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Post by pyradonis on Apr 21, 2021 13:45:32 GMT
I have to admit what suprises me about Tony is that it makes him *angry* that his daughter looks like his wife. Some people take solace in that!!! He really does need a lot of therapy. More even than I thought. Good he's at least a bit self-aware though, whew, talk about a lot to sort through. To be honest, I understood it as him being angry mainly because "the forest sent an impostor with Surma's face". That he cannot perceive it as Annie's face is its own problem in itself. But I think I would be equally furious if I thought someone was trying to fool me (edit: or anyone else) by disguising themselves as either my daughter or my dead wife.
He was probably aware of it, but was still thinking he could keep Surma alive. By the way, I'm still not sure if he even wanted a child. Or if it even was anyone's decision (see: "The same will happen to you when you have a child.").
I fully fault Tony for impregnating Surma, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. As in, I expect that the mechanics of reproduction are identical to what you would expect in normal humans. Even if there was no discussion about wanting children, I'm pretty sure Antimony is here because of unsafe choices made by Tony. I have a hard time imagining Surma letting herself getting impregnated against her will. But I do hope that at one point we will learn more about the circumstances. Right now it is still a black box full of question marks. |
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Post by worldsong on Apr 21, 2021 14:30:51 GMT
I have to admit what suprises me about Tony is that it makes him *angry* that his daughter looks like his wife. Some people take solace in that!!! He really does need a lot of therapy. More even than I thought. Good he's at least a bit self-aware though, whew, talk about a lot to sort through. To be honest, I understood it as him being angry mainly because "the forest sent an impostor with Surma's face". That he cannot perceive it as Annie's face is its own problem in itself. But I think I would be equally furious if I thought someone was trying to fool me by disguising themselves as either my daughter or my dead wife.
I fully fault Tony for impregnating Surma, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. As in, I expect that the mechanics of reproduction are identical to what you would expect in normal humans. Even if there was no discussion about wanting children, I'm pretty sure Antimony is here because of unsafe choices made by Tony. I have a hard time imagining Surma letting herself getting impregnated against her will. But I do hope that at one point we will learn more about the circumstances. Right now it is still a black box full of question marks. Gotta agree that I find it strange to assume that Surma getting pregnant is somehow completely Tony's fault with zero input from Surma. I realize that since Surma was the one who paid the price it's easy to think of her as the victim but so far she hasn't been portrayed as someone who'd get forced or bullied into having a child against her will, especially if she knew that it would have the side effect of her dying. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 21, 2021 15:10:05 GMT
Thoughts after further reflection: There's a war in the dude's mind and truth is the first casualty in wars. He thought, with some reason to do so, that he was seeing an entity from the Wood who was here to do some sort of harm in the guise of his daughter. It's normal for that to provoke a primal sort of anger. I think we can all agree the dude's got issues and sees the world through the lens of those issues at least some of the time. I can buy that his first thought on seeing Fannie was "SURMAAAA" however how he acted after that does not match up with what he's described so far and it seems to deviate from how he acted when he met Antimony on his return to the school (see previous post for link). Therefore I am thinking that he is also remembering what happened when he met Fannie through that same issues-clouded lens and his reaction may not have been as bad as he thinks.
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Post by mitten on Apr 21, 2021 15:18:28 GMT
In Tony's mind, even his issues have issues, covered with issue sprinkles and a Surma-flavoured issue on top. At least he knows he acted horrible when he first returned to the Court, which is a babystep in the right direction. I still don't get how what he says here on this page re his initial feelings towards Forest Annie matches that he then opened up and acted more nicely towards her than towards Court Annie. Hope we are finally going to get that long awaited explanation.
