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Post by Daedalus on May 8, 2015 21:32:16 GMT
On the third treatise page there is a shadowy man watching Annie and Kat, possibly her dad? The retrospective pointed it out to me I always thought that refers to Diego, who is represented with a nearly-identical image here. But your speculation is quite plausible. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 18, 2015 23:36:04 GMT
Speaking of "I had matters to attend to".
I was re-playing Master of Orion II, and one of "pouting in a tree" messages (during broken diplomatic relations, when "Audience" doesn't even show a hologram) is "We have more pressing matters to attend to at this time".
Who talks like this, indeed?
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Post by Per on Jun 26, 2015 17:45:09 GMT
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Post by Bill on Jun 29, 2015 16:56:13 GMT
My first read was an archive binge (started GC about 2 weeks ago), so I'm sure I missed some already-discussed things. Anyway, #1290: Kat has a poster in her room of her angel form. That flashback takes place before Divine chronologically, but comes after in the comic. |
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Post by brilliantgrey on Jun 29, 2015 20:32:28 GMT
My first read was an archive binge (started GC about 2 weeks ago), so I'm sure I missed some already-discussed things. Anyway, #1290: Kat has a poster in her room of her angel form. That flashback takes place before Divine chronologically, but comes after in the comic. I don't know if I'd call that Kat's Angel in the poster, though. It looks more like a (historically inaccurate) viking. Knowing Kat, it's probably something from a videogame or movie. |
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Post by stef1987 on Jun 29, 2015 21:01:07 GMT
My first read was an archive binge (started GC about 2 weeks ago), so I'm sure I missed some already-discussed things. Anyway, #1290: Kat has a poster in her room of her angel form. That flashback takes place before Divine chronologically, but comes after in the comic. I don't know if I'd call that Kat's Angel in the poster, though. It looks more like a (historically inaccurate) viking. Knowing Kat, it's probably something from a videogame or movie. it looks like katamari damacy with a viking helmet on |
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Post by Bill on Jun 30, 2015 2:05:23 GMT
Looking at the other reference, p1443, which shows more of the vertical profile, it appears you are right. My bad.
...Hopes dashed...
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Post by Rasselas on Jun 30, 2015 2:38:12 GMT
Interesting that she wore it while she was alone in the Court over the summer. Perhaps expecting her father to come for her. |
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Post by Refugee on Jun 30, 2015 5:25:54 GMT
My first read was an archive binge (started GC about 2 weeks ago), so I'm sure I missed some already-discussed things. Anyway, #1290: Kat has a poster in her room of her angel form. That flashback takes place before Divine chronologically, but comes after in the comic. I don't know if I'd call that Kat's Angel in the poster, though. It looks more like a (historically inaccurate) viking. Knowing Kat, it's probably something from a videogame or movie. But perhaps Kat was attracted to that image because it resonated with her inner angel. I kinda like that idea. |
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Post by Gulby on Jun 30, 2015 5:49:14 GMT
I'll post it there, because I can't remember if I posted it on the regular topic or not at the time, and I'm too tired right now to check. On the previous page (end of chapter's), Annie's dress has some sewing darts showing, just as on her medium's dress, although it doesn't show before in this chapter. I find it strange.
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Post by warrl on Jun 30, 2015 7:01:44 GMT
Actually they do show up in one frame here, and here as well. (And perhaps earlier.) But there are lots of other pages (and frames on those pages) without. I was going to guess they might just be odd little folds due to her posture in the more recent page (standing straight, head up, shoulders back), but in most of the earlier ones she's somewhat slouched. |
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Post by Sadie on Jun 30, 2015 16:16:55 GMT
My first read was an archive binge (started GC about 2 weeks ago), so I'm sure I missed some already-discussed things. Anyway, #1290: Kat has a poster in her room of her angel form. That flashback takes place before Divine chronologically, but comes after in the comic. I don't know if I'd call that Kat's Angel in the poster, though. It looks more like a (historically inaccurate) viking. Knowing Kat, it's probably something from a videogame or movie. I figured it was from the anime/manga " Alien Nine". The girls in it wear aliens shaped like winged football helmets on their heads. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Jun 30, 2015 19:32:09 GMT
All drawing is abstracted, I wouldn't read too much into small differences that could just be the artist not wanting to put details on smaller objects/busier panels.
