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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Feb 21, 2015 5:17:35 GMT
Reading back on the chapter, the Stone, I have to wonder. if we take what Coyote said about the human mind can give shape to powerful beings via the ether to be true, what could possibly give rise to Jones? What thought / belief brought about her existence? Spoiler tag in consideration for possible new readers. I don't know where to put this.
Personal guess would be that Jones is born from legends associated with immortals. Her specific properties may result from underlying assumptions about what a being such as her would have to be like.
And once created by the mind of Man imparting thoughts into the ether, then Jones has always existed.
The only wrinkle with this idea is that Jones does not have any etheric abilities, unlike Coyote who is swimming in the ether. |
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Post by machival on Feb 21, 2015 6:47:39 GMT
Personal guess would be that Jones is born from legends associated with immortals. Her specific properties may result from underlying assumptions about what a being such as her would have to be like.
And once created by the mind of Man imparting thoughts into the ether, then Jones has always existed.
The only wrinkle with this idea is that Jones does not have any etheric abilities, unlike Coyote who is swimming in the ether.
Perhaps only creatures whose are supposed to have magical abilities in human myth get ether powers? We've yet to see a truly mundane or mostly mundane figure of myth in the comic.
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 21, 2015 7:26:10 GMT
Reading back on the chapter, the Stone, I have to wonder. if we take what Coyote said about the human mind can give shape to powerful beings via the ether to be true, what could possibly give rise to Jones? What thought / belief brought about her existence? Spoiler tag in consideration for possible new readers. I don't know where to put this.
Personal guess would be that Jones is born from legends associated with immortals. Her specific properties may result from underlying assumptions about what a being such as her would have to be like.
Personally I thought of her as Galatea (from the Pygmalion myth). Statue-like, eternal lover of ephemeral mortals, born from the thoughts of man. |
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Post by machival on Feb 21, 2015 7:31:03 GMT
Personal guess would be that Jones is born from legends associated with immortals. Her specific properties may result from underlying assumptions about what a being such as her would have to be like.
Personally I thought of her as Galatea (from the Pygmalion myth). Statue-like, eternal lover of ephemeral mortals, born from the thoughts of man. That works too, and makes a lot of sense. |
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 19, 2015 13:15:13 GMT
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Post by lit on Mar 19, 2015 18:06:03 GMT
"Love" vs. "my love", though. Interesting, nevertheless. |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 28, 2015 5:28:02 GMT
I just recently beat Borderlands 2.
I just now went back and started re-reading the first chapter of GKC.
The result is that I can't not hear Robot as having Claptrap's voice.
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Post by sapientcoffee on Mar 28, 2015 5:58:23 GMT
That's how I hear Boxbot.
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Post by Corvo on Apr 6, 2015 0:19:08 GMT
(Didn't know where else to post it, so I'll just leave it here) I was just rereading some old stuff when I came across this:   Now I wonder if Tom actually took inspiration on it. I mean, come on:  |
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Post by Per on Apr 6, 2015 0:45:23 GMT
Neat find. But don't all English 19th-century novels begin, "My name is Molly Foulcrane. I would like to share with you the remarkable events that took place in the small towne of Darkentwine-on-Woople, and the dark and dusty environs thereabout..." Edit: gosh golly etheric hair  |
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Post by youwiththeface on Apr 15, 2015 4:33:08 GMT
Before Annie helped guide a boy into the aether, her mother told her she would never send her into danger. The boy died in a fire. Annie is part fire elemental. Yeah.
Renard couldn't jump into a human body without killing the person it belonged to...but the court makes bodies for animals to transfer into. If Renard ever wanted to try being human again, there might be a way for him to do so without killing anyone else. And depending on whether the court was doing this back in Surma's day and Coyote knew before talking Renard into body stealing...well, that kind of thing would be in character for him, but to what end?
