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Post by Refugee on Sept 27, 2010 7:31:01 GMT
Parley is the one with "the gleaming heart". Parley. Not Annie.
I just...oh, Parley, I hope... I hope your mocking armor is broken, I hope you let others see your heart shine.
I hope you see that Smitty already sees it. I hope you learn to let him share it, help you nurture it.
Gods, this is a fine comic.
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Post by Max on Sept 27, 2010 7:31:55 GMT
Not to mention that it'll further the relationship between the two. :d Parley is so proud that owing her life to Smitty would just make her more intolerable.
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Post by salsa on Sept 27, 2010 7:32:51 GMT
" The useless shell of my body was ensnared by the green light and discarded over time": Was she killed by the green light? " What remained of my spirit...": This is the part the psychopomps would collect. See here. The arrow is an anchor, basically. and Yes. That is the part that the death gods want. And yeah, this is either gonna make Parley more insufferable, it's going to mellow her, or it's going to break her. I really hope it's the middle one. The first one is a distant second, and the third I don't think anyone wants to see happen.
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Post by sz on Sept 27, 2010 7:34:16 GMT
Not to mention that it'll further the relationship between the two. :d Parley is so proud that owing her life to Smitty would just make her more intolerable. Sooner or later, her facade will collapse on its own weight! Though I'm not sure if we'll recognize Parley anymore if she's ever sweet on anything. Maybe the pair needs to be frustrated forever for the readers' amusement.
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Post by Rex on Sept 27, 2010 7:37:05 GMT
I get the feeling it'll be Smitty. Parley's the one under threat, after all. Not to mention that it'll further the relationship between the two. :d Hmm, you're right. His power is bringing order to chaos or something like it. It's possible it may cause something a solution to this situation to appear or occur. Man, it really sounds like her body just withered away (and apparently most of her spirit aside from the anger and hatred).
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Post by Ristar on Sept 27, 2010 7:38:31 GMT
"what remained of my spirit, my anger. my hate, was forged white hot, into the sentinel of these waters." Maybe that's why the psychopomps can't collect her spirit if it is stuck in the waters. It also provides a purpose for the power station experiment (suck the ether and Jeanne out of the water).
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Post by Rex on Sept 27, 2010 7:41:56 GMT
I don't think the power station(s) are getting their water from the Anaan Waters.
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Post by sz on Sept 27, 2010 7:42:01 GMT
It also provides a purpose for the power station experiment (suck the ether and Jeanne out of the water). ...this is brilliant. Though, while the idea is pretty cool--isn't it the same Court that bound Jeanne to Anna Waters that runs the power station? It's possible that the current leaders of the Court changed their mind, but it doesn't seem like an organization that admits to its own mistakes. I don't think the power station(s) are getting their water from the Anaan Waters. Could be that the power station drains the water source for the Annan Waters, in one sense of the word or another. "Draining" the water etherically could break the enchantment on Annan Waters and allow the psychopomps to do something about the anchor. Or suchlike.
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Post by americonedream on Sept 27, 2010 7:46:51 GMT
If the Annan Water Theory is true, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the etheric energy from the water would power anything, especially if the river didn't lead to the lake. After all, the Power Station isn't as old as the events with Jeanne and the leaders struck her from the records. So they wouldn't have had the station built to take the energy from her, it would've revealed to someone else of her existence. Basically, it's most likely a coincidence that there's etheric energy in the water being taken from Jeanne.
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Post by Rex on Sept 27, 2010 7:47:51 GMT
Meh, I think the power stations are completely unrelated to what's going on in the Anaan Waters. My guess is that what they're actually doing will be an unrelated big reveal later on. And I think the etheric energy in natural rainwater comes from the fact that it's natural.
Hmm, I wonder if the psychopomps can be in any real danger from a spirit they come to take. I assume some spirits are dangerous to them, but then how do they collect on those?
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Sept 27, 2010 7:49:58 GMT
The useless shell of my body was ensnared by the green light and discarded over time: Was she killed by the green light? "Discarded over time" probably just means it decayed naturally. I think she means her body was literally ensnared by the green light after and while it killed her. Then it stayed that way until it decomposed.
