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Post by Lightice on Apr 13, 2015 8:12:39 GMT
(In this episode of Gunnerkrigg Court, the part of Katerina will be played by the Proboards Community) If you hadn't posted that, I would've.  We're not sure whether Annie's trying to say her father didn't make her change her hair + outfit, or if she's trying to say he didn't humiliate her in the sixth panel. And in the second she seems to be trying to say he's not mean to her. Annie's mask is pretty strongly up until the last panel. I'm fairly sure it's the latter. She's defending Anthony and his actions, just like she has in the past. I really wish that we could see what the deal with him is, get us readers to see him without that stoic mask so that we could tell if he's just a clueless jerk or deliberately abusive, already... |
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Post by youwiththeface on Apr 13, 2015 8:25:05 GMT
Sorry, Annie, I couldn't hear your defense of your father over the sound of your prison dress. It is a very loud dress. |
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Post by AnUpliftedCuttlefish on Apr 13, 2015 8:33:29 GMT
Ah, questions and answers. Wait... I mean - nooooooooooo! Questions and no answers!
But that is true - it is her thing. And she isn't in her father's class anymore. In fact - wont be again for this year. Annie could have reapplied it by now. I guess that she hasn't could mean a lot of things, a few of them quite sad.
"Kat, he's not mean. Kat, he didn't humiliate me*". Annie... *sad face*
*I guess she could be intending to finish that one with "Kat, he didn't try to humiliate me". But she's being so calm - not angry, not sad, not happy - that I doubt it.
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Post by khazgar on Apr 13, 2015 8:39:14 GMT
You're right about chapter 15 - but in that chapter Annie looked pretty happy AND was wearing make-up.
We still don't know yet whose decision it was to cut Annie's hair, but I can't imagine that it was what she really wanted for herself - she has always gloried in her hair and has shown no inclination whatsoever to cut it.
She has defended her father in front of Kat before - Kat complains somewhere that her father never contacts Annie and Annie says something like "maybe I displeased him in some way". I think that, if it was Annie's decision to cut her hair, she did it to please him.
There is however one silver lining on the very dark cloud - if Annie does repeat year 9 we have an extra school year's worth of comic to look forward to in the future!
Keep up with the superb storytelling Tom, I'm totally baffled about where this one is going - my feelings about this chapter remind me of a quote from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy when Ford Prefect introduced Arthur to Zaphod and realises that they already know each other - goes something like this "Ford felt as if he had been cruising along the motorway and suddenly changed from third into first by mistake and his engine leapt out of its bonnet".
Please correct me if anyone has the book to hand...
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Post by quark on Apr 13, 2015 8:44:05 GMT
We still don't know yet whose decision it was to cut Annie's hair, but I can't imagine that it was what she really wanted for herself - she has always gloried in her hair and has shown no inclination whatsoever to cut it. She has defended her father in front of Kat before - Kat complains somewhere that her father never contacts Annie and Annie says something like "maybe I displeased him in some way". I think that, if it was Annie's decision to cut her hair, she did it to please him. That's what I was thinking too. She might say it was her decision, but it was probably 'helped' by a comment from her father, something like 'couldn't you make the time to go to the hairdresser? Your hair looks awful.' And she's still defending the jerk. As usual. I hope that stops, like, soon, with the help of her friends. |
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Post by polioman on Apr 13, 2015 8:44:30 GMT
You mean the way the Court and Forest drifted apart? I think he's more referring to how Annie and Kat's friendship is beginning to splinter over Paz. See: the latter half of chapter 45, and as the guy you're responding to, the end of the very last chapter. |
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Post by AnUpliftedCuttlefish on Apr 13, 2015 8:53:59 GMT
I can cut her some slack for it. This is probably about as much (if not more) of an emotional beat down for Kat as for us. I can see why she reacts like that. Annie obviously liked her long hair. While in the forest, she let it grow nearly to the ground. You don't cut your hair just like that after years of growing it. OK. Guys. I am mostly joking. Yes, people tend to comment on physical changes. It's the "you're supposed to be THIS way" that got me smiling. I remember going through that age and being the person that heard that. So chill. It's not like I now think less of Kat because she's acting like a teen/human. It made me smile as well. But I'm also the kind of person that, in times of sadness, always turns to gallows humor or laughs at the smallest absurd/silly thing , so I wasn't sure if I'd be the only one. |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Apr 13, 2015 9:11:26 GMT
That stare in the center panel. Please don't snap soon.