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Post by keef on Apr 15, 2015 13:04:49 GMT
Renard couldn't jump into a human body without killing the person it belonged to...but the court makes bodies for animals to transfer into. If Renard ever wanted to try being human again, there might be a way for him to do so without killing anyone else. Ah yes, good point, although a human body may not be the best choice to escape from the court. Earlier speculation was he might take the body of a robot, and thinking about it, a TicToc would be great, the court never managed to catch one.Coyote only has one goal: Fun. |
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Post by youwiththeface on Apr 16, 2015 22:08:45 GMT
Coyote only has one goal: Fun. I'm sure that's a goal of Coyote's. I don't think it's his only goal myself, though. I've got an idea he's a chess master (though not the only one in this story) obfuscating stupidity combo. Obfuscating carelessness? Eh, you get the picture. Something occurred to me about part elemental kids, too. All similarly descended kids probably have to worry about the same thing Surma did and Annie does; that having a child will eventually end in their death. Except...except for the kids who aren't straight. Thinking about it, I imagine that gay and/or bisexual elemental kids could end up living a lot longer than their straight counterparts. And now all I'm thinking about is how cool it would be to meet other elemental kids, especially ones of differing elements than Annie's. That would be really cool. |
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Post by keef on Apr 16, 2015 22:58:00 GMT
Something occurred to me about part elemental kids, too. All similarly descended kids probably have to worry about the same thing Surma did and Annie does; that having a child will eventually end in their death. Except...except for the kids who aren't straight. Thinking about it, I imagine that gay and/or bisexual elemental kids could end up living a lot longer than their straight counterparts. Or simply not have children. I still think Coyote meant she could not avoid her fate. That is a great speculation. The four elements are important in alchemy, alchemy is one of the basics of GC. She is going to meet this really down to earth guy/girl. |
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Post by youwiththeface on Apr 16, 2015 23:16:50 GMT
I wanted to factor in the possibility that having kids and passing on their spirit is something people like Annie are sort of drawn to do, like it's an urge or a part of their nature. In that case a straight couple would be more in danger than a gay one. And it would just be funny to me to think that this was quite likely a big deal for Annie and her family while another such family wouldn't have to worry at all. |
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Post by keef on Apr 16, 2015 23:37:03 GMT
I wanted to factor in the possibility that having kids and passing on their spirit is something people like Annie are sort of drawn to do, like it's an urge or a part of their nature. In that case a straight couple would be more in danger than a gay one. And it would just be funny to me to think that this was quite likely a big deal for Annie and her family while another such family wouldn't have to worry at all. Sure, at last a situation where your parents would be happy to hear you're gay. But belief shapes reality in the Gunnerverse so you probably can get pregnant from toilet seats. Even in the case of sterilization, something would go wrong. |
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Post by Corvo on Apr 17, 2015 0:07:58 GMT
I wanted to factor in the possibility that having kids and passing on their spirit is something people like Annie are sort of drawn to do, like it's an urge or a part of their nature. In that case a straight couple would be more in danger than a gay one. And it would just be funny to me to think that this was quite likely a big deal for Annie and her family while another such family wouldn't have to worry at all. Sure, at last a situation where your parents would be happy to hear you're gay. But belief shapes reality in the Gunnerverse so you probably can get pregnant from toilet seats. Even in the case of sterilization, something would go wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 17:33:00 GMT
While looking up some minutiae about Tristan and Isolde at the library, I came across the mention of a less famous Late Medieval poem entitled... well, see for yourself. I don't intend to read it, but it might just find someone's interest. Edit: Neat find. But don't all English 19th-century novels begin, "My name is Molly Foulcrane. I would like to share with you the remarkable events that took place in the small towne of Darkentwine-on-Woople, and the dark and dusty environs thereabout..." Not quite! Some also briefly describe the environs first.There's the "Donlan water spiral" on the other girl's forehead, too, isn't it? |
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Post by Daedalus on Apr 20, 2015 17:45:25 GMT
Also, Kate Rusby wrote a song about a Sir Eglamore (and we know Tom loves Kate Rusby - The Annan Waters are taken from her song). But I suspect that Kate Rusby's song in turn was influenced by the poem you brought to light here.