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Post by teirrah1995 on Jul 15, 2015 9:23:15 GMT
One I just saw today www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=310 Annie talking about her father, covering her face with mask, like in Divine and later. |
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Post by philman on Aug 5, 2015 7:48:51 GMT
Something that occured to me today, while generally thinking about the comic on the way to work, there don't seem to be any characters with siblings that I can think of, at all. Can anyone point to any at all?
Having all the characters as only children kind of reinforces the themes of abandonment and aloneness that run through most of the chapters of the comic.
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Post by keef on Aug 5, 2015 8:02:16 GMT
Something that occured to me today, while generally thinking about the comic on the way to work, there don't seem to be any characters with siblings that I can think of, at all. Can anyone point to any at all? Having all the characters as only children kind of reinforces the themes of abandonment and aloneness that run through most of the chapters of the comic. Yeah, it came up before. Apart from Hetty's owners (as warrl noted), no known siblings in the court. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Aug 5, 2015 10:20:09 GMT
Something that occured to me today, while generally thinking about the comic on the way to work, there don't seem to be any characters with siblings that I can think of, at all. Can anyone point to any at all? Having all the characters as only children kind of reinforces the themes of abandonment and aloneness that run through most of the chapters of the comic. Yeah, it came up before. Apart from Hetty's owners (as warrl noted), no known siblings in the court. That would explain the emptiness of the Court and the need 60 new Foley students each year. |
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Post by philman on Aug 5, 2015 10:23:27 GMT
Hmm interesting. I didn't realise it had come up before (40 page threads aren't exactly made for easy reading...). If Hetty's previous owners are the only ones known then that's still pretty rare. Even counting for that perhaps it is unusual for two siblings to be born with the prerequisites for the court, many of the kids are the children of court employees, none of whom seem to have more than one child that we know of either.
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Post by warrl on Aug 5, 2015 17:50:23 GMT
Well, it's been said that students in different years generally don't interact much. And siblings would generally be in different years (except for twins, of course, but twins aren't common).
Our focus has been mostly on the school portion of the Court with little shown interaction with non-school people. And even in the school, the focus has been on one house of one class. The only faculty whose private life has been shown at all (that I remember) are Eglamore (apparently unmarried), Jones (definitely a special case), and the Donlans (I think we've seen enough of them to be reasonably sure they only have one child).
I don't think we can really say whether there are few, or many, siblings in the school, let alone the rest of the Court.
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Post by mordekai on Aug 8, 2015 17:28:37 GMT
A question: The Traveller short story implies that Paz's parents were basically bribed with a lot of money so she would be sent to the Court... do we have any other clue about children being "adquired" that way? I wonder what the Court would do if some of its most precious adquisitions choose to run to the Forest. Zimmy, for example; I think her troubles would be solved if she gave up on her humanity and became some kind of true magical creature... would the Court try to stop her, both to avoid the loss of a valuable subject of study and to prevent the Forest's to gain a powerful godling? (because that's what she would become if she gained control of her power). |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Aug 9, 2015 1:00:55 GMT
A question: The Traveller short story implies that Paz's parents were basically bribed with a lot of money so she would be sent to the Court... do we have any other clue about children being "adquired" that way? I wonder what the Court would do if some of its most precious adquisitions choose to run to the Forest. Zimmy, for example; I think her troubles would be solved if she gave up on her humanity and became some kind of true magical creature... would the Court try to stop her, both to avoid the loss of a valuable subject of study and to prevent the Forest's to gain a powerful godling? (because that's what she would become if she gained control of her power). There are some discussions related to what you have under your spoiler in the Traveler thread (open spoilers in that thread). Based on the Court's handling of Renard, I think it is safe to assume that they would try to stop someone from going to the Forest if they thought it threatened the Court. But beyond that fear, I think the Court would accept the loss of a significant talent. They didn't stop Surma from leaving the Court. The Court currently appears to be a faceless and emotionless government. But Tom has already said through Paz that the Court is really just people who are trying to do what they think is best. Those unseen people have their own fears and make mistakes. But I think they mostly let people develop and live as individuals. Mostly. |