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Post by caber on Apr 21, 2021 15:36:26 GMT
Since everyone else is taking this in stride. My extremely normal, healthy knee jerk reaction of self-confessed hatred both times I saw my daughter after a long period of time had passed. Wife-imposter! Even though she's underage and all, clearly a forest temptress deaged clone come to GET me, and only living with her disabused me of this disgusting notion Emotions do not conform to what is deemed appropriate, they don't care what is right or wrong. You've never felt something that you knew was wrong, but felt it nonetheless? I'd find it difficult to believe. The fact that when given the opportunity he IMMEDIATELY told the truth about he was feeling is a GOOD sign. Admitting that you have a problem is the first step toward fixing it. Branding someone who confesses that they are having intrusive and troubling thoughts as a deviant is a big problem in the real world too, often leading a person not to seek help because they feel that they are a lost cause. |
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Post by lurkerbot on Apr 21, 2021 15:48:16 GMT
But I think I would be equally furious if I thought someone was trying to fool me by disguising themselves as either my daughter or my dead wife. Agreed, especially after he had this experience. |
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Post by ohthatone on Apr 21, 2021 15:49:15 GMT
He was probably aware of it, but was still thinking he could keep Surma alive. By the way, I'm still not sure if he even wanted a child. Or if it even was anyone's decision (see: "The same will happen to you when you have a child.").
I fully fault Tony for impregnating Surma, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. As in, I expect that the mechanics of reproduction are identical to what you would expect in normal humans. Even if there was no discussion about wanting children, I'm pretty sure Antimony is here because of unsafe choices made by Tony. I also have a hard time believing tony got surma pregnant without her ok. I'm currently of the belief surmas pregnancy was an accident. That feels like it matches what we know of their personalities and relationship rather than acting out of hubris she could be "cured". |
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Post by sleepcircle on Apr 21, 2021 15:55:52 GMT
Since everyone else is taking this in stride. My extremely normal, healthy knee jerk reaction of self-confessed hatred both times I saw my daughter after a long period of time had passed. Wife-imposter! Even though she's underage and all, clearly a forest temptress deaged clone come to GET me, and only living with her disabused me of this disgusting notion You're the one adding sex to all this. It isn't in the story at all. Eglamore's early interactions with her were more awkwardly sexual than Tony's have ever been. I don't think he's attracted to Annie, I think he just feels almost insane with guilt and grief, seeing "surma" alive when she's dead and he (in his mind) killed her. |
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Post by sleepcircle on Apr 21, 2021 16:06:29 GMT
Dunno why you had to go and make it weird.
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Post by lurkerbot on Apr 21, 2021 16:10:14 GMT
Seeing Tony's outwardly stoic demeanor even during episodes of severe inner turmoil reminds me of Coyote's observations. Also, I understand that practitioners of martial arts strive to rigidly control their physical behavior whatever their emotions may be. |
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Post by basser on Apr 21, 2021 16:10:20 GMT
So uh am I the only one who thinks Tony's conditional social skills are the result of etheric nonsense?
Look, y'all. Tony has the willpower and determination to surgically remove his own hand. Think about how that whole situation had to have gone down. He finds shady bug monsters in a cave that maybe doesn't even exist in this reality, they're like "sup dude give us ur hand and you can see your dead wife", and Tony goes "sounds great, how about you all just hang tight for a few while I carefully craft a cipher which both starts with my daughter's name and tells my best friend what to send me via my magic satellite, then call my daughter, wait several hours, and then surgically remove my own hand, cause I ain't just chopping this bad boy off with a sharp rock". Hilarity of Tony chillin with bug monsters in a cave aside, that means he made a decision to de-hand himself and then stuck with it even after significant time to reconsider. That's insane determination. And y'all think he couldn't successfully apply that lunatic singlemindedness to dealing with his social anxiety? What?? Yeah I get that anxiety is tough but this man is in his 40s, he'd be able to at least push past it for short bursts if it were a natural thing. Only way I can see it making sense with his character is if it's an etheric aspect he's literally unable to change. Which might go a long way towards explaining why he's all about telling etheric nonsense to get rektd.
Incidentally, what do y'all think about the idea that maybe he was tryna pull Surma's ghost out of the ether in an attempt to convince himself that Annie isn't Surma, on account of he wants to be able to treat his daughter right, and that's why he was willing to do the hand thing, and why he made sure to call Annie as part of the message? But then all that just wound up pulling Surma out of Annie, reinforcing the perception that they're the same person?? Holy cripes.
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Post by oneandoneis2 on Apr 21, 2021 16:56:36 GMT
I also have a hard time believing tony got surma pregnant without her ok. I'm currently of the belief surmas pregnancy was an accident. That feels like it matches what we know of their personalities and relationship rather than acting out of hubris she could be "cured". seems to contradict that: Seems pretty clear that the pregnancy was planned because Tony was sure he could keep Surma from dying |
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Post by speedwell on Apr 21, 2021 16:57:10 GMT
Apropos of nothing, Tony saying "I feel like I lost a daughter" means that he thinks he knows what it feels like to have and love a daughter. Otherwise the statement makes no sense at all.