Perhaps the happy ending of that Medieval poem foreshadows good things for JimmyJims. Or maybe not...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 17:52:43 GMT
I had heard about that, but unless the song, which I've never listened to, mentions a dragon-slayer specifically, I assume Tom is also aware of the poem. Perhaps the happy ending of that Medieval poem foreshadows good things for JimmyJims. Or maybe not... The joke is that Jay Jay Okocha Eglamore actually has met a woman (citation needed) who will always be there for him, and it's not quite what he wants. I have the suspicion that the comic deals with Medieval ideas of courtship quite often. |
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Post by Daedalus on Apr 20, 2015 17:53:59 GMT
I had heard about that, but unless the song, which I've never listened to, mentions a dragon-slayer specifically, I assume Tom is also aware of the poem. It does. The song is about a knight trying to slay a dragon (it's a bit ambiguous on whether he succeeds though). However, the poem also involves a giant boar and a boring giant, while the song and webcomic do not. So I'm inclined to believe that the parallels are closer to the song. |
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Post by guitarminotaur on Apr 21, 2015 22:58:15 GMT
You know, re-reading the comic's first chapters, I realise that while some hunger for the resolution of mysteries and while some ponder on symbolism...
...I really wanna see another dragon!
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Post by youwiththeface on Apr 28, 2015 11:15:50 GMT
On page 1250 and 1251 you can see Ether-Coyote. Which makes sense given 1252.
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Post by zimmyzims on Apr 29, 2015 14:24:57 GMT
The joke is that Jay Jay Okocha Eglamore actually has met a woman (citation needed) who will always be there for him, and it's not quite what he wants. " To wait fifteen years for him", well, if he doesn't live any longer than that. |
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Post by pxc on Apr 29, 2015 16:52:06 GMT
I'm re-reading chapter 7.
- Donnie explicitly says Anthony ensured Annie would be provided for. Is that cannon though? I thought Surma did that. Surma's idea, but executed by Anthony before he disappeared?
Is this just Don's spin on it because it's his friend and he has a blind spot? Anja and Eglamore don't seem so convinced.
- At this point Anthony had disappeared. Annie called the hospital where she thought he worked and was told he no longer was there. What is the timeline of these events?
- Eglamore's rant about Tony. What did he mean by "first Surma"? In what way did he put himself above Surma? Has that been answered?
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Post by muningray on Apr 30, 2015 17:20:44 GMT
A few nights ago I came across this page. Check out panel five. When the page first came out I assumed Jones was referring to the upcoming selection of the Court's medium. But it might also suggest that Jones knew about Anthony's imminent return. Take note of the fact that she is specifically warning Annie about the potential consequences of her disregard of the rules and the fact that the Court will not continue to be lenient forever. And "The Stone" takes place only two chapters after the whole bone laser debacle. |
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Post by keef on Apr 30, 2015 21:35:55 GMT
Also, Kate Rusby wrote a song about a Sir Eglamore (and we know Tom loves Kate Rusby - The Annan Waters are taken from her song). But I suspect that Kate Rusby's song in turn was influenced by the poem you brought to light here. Perhaps the happy ending of that Medieval poem foreshadows good things for JimmyJims. Or maybe not... I'm sure Tom based Eglamore on the Kate Rusby song, but she didn't write it. It's a variant of Child ballad 18, Sir Lionel. Not half as catchy as my favourite Twa Corbies. First time I heard that was in a Frisian translation by the great Doede Veeman.
Reading the lyrics of Sir Eglamore and the Dragon made me think of this: 
This dragon had a plaguey hide,
That could the sharpest steel abide,
No sword could enter through her skin,
Which vexed the knight and made her grin
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Post by Eversist on Apr 30, 2015 23:08:24 GMT
A few nights ago I came across this page. Check out panel five. When the page first came out I assumed Jones was referring to the upcoming selection of the Court's medium. But it might also suggest that Jones knew about Anthony's imminent return. Take note of the fact that she is specifically warning Annie about the potential consequences of her disregard of the rules and the fact that the Court will not continue to be lenient forever. And "The Stone" takes place only two chapters after the whole bone laser debacle. Awesome catch! I wonder if you're correct. |
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Post by gunnerwf on May 1, 2015 0:18:45 GMT
On the third treatise page there is a shadowy man watching Annie and Kat, possibly her dad? The retrospective pointed it out to me
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Post by ih8pkmn on May 2, 2015 5:50:50 GMT
I saw something on Treatise Page 5 that I thought was amusing. The triangle at the top contains the Greek letters Zeta, Gamma and Iota. You get one guess as to who the first two letters refer to, but Iota confused me... until I realized that Iota was the Greek equivalent to the letter J, as in Jack. Tom literally put in a Love Triangle on a Treatise Page. |
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