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Post by speedwell on May 27, 2020 10:38:05 GMT
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Post by neonmoon on May 27, 2020 11:33:34 GMT
Rereading from the beginning up to the end of "A Broken Glass And Other Things" is really unexpectedly moving and profound. Tom really put that first treatise, "Ore, Lege, Relege, Labora, Et Invenies", the page where Annie would have died and the timelines split, on May 25, 2006, exactly 14 years to the day before Monday's update. Sometimes I'm really amazed at the amount of care and detail Tom puts into this story, and how the webcomic platform allows him to do that in ways print media wouldn't. Pray, read, reread, work, and ye shall find from Mutus Liber-- you will find the Philosopher's Stone, the great personal journey, the elixir of life, the ability to transmute lead into gold and death into life. Has anyone written a serious essay about the alchemy in GC or are we waiting until it's finished?
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Post by wies on May 27, 2020 12:48:22 GMT
Neat, I didn't know that quote was tied to the Philosopher's Stone!
I know almost nothing about alchemy, so I would be also interested in reading an essay like that!
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on May 27, 2020 12:57:05 GMT
Maybe the Tic Toc alarm went off then because in one timeline, Annie died when Eglamore accidentally hit her with his throwing sword.
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Post by liminal on May 27, 2020 13:27:03 GMT
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Post by Druplesnubb on May 27, 2020 13:44:40 GMT
Dude there's six in that one panel alone.
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Post by wies on May 27, 2020 13:49:45 GMT
Yeah, they show six tic tocs. And hopefully it doesn't correlate to the amount of annies.
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Post by liminal on May 27, 2020 13:59:21 GMT
Dude there's six in that one panel alone. Cool things I only noticed on reread: in Year 7, I knew how to count I do still like the parallel of the one Tic Toc’s death to the original Annie’s death.
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Post by Corvo on May 27, 2020 14:33:12 GMT
Back in page 142, the original Kat found Annie's dead body instead.
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Post by rosesonthewall on May 27, 2020 16:25:20 GMT
Like everyone else, I’m back in Chapter 7 after this week’s reveal. What Annie says at the beginning of the chapter gives me goosebumps. Rereading from the beginning up to the end of "A Broken Glass And Other Things" is really unexpectedly moving and profound. Tom really put that first treatise, "Ore, Lege, Relege, Labora, Et Invenies", the page where Annie would have died and the timelines split, on May 25, 2006, exactly 14 years to the day before Monday's update. That is AMAZING.
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Post by bedinsis on May 27, 2020 17:00:28 GMT
Like everyone else, I’m back in Chapter 7 after this week’s reveal. What Annie says at the beginning of the chapter gives me goosebumps. Rereading from the beginning up to the end of "A Broken Glass And Other Things" is really unexpectedly moving and profound. Tom really put that first treatise, "Ore, Lege, Relege, Labora, Et Invenies", the page where Annie would have died and the timelines split, on May 25, 2006, exactly 14 years to the day before Monday's update. That is AMAZING. Please, don't call it chapter 7, it is so impersonal. It's proper title is "Of new and old". ...wait a minute. The chapter where timelines collide is called "Of new and old"! Gah!
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Post by neonmoon on May 27, 2020 19:14:26 GMT
Neat, I didn't know that quote was tied to the Philosopher's Stone! I know almost nothing about alchemy, so I would be also interested in reading an essay like that! It's an adaptation of a phrase from a 1677 text, Mutus Liber, supposedly a guide to creating the Philosopher's Stone. The Philosopher's Stone is the holy grail of alchemy, the key to turning base metals into gold, to confer eternal youth/bring back the dead, and generally to unite the worlds of human arts and and early science with the divine. It looks like Tom set out the theme of Kat (and others, like Tony) pursuing the Philosopher's Stone very early in the comic, and underneath all the slice of life stuff and side plots, it's been the story of Kat going on that journey, and succeeding where every other alchemist in the history of the art has failed, and what the fallout of that is going to be.
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Post by DonDueed on May 27, 2020 19:28:05 GMT
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Post by DonDueed on May 27, 2020 19:37:55 GMT
I'm not sure if anyone pointed this out at the time (or since), but... The Court must have known Annie was alive after she fell into the gorge. Eglamore had possession of Reynardine (in doll form), and he continued to be trapped in that form. If Annie had died that would surely have ended the contract that kept him bound to Annie. So they knew Annie didn't die in the fall. But as far as we know, only Kat made any attempt to rescue her. Why?
Could it be that in the "original" timeline, where presumably Annie died, Reynardine was freed? And there was no rescue because there was no (living) Annie to rescue? And only Kat mounted a rescue because only she knew about the Tic Toks, because she was responsible for their being there? ... Timey wimey!
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Post by wies on May 27, 2020 19:40:56 GMT
Neat, I didn't know that quote was tied to the Philosopher's Stone! I know almost nothing about alchemy, so I would be also interested in reading an essay like that! It's an adaptation of a phrase from a 1677 text, Mutus Liber, supposedly a guide to creating the Philosopher's Stone. The Philosopher's Stone is the holy grail of alchemy, the key to turning base metals into gold, to confer eternal youth/bring back the dead, and generally to unite the worlds of human arts and and early science with the divine. It looks like Tom set out the theme of Kat (and others, like Tony) pursuing the Philosopher's Stone very early in the comic, and underneath all the slice of life stuff and side plots, it's been the story of Kat going on that journey, and succeeding where every other alchemist in the history of the art has failed, and what the fallout of that is going to be. At this point I think you are here the person most suited to write an essay about the role of alchemy in GKC. Now, don't feel obligated to do that of course. But you are so far the only one I saw who made the connection with the theme of life and death, and alchemy.