The hate he felt when he saw "Forest Surma" must have contained a whole world of hatred for the evil bug sorcerors who tricked him. What's worse than having been taken advantage of nearly to death? Your abusers appearing to return for a second helping.
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Post by fia on Apr 21, 2021 17:57:30 GMT
I have to admit what suprises me about Tony is that it makes him *angry* that his daughter looks like his wife. Some people take solace in that!!! He really does need a lot of therapy. More even than I thought. Good he's at least a bit self-aware though, whew, talk about a lot to sort through. To be honest, I understood it as him being angry mainly because "the forest sent an impostor with Surma's face". That he cannot perceive it as Annie's face is its own problem in itself. But I think I would be equally furious if I thought someone was trying to fool me by disguising themselves as either my daughter or my dead wife. But he also reacted with anger when he saw Annie after his own initial return to the Court. He was a complete dick. Which is why it's good that this second time he was self-aware enough to check his outward behavior and not make the second mistake twice, I thought -– but what I mean is one shouldn't be angry that one's child looks like one's dead wife. Why??? Especially after he realized he had been tricked into almost killing his daughter to get his wife back??? Follow up ––– like does he genuinely subconsciously blame Annie for the death of her mom? I thought we had gone past that! Oof!!! EDIT TO SAY: I think this page also shows evidence he knows how crazy he's been and he's worked towards thinking differently. He must have had some breakthrough or other in order to improve his relationship with the Annies in the past few months; I'm just hoping that's enough for him to stick to it, and that's why he can talk about it now, and that's why he's sad he "lost" a daughter, particularly after he was improving his relationship with the two of them so much. He was able to genuinely feel both children were his daughters, I hope? Which was not his initial reaction. If so, that's a good kind of growth and I'm here for it. I just think he is badly off enough that he shouldn't be able to introspect every bad impulse or emotion he has away. That's... not how psychology works. |
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Post by frogspawned on Apr 21, 2021 18:25:39 GMT
He was probably aware of it, but was still thinking he could keep Surma alive. By the way, I'm still not sure if he even wanted a child. Or if it even was anyone's decision (see: "The same will happen to you when you have a child.").
I fully fault Tony for impregnating Surma, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. As in, I expect that the mechanics of reproduction are identical to what you would expect in normal humans. Even if there was no discussion about wanting children, I'm pretty sure Antimony is here because of unsafe choices made by Tony. You're not suggesting she didn't consent?
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Post by Fishy on Apr 21, 2021 18:26:40 GMT
Incidentally, what do y'all think about the idea that maybe he was tryna pull Surma's ghost out of the ether in an attempt to convince himself that Annie isn't Surma, on account of he wants to be able to treat his daughter right, and that's why he was willing to do the hand thing, and why he made sure to call Annie as part of the message? But then all that just wound up pulling Surma out of Annie, reinforcing the perception that they're the same person?? Holy cripes. I don't think Tony thought that far head, but I don't say that in a negative way. I think Tony is an incredibly smart person who, seeing what the Court was capable of, was certain that he'd be able to save Surma. After all if technology can manipulate the ether, a thing most people equate to magic and can distort the very fabric of our world, then who's to say it couldn't both save Surma and their daughter? So when that didn't work, I think... Tony must have stopped relying on the things he could control. The Court knows a lot, but if you compare what they can do with the Ether and what a being like Coyote can do with it? It's not even comparable. I think Tony must have accepted that this is something he wouldn't be able to control... but just because he couldn't control it, that doesn't mean he can't still get the result he wants. He just had to... find people who knew things he never could. The ether works on laws he, and most others could never understand, but laws still. Someone out there could make it happen, bring back Surma alongside Annie. And when it turned out there was indeed a price to be paid... that just makes