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Post by basser on Sept 27, 2010 7:50:13 GMT
Parley is the reincarnation of Elfboy. That's why her dad thought she'd be born a boy. POW!
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Post by Tenjen on Sept 27, 2010 7:50:25 GMT
they have to speak to her....quickly...
Parley is especially affected by this because i doubt she's ever faced true suffering and pain and she's currently in love but its also repressed and unfulfilled, creating a very unique feeling of pain when viewing Jeanne's obtained relationship, so strong and passionate, being scattered..destroyed.
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Post by monte on Sept 27, 2010 7:50:33 GMT
Hm... She "speaks" mental by Parley and she really threatens by her sword only to Parley... But why? Any ideas? To put it simply... Parley's love, her gleaming heart, is a reminder of everything Jeanne has lost Jeanne sees Parley as someone who came her only to show off how happy she is while Jeanne exists in misery and hate
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Post by Ristar on Sept 27, 2010 7:51:15 GMT
It also provides a purpose for the power station experiment (suck the ether and Jeanne out of the water). ...this is brilliant. Though, while the idea is pretty cool--isn't it the same Court that bound Jeanne to Anna Waters that runs the power station? It's possible that the current leaders of the Court changed their mind, but it doesn't seem like an organization that admits to its own mistakes. Yeah ...but maybe they don't know that their ancestors bounded Jeanne in the waters. Young erased all the records of the deal that night. Right now i think the Court only knows that there's a powerful Ether force in the waters.
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Post by Max on Sept 27, 2010 7:51:28 GMT
I'm pretty sure Tom said somewhere that the Annan Waters do not connect to the lake.
Also, regarding the records being struck, the Court must know that something is protecting Court from the Forest.
UPDATE: Heh, ristar, great minds think alike.
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Post by Rex on Sept 27, 2010 7:57:31 GMT
Not really, Max. If all records of this event were purged from the Court's history, the Court would simply assume that the forest creatures decided not to attack. Also, going by what Ms. I-talk-to-animals said about the Court, future members might've tried to undo this "protection" in order to right this wrong.
I wouldn't be surprised if fixing this situation will only open up a brand new can of worms.
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Post by Max on Sept 27, 2010 8:04:17 GMT
I considered that, but they know the forest can be very antagonistic at times. It's hard to imagine they would knowingly leave the barrier so porous.
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Post by evilanagram on Sept 27, 2010 8:05:04 GMT
The power station collects the ether that occurs naturally in the water. I believe both Jones and Jack say this. Similar etheric energy is present in natural rain, which is why it helps Zimmy. Let's put this branch of the epileptic tree to rest now.
That said, this is a chilling scene, and I look forward to the next page.
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Post by myra on Sept 27, 2010 8:06:28 GMT
This is more of a point of confusion than a wild speculation... but it sort of sounds as if Jeanne's spirit is speaking from Green Elf's point of view. "My heart was run through and left to die on the riverbed."OK, I can see how that *might* mean that Jeanne's heart was broken from seeing Green Elf die, and that the edge of the Annan Waters is the riverbed. Or: 'my heart' refers to Green Elf (since he's the one she loved) and that he died on the bottom of the river (which makes more sense as the riverbed). "The useless shell of my body was ensnared by the green light and discarded over time."Well... I really can't see how the green light interacted with Jeanne's body. It clearly hit Green Elf, and the previous page definitely looks like it ensnared him. And yes, Jeanne's body *could* have been 'discarded over time' simply because it had decayed, but that phrase makes a lot more sense for Green Elf's body, which would have been carried away by the river and eventually decomposed. Jeanne's skeleton and clothes are still in the position she died in, even after a bunch of generations. I don't have a clue why Green Elf would be speaking through Jeanne, unless... (a) his spirit... entered her body? (b) Jeanne and Green Elf were etherically linked (this could happen with something as basic as being in love- who knows when it comes to the ether), and so Jeanne experienced Green Elf's green-light-death, and so she describes it as if it was her own. Alternatively, maybe the green light/arrow *did* kill Jeanne, and we just haven't seen that part yet. Hmm... now that I look at the page again, Jeanne's body fading into a ghost at the top looks like it has a green tinge... or am I just seeing things? I have to disagree with Jeanne's suggestion that only her fury/anger/hate is left in her spirit. As we've seen in the last few pages, she has memories of good times with Green Elf - how could she remember them if she had only hate left? I guess those memories are fueling bitterness, but still, that's different than pure hate. This must be weird for Parley. One moment, she's watching a movie; a few moments later, she's getting this blast of etheric sadness-bitterness. Also, I wonder if this is the first time Jeanne (her ghost that is) has spoken since she died?