The way Kat's mind has been utterly blown on this page is hilarious but I feel like an ass for laughing at her. The wettest face!
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 13, 2015 9:32:15 GMT
Late realization, but does anyone think Anthony's one-handedness has something to do with the tooth? Did Zimmy somehow transfer the curse to Tony?
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Post by csj on Apr 13, 2015 9:34:22 GMT
This remind me of an early page where Kat cried on Annie's behalf and Annie remained relatively stoic. Remember when Annie was a good student? Man, that was a long time ago.  |
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Post by Vilthuril on Apr 13, 2015 10:25:31 GMT
...goes something like this "Ford felt as if he had been cruising along the motorway and suddenly changed from third into first by mistake and his engine leapt out of its bonnet". I don't think I caught until you wrote it again here just now, that in this metaphor Ford himself is the car... I mean, I knew he was named after a car ("Ooooobviously," says Snape) but this particular line escaped me. Vroom, Vroom, Duh.  Anyhoo, I suspect we all know that feeling! |
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Post by todd on Apr 13, 2015 12:43:39 GMT
There is however one silver lining on the very dark cloud - if Annie does repeat year 9 we have an extra school year's worth of comic to look forward to in the future! From a storytelling point of view, repeating a year has one disadvantage; Tom now has to create a new set of classmates with names, characterizations, etc. and make certain that they're distinctly different from Annie's original set of classmates. Unless he decides to take the economic route and has Anthony place Annie in a special, solitary "Year 9" set of classes with no other children in the room with her, as part of the "avoiding distractions" plan. Though, given the burned-out, passive mood Annie's in now, switching the point-of-view mainly to Kat (who's not being held back, and who still has the spark) might be the best option anyway. |
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Post by pendell on Apr 13, 2015 12:52:49 GMT
Well, it's Monday, and that means it's time for another update where Tom crushes Annie's hopes and dreams just that bit harder. C'mon, if you dig for it, there MIGHT be a scrap of her old self-confidence left.
I recognize the pattern. Not only is he abusive, Annie can't admit, even to herself , that he's abusive. She's making excuses for him, as she's been taught to do, to see him as "loving". So her father's own twisted sense of "love" is being passed onto her.
"Love", in the hands of sick people, becomes so twisted it is almost unrecognizable.
Respectfully,
Brian P.
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Post by kelantar on Apr 13, 2015 13:07:01 GMT
I can't wait to hear Kat's opinion on the Reynardine and "no more forest" stipulations.... At this point I hope Kat just straight up steals Rey, which might, from what I understand, break Annie's ownership of him and free him. Of course, I'd rather that Annie freed him herself, but the way she's acting, that's not likely. I've also been thinking. I don't think Annie's " Okay" to Anthony was enough to transfer ownership, otherwise I feel like he'd already technically be free after she said she'd let him leave. EDIT: Also, I hope Kat shoves Annie's makeup at her and makes her put it on. If she's not gonna be in Anthony's class, she can wear it as much as she wants, right? |
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Post by sabriel on Apr 13, 2015 13:12:36 GMT
Man, seeing this page makes me realize that Renard is going to have a LOT to say about this. Maybe he'll out of it? Being the Papa Wolf that he is... But we all remember what happened last time he brought up her father. |
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Post by waldojeffers on Apr 13, 2015 13:26:30 GMT
There is however one silver lining on the very dark cloud - if Annie does repeat year 9 we have an extra school year's worth of comic to look forward to in the future! From a storytelling point of view, repeating a year has one disadvantage; Tom now has to create a new set of classmates with names, characterizations, etc. and make certain that they're distinctly different from Annie's original set of classmates. Unless he decides to take the economic route and has Anthony place Annie in a special, solitary "Year 9" set of classes with no other children in the room with her, as part of the "avoiding distractions" plan. Though, given the burned-out, passive mood Annie's in now, switching the point-of-view mainly to Kat (who's not being held back, and who still has the spark) might be the best option anyway.This would be such a game changer. Although this meek, submissive Annie is hard to watch I (selfishly) don't want the focus to shift away from her (at least not for too long). I want to know what's up with Anthony and discover his deeper (darker) motivations. Though it would be really interesting to see how Kat deals with this situation without Annie's support and to see who she'll be willing to contact for help without Annie's permission. I'll never forget Kat turning her anti-grav science project into a hovercraft to get Annie out of the Annan waters. Will she still do anything to get her friend out of a hole? I HOPE SO because I don't like seeing all Annie's hard-won character and independence washed away. |