sense, doesn't it? He needs to give up something to have Surma back. Here is the most literal possible interpretation of that, why think there would be any trickery involved? He didn't understand any further and he didn't have to understand, because he was already at the point of having accepted that he would never understand, and that maybe it could be okay regardless. And as we saw with the results... that's a terrible ethic. After dealing with creatures like that, I wouldn't want my daughter spending time with them in the forest either. I do think it must be something etheric, by the way. No one gets into Gunnerkrigg by being normal. Whatever's going on in Tony's head that makes him lock up around multiple people, or Annie? I'm convinced it must be etheric. |
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Post by shaihulud on Apr 21, 2021 18:33:43 GMT
I do think it must be something etheric, by the way. No one gets into Gunnerkrigg by being normal. Whatever's going on in Tony's head that makes him lock up around multiple people, or Annie? I'm convinced it must be etheric. Nah, I have a severe anxiety disorder, and I do that too. Not saying he doesn't have something etheric going on, just that it isn't the only explanation possible. |
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Post by yinglung on Apr 21, 2021 18:44:31 GMT
So uh am I the only one who thinks Tony's conditional social skills are the result of etheric nonsense? Personally, I think it's natural. I have very similar tendencies, despite having a supportive family and belonging to a religion that encourages socializing. Tony has been very evasive about his family life, so it wouldn't surprise me if a dysfunctional family situation is why he's slightly more closed off than I am. There doesn't need to be a magical explanation for social anxiety and/or undiagnosed/mild autism/aspergers. As for why he hasn't improved despite being ~40 years old, social anxiety is a downward spiral that keeps people from gaining the experience in socializing needed to overcome it. |
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Post by worldsong on Apr 21, 2021 18:44:47 GMT
To be honest, I understood it as him being angry mainly because "the forest sent an impostor with Surma's face". That he cannot perceive it as Annie's face is its own problem in itself. But I think I would be equally furious if I thought someone was trying to fool me by disguising themselves as either my daughter or my dead wife. But he also reacted with anger when he saw Annie after his own initial return to the Court. He was a complete dick. Which is why it's good that this second time he was self-aware enough to check his outward behavior and not make the second mistake twice, I thought -– but what I mean is one shouldn't be angry that one's child looks like one's dead wife. Why??? Especially after he realized he had been tricked into almost killing his daughter to get his wife back??? Follow up ––– like does he genuinely subconsciously blame Annie for the death of her mom? I thought we had gone past that! Oof!!! EDIT TO SAY: I think this page also shows evidence he knows how crazy he's been and he's worked towards thinking differently. He must have had some breakthrough or other in order to improve his relationship with the Annies in the past few months; I'm just hoping that's enough for him to stick to it, and that's why he can talk about it now, and that's why he's sad he "lost" a daughter, particularly after he was improving his relationship with the two of them so much. He was able to genuinely feel both children were his daughters, I hope? Which was not his initial reaction. If so, that's a good kind of growth and I'm here for it. I just think he is badly off enough that he shouldn't be able to introspect every bad impulse or emotion he has away. That's... not how psychology works. In all fairness when most men see that their daughter looks a lot like their wife it's an all around positive thing because it means their child, who they love, reminds them of their spouse, who they also love. Also some stuff how children are proof of the love two adults share for each other.
Meanwhile a part of Tony looks at Annie and thinks "There's the leech that killed the woman I loved by draining her soul" because there's a supernatural element involved which caused that to happen.
Which is unreasonable, since Annie didn't have a choice in the matter, but I'm pretty sure Tony is aware it's unreasonable and is trying to lock that part of him away. Unfortunately he's not good with emotions and is even worse at getting help from others so instead of going through therapy and purging himself of those irrational and harmful thoughts he just freezes whenever Annie is involved.