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Post by asirai on Sept 27, 2010 8:08:08 GMT
I'm really hoping that this comes to answer what exactly Jeanne is waiting for: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=530I thought at first that she was waiting for Green to get to her, but Muut would have been there only after, and she has been waiting still. Assuming she realizes that he's not gonna make it across, is she waiting for someone to free his spirit which may be held into the waters by the arrow? Or just to be set free herself? Or maybe it's something altogether different.
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Post by Rex on Sept 27, 2010 8:09:43 GMT
I considered that, but they know the forest can be very antagonistic at times. It's hard to imagine they would knowingly leave the barrier so porous. Just because they don't know there's a barrier/guardian of sorts in the Anaan Waters doesn't mean their defenses are porous. Given that we've seen Court personnel that seem to be in military uniform, there are probably impressive defense systems and tactics in place. Edit: Asirai, it's possible that the same thing that happened to Jeanne happened to him (with his spirit stuck at the bottom of the river). In that case it'd play out as you said, she'd leave along with him.
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Post by hal9000 on Sept 27, 2010 8:18:48 GMT
they have to speak to her....quickly... I don't think she's particularly interested in talking, and talk is not likely to be productive when the other person is rapidly escalating an already dangerous situation into mortal peril. The last time this happened, it took Kat showing up on a hoverbike to resolve the situation; I'm hoping something similar happens this time (maybe smitty's powers? or something).
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Post by Rex on Sept 27, 2010 8:23:59 GMT
Can you imagine Smitty seeing a distressed look on Parley's face, touching her and suddenly everyone is shuffled back into their bodies?
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Post by hal9000 on Sept 27, 2010 8:25:46 GMT
Alternatively, this would be fine too: ;D
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Post by Rex on Sept 27, 2010 8:29:10 GMT
One Ghostbuster isn't going to cut it with Jeanne. They're going to need the whole gang, though with Smitty around I doubt they'll have any issues with streams being crossed.
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Post by fjodor on Sept 27, 2010 8:39:25 GMT
Just to check if I understand it correctly: Jeanne's hate and fury form the sentinel that keeps the Court and Forest apart, right?
That would imply that the plan was not so much to kill the Green guy, but to unleash hate and anger from Jeanne. I mean, abusing someone's love and turn it to a weapon of hatred, that's far beyond normal cruelty.
"She died and we did nothing." Rubbish, quite the contrary: they did everything.
Right now I am also wondering if Annie will be able to use the sword she got from Coyote in the Blinker zone, she may need it soon.
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Post by legion on Sept 27, 2010 9:21:18 GMT
Alternatively, this would be fine too: ;D +1000 points respect for you, sir.
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Post by blinkerstoned on Sept 27, 2010 9:24:42 GMT
Jeanne's the avatar of vengeance now.Hmm,interesting twist...
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Post by warrl on Sept 27, 2010 9:36:21 GMT
Well, we know that Tom has been doing time-jumps over lots of practice. As evidence I point out that on one occasion we see Annie etherically moving a single physical flower a couple feet and being exhausted thereby;and then the next time we see anything of the sort she's pushing a rowboat across a lake. And we also know that she asked Eggy about lessons in swordsmanship. Right after she lost the fight with the flower. So we can presume she's had some weapon training. But she is almost certainly not up to George's level yet, let alone Jeanne's. As for Coyote's Tooth? It's more etherical than physical. Heck yes it can be used in the etherium. I predict that within a few pages we will see Annie using it and it will be a short sword, and then we'll see Parley using it and it will be a big two-handed sword.
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