"must be" indicates it is more likely a guess of her, though.
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Post by DonDueed on May 27, 2020 19:50:01 GMT
"must be" indicates it is more likely a guess of her, though. Well, I was referring to the way she was imagining a schematic of a Tic Tok in that panel. But it was still unclear to her exactly how they worked, hence the big " ?" in the middle. It would be years before she could fill in that box.
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Post by pyradonis on May 28, 2020 22:01:58 GMT
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Post by arcuna on May 29, 2020 11:41:03 GMT
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Post by speedwell on May 29, 2020 12:44:07 GMT
A trivial thing, if anything is trivial here. Coyote does not in fact know that Annie's "fire elemental spirit" was a fire elemental. That's just what he suspects. It's kind of weird phrasing for Mister Mesoamerican Knows All, so it must be deliberate. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=820Oh, and on the very next page, Miss I Feel Nothing is drawn with a distinct and unmistakable unhappy face. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=821
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Post by Druplesnubb on May 29, 2020 12:51:16 GMT
I always found Loup's one copletely Coyotefied ear out of place until I realized that it corresponds with the ear that Ysengrin was missing.
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Post by pyradonis on May 29, 2020 15:39:59 GMT
A trivial thing, if anything is trivial here. Coyote does not in fact know that Annie's "fire elemental spirit" was a fire elemental. That's just what he suspects. It's kind of weird phrasing for Mister Mesoamerican Knows All, so it must be deliberate. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=820Oh, and on the very next page, Miss I Feel Nothing is drawn with a distinct and unmistakable unhappy face. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=821Which is a jarring contrast to the page before, where he says "Just as what will happen when you have a child." Even the author's text under the page calls the "when" out.
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Post by The Anarch on May 30, 2020 4:59:43 GMT
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Post by saardvark on May 30, 2020 14:06:42 GMT
Its like alerting its fellow Tocs "get ready, it's happening" and summoning them to the rescue of falling Annies. A hint that the Tocs are "time fluid"; they have some preknowledge of future events (having traveled from the future themselves, probably programmed with that info)
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Post by Eily on May 30, 2020 18:53:43 GMT
Not sure about "cool", but still something I realized on rereading. Assuming Annie did die (in some other timeline) when she fell off the bridge, then it was quite literally at the hand of Ysengrin, symbolically as well since he was the one who sent the shadow and armed the robot who threw her down the river. Isn't Kat and Annie's tree the same arm though? Can't remember where we learned that from.
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Post by pyradonis on May 30, 2020 19:54:29 GMT
In the page you are linking to, said arm is still growing on S13's body. The arm was planted in Young's park, as seen in "Residential". Though the dialogue suggests it had been in a decon habitat like the one with the cherry tree before it moved to the park.
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Post by jda on May 30, 2020 20:19:00 GMT
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Post by Gotolei on May 30, 2020 20:28:51 GMT
In the page you are linking to, said arm is still growing on S13's body. The arm was planted in Young's park, as seen in "Residential". Though the dialogue suggests it had been in a decon habitat like the one with the cherry tree before it moved to the park. Yep
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Post by echeve on May 31, 2020 7:50:30 GMT
Hi! Had this account for a while but mainly just enjoyed the comic and reading discussions. I'm on a rereading binge though given recent comic events and noticed something (though it's probably been noted before) :0 www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=674In Chapter 26, when Coyote first teaches Annie how to move things when she's in the ether, there's a stylized depiction of the two of them moving through the forest with Annie on Coyote's back while Ysengrin follows them around throughout. On the bottom left of the page, Coyote makes a loop (with Ysengrin watching from below), and when he does, it shows us ‘two’ Annies who appear to be looking at each other. Foreshadowing for 'Loup' and two Annies, maybe?
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Post by saardvark on May 31, 2020 11:38:57 GMT
Hi! Had this account for a while but mainly just enjoyed the comic and reading discussions. I'm on a rereading binge though given recent comic events and noticed something (though it's probably been noted before) :0 www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=674In Chapter 26, when Coyote first teaches Annie how to move things when she's in the ether, there's a stylized depiction of the two of them moving through the forest with Annie on Coyote's back while Ysengrin follows them around throughout. On the bottom left of the page, Coyote makes a loop (with Ysengrin watching from below), and when he does, it shows us ‘two’ Annies who appear to be looking at each other. Foreshadowing for 'Loup' and two Annies, maybe? welcome to the forum, echeve!
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jun 1, 2020 12:56:18 GMT
Its like alerting its fellow Tocs "get ready, it's happening" and summoning them to the rescue of falling Annies. A hint that the Tocs are "time fluid"; they have some preknowledge of future events (having traveled from the future themselves, probably programmed with that info) The Tic Toc on the bridge is AEEEEE summoning BEEEEE. The reader isn't shown CEEEEE, DEEEEE, EEEEEE, and FEEEEE being summoned, or whether AEEEEE summons the other five or each summons the next in turn.
EDIT: Or maybe it was more like BEEEED summoning BEEEEE and we didn't see BEEEEF BEEEF0, BEEEF1, BEEEF2 being summoned. 12,513,010 seems like a lot of Tic Tocs, but it is trivial compared to an infinite number of recursions.
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