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Post by warrl on Apr 21, 2021 18:45:22 GMT
"quickly, how can i interpret this new revelation into the inner workings of tony's characer in the absolutely worst way possible?" -- every reader EDIT: present company excepted, of course I'm pretty sure that where that link goes isn't where it was supposed to go. |
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Post by Gemminie on Apr 21, 2021 18:48:25 GMT
So clearly Tony can express emotion when alone with Jones. Apparently he hated Forest Annie with the burning rage of a thousand suns when he first saw her. As Tom's comment points out, he expressed precisely zero of this rage at the time. That second panel is absolutely awesome. The fish-eye lens effect, the PoV of being right there ... this coupled with what he's saying makes me wonder exactly who "I" is here. Who exactly was filled with blinding anger when he saw her? Because this anger is completely detached from the Tony we saw at the time. It's as if his emotional self is locked away in some sort of cage, inside his mind, or something. And that self can only come out under very specific conditions. This panel feels a lot like dissociation, which makes Tony seem as if Emotional Tony tends to watch from a distance, letting Intellectual Tony deal with most day-to-day affairs. The third panel shows the sort of thing we've seen before, here and here. The fragmentation behind his head suggests that things are not at all fine back there (does he have other fragments?). He makes it very clear that he saw an impostor wearing Surma's face, not Annie's. And that was the same reaction he had to Annie when he first saw her in chapter 51, only this time he handled it better. I have to wonder whether that's the reaction he had when he first saw Annie after she was born. How did he handle it then? And then another revelation comes ... he'd thought that he'd learned to treat Court Annie as her own individual, rather than the Impostor with Surma's Face, but then Forest Annie appeared and "proved him wrong." In what way? Well, considering that it's the final panel of this page, he's probably about to elaborate on that on the next page. I think we're about to find out why he was able to open up to Forest Annie. But we've made it clear that up to that point, he knew that Court Annie was Annie. He'd had no reason to believe otherwise, no evidence that there was another Annie anywhere in existence. And suddenly there's another one. What this page is making abundantly clear is that however we see Tony reacting to anything, that's just the surface. There's a whole world below that surface, and that surface is completely opaque, betraying absolutely nothing of what's going on under there. |
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Post by warrl on Apr 21, 2021 18:53:19 GMT
Apropos of nothing, Tony saying "I feel like I lost a daughter" means that he thinks he knows what it feels like to have and love a daughter. Otherwise the statement makes no sense at all. Nobody's accused him of being incapable of loving ( showing it is another matter). And maybe he had worked around to loving one or both of the Antimonys as a daughter. (He's pretty much saying that at the time Fannie came home, he wasn't there yet.) |
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Post by silicondream on Apr 21, 2021 18:56:49 GMT
It’s interesting to see that here, as in most Annie-related areas, Eglamore and Tony are emotional mirror images. When Forest Annie first appeared, James reacted in exactly the same way Tony’s now admitting to: suspicion, hostility, rejection. He just did it all out loud, without worrying much about the impact on the Annies, as is his way. While Tony instantly choked down his emotions in favor of behaving “responsibly” toward both girls, regardless of how cold that made him seem to others, as is his way. It also suggests that Tony’s warmth toward Forest Annie might have been deliberate overcompensation--especially following up from Renard’s comment that “you have two daughters now.” Interesting that he suspected Fannie instead of Courtnie. I'd have figured that the one who had been there the whole time was more likely to be the fake, but I guess he was very sure that Courtnie was real at that time. And to be fair he was right. I think it was an emotional reaction more than logical thought. He walked in and his guts told him"fake Surma" instead of "Antimony" because of his own trauma. It had nothing to do with what was likely or not. Agreed. A few pages later, Tony was already defending Forest Annie against Eglamore based on the “evidence.” Intellectually he’d accepted that there was a good chance she was real; his heart just hadn’t stopped screaming “WTF IS THIS CHANGELING CRAP” yet. But seriously - everyone who knew and loved Surma needs therapy. This monkey's paw immortality butts up against the trauma of impotent (in Anthony, Renard, and James's cases) loss. Eggggzactly. And Tony has more trauma in this particular area than any of Surma’s other lovers, because he was closer to her, and because he dedicated his life to proving that Annie and Surma could exist as separate people and he failed. I actually think post-Fire Spike Renard has done well with this. He has, but only because Fire Spike happened first. Tony could never be that vicious. As Jones has pointed out more than once, Eglamore is absolutely terrible at hiding his issues. He’s especially bad at hiding them from Annie, which is why she’s always so guarded around him. He’s the only one of Surma’s old acquaintances that she’s never really reconciled with, because he’s radiating “I #@$%ed you once! I mean...I #@$%ed your mother! I mean...I don’t know!” energy all over the