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Post by todd on Apr 13, 2015 13:43:18 GMT
This would be such a game changer. Although this meek, submissive Annie is hard to watch I (selfishly) don't want the focus to shift away from her (at least not for too long). I want to know what's up with Anthony and discover his deeper (darker) motivations. Though it would be really interesting to see how Kat deals with this situation without Annie's support and to see who she'll be willing to contact for help without Annie's permission. I'll never forget Kat turning her anti-grav science project into a hovercraft to get Annie out of the Annan waters. Will she still do anything to get her friend out of a hole? I HOPE SO because I don't like seeing all Annie's hard-won character and independence washed away. I certainly think that, as long as Annie remains in this condition, Kat will HAVE to take the lead. Between the changes in her state, both from without (Anthony's strictures) and within (her "extinguished" condition), Annie's unable to act like a protagonist. (I'd noticed that, even before this chapter, the story did seem to be shifting more towards Kat as the lead at times anyway - with such threads as the robot project and Kat's relationship with Paz almost pushing Annie's actions to one side. Maybe this is one more step - a big one, obviously - in that direction.) Perhaps the only thing needed to complete this process (though I doubt Tom will do it) will be for Anthony to decide that the Court itself is an unfit place for his daughter to go to school, and decide to transfer her to another, far more oordinary school with no mysterious goings-on (the only etheric thing that ever happens there is Ketrak showing up when the custodian sprays for bugs) - acting on the assumption that the reason why Annie was cheating was because her investigating all the weird events at the Court was keeping her from devoting enough time to her studying. (And if Annie's indeed transfered ownership of Reynardine to her father - that "okay" is ambivalent enough that we don't know for certain - it'll now be feasible. The Court would have been cautious about expelling Annie before, no matter how much trouble she'd caused it, because if she takes Reynardine with her, they won't be able to keep an eye on him, and if she leaves him behind, that might break her ownership and free him. But if Anthony owns Reynardine now and can control him, he can turn Rey over to the Court, and that obstacle's cleared away.) But as I said, I don't think Tom will go *that* far. |
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Post by pxc on Apr 13, 2015 13:47:03 GMT
Highly doubt the story will move away from Annie significantly. Tom has said that he views both her and Kat as the two main characters. So focusing on her isn't some massive change. But no, it's not conceivable that Annie will just be removed from prominence. Given all the knots left untied removing her or significantly lessening her role would destroy the comic. Tom's not going to do that.
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Post by ginbucketfish on Apr 13, 2015 13:51:43 GMT
From a storytelling point of view, repeating a year has one disadvantage; Tom now has to create a new set of classmates with names, characterizations, etc. and make certain that they're distinctly different from Annie's original set of classmates. Unless he decides to take the economic route and has Anthony place Annie in a special, solitary "Year 9" set of classes with no other children in the room with her, as part of the "avoiding distractions" plan. Though, given the burned-out, passive mood Annie's in now, switching the point-of-view mainly to Kat (who's not being held back, and who still has the spark) might be the best option anyway.This would be such a game changer. Although this meek, submissive Annie is hard to watch I (selfishly) don't want the focus to shift away from her (at least not for too long). I want to know what's up with Anthony and discover his deeper (darker) motivations. Though it would be really interesting to see how Kat deals with this situation without Annie's support and to see who she'll be willing to contact for help without Annie's permission. I'll never forget Kat turning her anti-grav science project into a hovercraft to get Annie out of the Annan waters. Will she still do anything to get her friend out of a hole? I HOPE SO because I don't like seeing all Annie's hard-won character and independence washed away. I agree, I think we'll go Kat-centric for a little while, at least until Annie gets her footing. I'm very interested in what Kat will do next! I was afraid that Annie might go off on Kat for bad-mouthing her dad there for a second. Of course I suppose there is still time for that  Though I sincerely hope that doesn't happen! |
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Post by rama on Apr 13, 2015 13:52:55 GMT