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Post by wombat140 on Sept 14, 2015 19:45:15 GMT
Speaking of Zimmy, on www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=192 when Zimmy's been having her flashback in the library, in panel 1 she's still wearing the blue top that she's wearing in the memory. Might be either because we're seeing from Zimmy's point of view, or a case of "things starting to happen for real". Also, that's a really good way of showing a touch-telepathy effect, simple but effective, I should remember that. The page before that reminds me irresistibly of this incident from Widdershins: www.widdershinscomic.com/wdshn/april-18th-2012/Context: Jack reckons himself much the more streetwise one of the two... normally... when he remembers to think before he acts... hence the plaster on his nose at this moment... but he can't actually read. And the answer is yes, yes he did. |
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Post by goldenknots on Sept 14, 2015 20:09:58 GMT
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Post by pxc on Sept 18, 2015 14:19:11 GMT
I don't know how "cool" this is, but given what we know now about Annie's circumstances (her mother's death, her father's abandonment, etc), I see this page and the next through a different lens than when I first binged through the comic. There was no real panic from her. She just closed her eyes and waited to die. Even though a few pages later she was angry with Red and Blue for wanting to die for no reason. |
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Post by wombat140 on Sept 20, 2015 20:37:10 GMT
Goldenknots: was that meant to be in the "Can you find..." thread? Thanks then.
PXC, I see where you're coming from there.
As for Zimmy, you're probably right that the Forest people would have a much better idea how to deal with this, but that'd be something Zimmy'd be well advised to do only in the last resort. One, the only (ex-)Forest person who's actually been asked about her calls her a demon and clearly thinks she should just be got rid of; two, if she went, there'd be no going back. The Court might or might not let her go; the Forest certainly never would (unless they thought there might be an explosion and wanted it to happen on the Court's premises rather than theirs). Both eyes on the main chance, always!
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Post by keef on Sept 20, 2015 22:33:20 GMT
given what we know now about Annie's circumstances (her mother's death, her father's abandonment, etc), I see this page and the next through a different lens than when I first binged through the comic. There was no real panic from her. She just closed her eyes and waited to die. And she remembered something about her mum. A trivial event made important by her mother's attempt to comfort her. Off topic... I've read about people who survived a fall like that, and a lot of them felt calm, and could think clearly at the time. And, as most people in that story were suicidal and jumped off a bridge or building, they thought things like: "Why did I just do that. That was stupid." Adding another horror to suicide. Tom's comment on that page: Annie can't abide someone who would throw their life away. She just lost her all important mother. Guided her into the ether, so in fact lost her twice. Then falls to her death, very much against her will. And then two airheads ask her to take their lives... |
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Post by goldenknots on Sept 21, 2015 1:20:38 GMT
Goldenknots: was that meant to be in the "Can you find..." thread? Thanks then. Hm. Presumably I hit the wrong button somewhere. Yes, it was. You're welcome. :) |
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Post by matoyak on Sept 21, 2015 2:01:57 GMT
Tom's comment on that page: Annie can't abide someone who would throw their life away. She just lost her all important mother. Guided her into the ether, so in fact lost her twice. Then falls to her death, very much against her will. And then two airheads ask her to take their lives... Has interesting implications about what she feels* about Tony's willingness to just throw his life away after his Fun House Trip Through Hell, eh? *Or, rather, what she'll feel once she's back in one piece, as opposed to two |
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Post by keef on Oct 6, 2015 20:50:12 GMT
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Post by goldenknots on Oct 6, 2015 21:53:25 GMT
Anja and Donald both seem quite upset, yes. Speaking of that chapter, just noticed how much effort whatsisname (that guy who keeps showing up...) was putting in when he swung against Ysengrin, a few pages later. Look at the cracks under his feet. |
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