place. Tony, on the other hand, is a wizard at hiding his issues. No one except Don (and now Jones) even knows he has them! Instead they think that he’s distant and uncaring, but such is the price of being Bruce Wayne. (Or Scott Summers.) Man, he did not even use the opportunity to leave her with the Shadow Men, and that act itself would not neccesitate displaying any emotion. No, but it would have been devastating for Forest Annie. Imagine her coming back from Loup’s threats on her life and sanity, and not only seeing her father with a replacement daughter, but then having him leave with the impostor while she’s imprisoned for government testing! Tony--like Annie--almost always prioritizes his perceived duties over his own well-being, emotional or physical. That frustrates the people who love him and think he has a duty to his own well-being, but...well, see above. Fannie needed a dad, so Bat-Dad did the job. So, Tony, when you decided to have children.. Did no one explain to you how genetics and etheric genetics work? Were you unaware that it would be highly likely that your child would look like Surma? Does anyone know how etheric genetics work? Certainly the humans wouldn’t...except maybe Surma herself. We’ve already seen how much crucial information she withheld from Annie, so she probably kept Tony in the dark as well. But yes, I’m sure Tony knew that Antimony would look like her mom to a normal degree. He just wasn’t prepared for her to be a near-perfect clone of Surma, let alone be Surma on an etheric level. |
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Post by 0o0f on Apr 21, 2021 19:21:54 GMT
I mean, it's not impossible that there's something etheric going on with Tony, as this is gunnerkrigg court. But I don't think there has to be. I also have a fair bit of social anxiety, and probably some autism, and it really hasn't gotten better as I've gotten older... It's funny because I don't always feel anxious, but when there's a situation I don't know how to deal with, I easily freeze up.
Anyway, I wonder if the fact that he's being so open with Jones means he's getting better at opening up, or if it's just Jones. Since she's a "neutral observer" she might be easier to talk to than other people.
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Post by ohthatone on Apr 21, 2021 19:42:34 GMT
I also have a hard time believing tony got surma pregnant without her ok. I'm currently of the belief surmas pregnancy was an accident. That feels like it matches what we know of their personalities and relationship rather than acting out of hubris she could be "cured". seems to contradict that: Seems pretty clear that the pregnancy was planned because Tony was sure he could keep Surma from dying Sure, you may be right, but that could also be about keeping an unplanned pregnancy. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Apr 21, 2021 19:43:24 GMT
I'm pretty sure that where that link goes isn't where it was supposed to go. Ah, thanks, but not worth fixing for a joke in poor taste |
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Post by drmemory on Apr 21, 2021 20:28:11 GMT
So, Tony, when you decided to have children.. Did no one explain to you how genetics and etheric genetics work? Were you unaware that it would be highly likely that your child would look like Surma? He really thought he could save Surma from her fate. So he wasn't expecting to be left with only a daughter, but rather a family, and probably wasn't worried about his daughter resembling his wife at all. |
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Post by drmemory on Apr 21, 2021 20:50:40 GMT
Still waters run deep. I'm a bit worried about the Tony situation - we knew he had trouble expressing himself, but I don't think we ever were made aware that he was feeling such strong, negative emotions internally. If his mind is caged (well his emotions), what happens if they are unleashed? Dramatic explosion of violence? He hasn't really had any experience with dealing with such things, other than by suppressing them entirely, and is most likely rather short on normal coping mechanisms. Maybe it isn't entirely a bad thing that his emotions are locked away.
I'm not being critical of Tony here - I've been claiming he's being the best father he can manage and still think that. I'm just worried about what's going on in his head. I don't think we've really been given a clear picture of that until now. Well there was this but it didn't really sink in for me - this is a really passionate man with strong feelings, and the determination to do things like the hand antenna, whose emotions have been imprisoned for many years.
Pressure cooker anyone?
What was that war Coyote saw in his mind, anyway? There is clearly a lot going on in there that doesn't normally show on the outside!
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Post by maxptc on Apr 21, 2021 21:09:43 GMT
Of course he thought Fannie was fake. It makes sense now. The reason he was comfortable around her is because he didn't believe she was his daughter aka Surma, so no extra awkward just base Tony awkward.
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 21, 2021 21:24:16 GMT
what I mean is one shouldn't be angry that one's child looks like one's dead wife. Why??? Maybe he is angry that they look so much alike, maybe he is angry that he cannot stop seeing Surma when he looks at Annie. Maybe he thinks the same what you said here, and the fact that he can't help still being angry makes him even angrier. I regularly experience similar feelings. Anger about a thing, and ANGER about being angry, because "one shouldn't be angry about this"...
I'm not sure where you are seeing this on the current page.
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