Late realization, but does anyone think Anthony's one-handedness has something to do with the tooth? Did Zimmy somehow transfer the curse to Tony? Remember when they sent him medical equipment? Including a scalpel? That was a bit before Zimmy etherpunched him in the face. I find it much more likely that the scar on his face is from Zimmy, and that he got into trouble before that and had to amputate his own arm. We don't really know what his research entails, but trying to stop Antimony from dying the same way Surma did probably includes some pretty dangerous field work. He might have gotten it crushed by accident or stuck somewhere with no way out but cutting it off, or maybe he traded it for etherical knowledge that he needed. I think that the curse Coyote put on Antimony's hand disbanded when she got back from summer, but I could be wrong. Also, here's a terrifying thought: Antimony knows Anthony and how he communicates better than most people. What if she is actually telling the truth, and this is Anthony being nice. Now that is scary. |
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Post by noone3 on Apr 13, 2015 13:57:58 GMT
what he's doing is wrong. Or is it? <Advocatus Diaboli On> So far she was doing whatever she wanted. Now she suddenly have a real role model. We'll see what kind of dad, if any, he will prove himself, but so far we can see him: 1. Making Annie take responsibility for her previous actions - important step towards becoming adult. 2. Suggesting her disposing without her makeup, which I must admit (since I'm getting into a daddy age myself) wasn't really suiting girl her age 3. Making sure noone would consider Annie to be favorised in class, by the teacher. Actually it's a common problem of children taught by their parents in school - in some cases they have to work harder, since parent automatically takes them upon harsher judgement. Happens as frequent as unjust favorisation. And we don't know yet if haircut wasn't her idea. <Advocatus Diaboli Off> Anyway Cat, if you want to remain the short haired one, you know what to do...  |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Apr 13, 2015 14:16:35 GMT
"Your hair! It goes down!" Red and Red's friend don't seem so crazy anymore.  |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Apr 13, 2015 14:23:47 GMT
He might have gotten it crushed by accident or stuck somewhere with no way out but cutting it off, or maybe he traded it for etherical knowledge that he needed. I think that the curse Coyote put on Antimony's hand disbanded when she got back from summer, but I could be wrong. Take a close look at page 1041 again. Those bones are an etheric projection of his hand. That is him doing an etheric surgery on Antimony. The likely explanation here is that he loses his hand as result of Zimmy interrupting this procedure. Either the hand gets severed when the link is severed (becuase it's still "inside" her), or that fire spirit that he is (probably) trying to cut out ends up burning it, or there is some similar mishap. |
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Post by TBeholder on Apr 13, 2015 14:26:17 GMT
Kat: "You've changed and I don't like it!" (Problems with Tony is reasonable, the "you're supposed to have long hair" make me smile.) Well, yeah. She lost ability to speak coherently. Which may add new paint on the old photo time, too. Tony drones mysteriously, everyone around goes "Oh noo!" and "What?" and "I don't even!" |
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Post by guitarminotaur on Apr 13, 2015 14:44:39 GMT
I don't think there's much to comment on here. We'll have to wait for Annie to finish her sentence on Wednesday.
...I hate it when I can't finish a sentence for two days. Really freaks people out when I finally find the words.
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Post by freeman on Apr 13, 2015 14:53:11 GMT
You're not supposed to have short hair! You're supposed to have long hair! The awful truth? Kat had been giving at least some fancy for Annie too despite regarding her primarily as a friend. Now this fancy is scattered. |
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Post by goldenknots on Apr 13, 2015 15:13:10 GMT
I think perhaps we're seeing effects of years of conditioning that she'd broken out of over the duration of her stay at the court. I'm guessing that Anthony has not changed in the slightest, that he imposed iron control over her from infancy, and that she has suffered a reversion to that state. Something needs to snap her out of it.
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Post by Señor Goose on Apr 13, 2015 15:32:01 GMT
Tom I don't like this please make things go back
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Post by csj on Apr 13, 2015 15:33:34 GMT
This remind me of an early page where Kat cried on Annie's behalf and Annie remained relatively stoic. Remember when Annie was a good student? Man, that was a long time ago. subnote: looking back in the archives made me notice the footprints on gunnerkrigg.com/?p=23if only they were jones' footprints; that would be mind-blowing |
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Post by pxc on Apr 13, 2015 15:42:32 GMT
Remember when Annie was a good student? Man, that was a long time ago. subnote: looking back in the archives made me notice the footprints on gunnerkrigg.com/?p=23if only they were jones' footprints; that would be mind-blowing Good chance that's exactly what they were, given the references to that in The Stone. |
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Though I sincerely hope that doesn't happen! 
