat isn't seeing it again. Man, poor Annie and Parley, though. The useless shell of my body was ensnared by the green light and discarded over time: Was she killed by the green light? "Discarded over time" probably just means it decayed naturally. I think she means her body was literally ensnared by the green light after and while it killed her. Then it stayed that way until it decomposed. This isn't exactly the word I'm looking for, but the closest I can think of right now is that the arrow is a glamer. It struck her lover, killing her heart and will and everything good about her, and then its glow entranced her mind. I'm left with the impression that without it, she would have been devastated, maybe even lost her will to live, but she would have left, wept, walked into the river, anything but just stand there and stare into the water until her body gave out due to hunger and thirst. Biggest problem-- Jeanne appears to be in full possession of her memories and mental faculties, so after what the Court did to her, why is she defending it? With the information we've been given so far, this makes the exact opposite of sense. She's not defending it. She's striking out, maliciously, at anything that comes near her. She feels such pain that she cannot help but inflict it on others. She has nothing to live for, and cannot die. If she were defending the Court, she wouldn't be attacking students.
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 27, 2010 15:25:12 GMT
It might be vague on purpose. I doubt Tom could fully explain how it works without us, the audience, tearing it to shreds. If he leaves the details up to our imagination, no matter how much we speculate, in the end, "it just is" It behaves that way because they willed it so. Is that not explanation enough?
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Post by jayne on Sept 27, 2010 15:28:14 GMT
I think this is all the explanation Tom intended to give us. It's enough. Gunnerkrigg is not very graphic about this sort of thing and I kind of prefer it that way. Do we really need a panel with green light holding her dying body to the ground? There might be a bit more detail later, but this is enough. The mechanics aren't important; they broke her heart and killed her to make her suitable to guard the waters against the forest and we know now they did it by killing the person she loved. I agree!
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Post by jayne on Sept 27, 2010 15:35:59 GMT
She's not defending it. She's striking out, maliciously, at anything that comes near her. She feels such pain that she cannot help but inflict it on others. She has nothing to live for, and cannot die. If she were defending the Court, she wouldn't be attacking students. Remember when Annie was first down there? Jeanne flicked her cheek with her sword like someone poking a bug before stepping on it. Jeanne, thinking: "what is this... *flick* oh.... its nothing... it will DIE" And then Kat came to save her... as if waking her from a dream? Maybe Kat can save them both now?
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Post by camo on Sept 27, 2010 15:37:31 GMT
Biggest problem-- Jeanne appears to be in full possession of her memories and mental faculties, so after what the Court did to her, why is she defending it? With the information we've been given so far, this makes the exact opposite of sense. Jeanne's hatred seems to be targetted at anything emotionally alive, like in this case Parley, who is desperately in love (like Jeanne was). If you think back to Annie's last visit in the Forrest, "alive" is pretty much the common attribute everything in there shares. Even a being as serious and hateful as Ysengrim is a vividly shining presence in the ether. Everything in the forrest is basically an incarnation of anything that will be forever denied to Jeanne. She may hate the Court for what they did to here, but it's the Forrest and it's inhabitants on the other side of the river who taunt her by their very existence. And they too did nothing when she was left there to die... Aside from that, the Court may be perfectly happy to put something down there that will attack anything that comes down there. They have no business with the Annan Waters or with Forrest, they just want to keep anyone from the other side out.
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