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Post by atteSmythe on Apr 7, 2015 3:17:07 GMT
I sort of expect that Antimony's act of defiance will be to free Reynard outright, but that the rest of the punishments will stand. Rey could escape to the Forest, reclaim his old body, and become the new Forest Medium.
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It's odd, and exciting, that the beginning of this book doesn't match my recollection of the other books. Did any open with such a clear conflict by the third chapter?
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Post by sapientcoffee on Apr 7, 2015 3:34:08 GMT
What you might learn, if you read those old threads, is that before the likes of you came here, this used to be a place where we could actually discuss possible under currents and future events of the story without somebody yelling angrily about his "obvious" truths without even giving a good read to the post he is yelling at. If this was ever true, it's true only when there aren't highly emotional things happening in the comic. Also, as far as lynch mobs...I think (currently) that Tony's an awful father and that Annie should be taken out of his care; I don't think he should be tarred and feathered. But you know what? That's a middle-of-the-road, easy-to-agree-with opinion. I'm not going to repost it every single thread and I find no jollies in arguing/debating, on a forum, for a comic. I'd guess there's quite a few people like this and that your lynch mob is a minority opinion. |
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Post by guitarminotaur on Apr 7, 2015 4:06:54 GMT
I found I had to click away from that page after only a skim reading.
There's nothing good here (the story's fine, but emotionally there's nothing but pain). Anthony took a critical flaw in Annie's personality, opened that weakness into a breach and then stripped her down to her core within a minute. Its as if he struck her.
If Reynard truly is gone from her control then Annie's now officially back to chapter 2. Everything she's gained in the past three years gone within a Biology class.
If it weren't for Annie's reaction during her first meeting with Red and Blue (AKA the suicide fairies) I'd be wagering on a suicide attempt by the end of the chapter. As it is, I'll quote this line as actual content.
"Be a sadist. No matter how sweet and innocent your leading characters, make awful things happen to them—in order that the reader may see what they are made of." ~Kurt Vonnegut.
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Post by zaferion on Apr 7, 2015 4:22:55 GMT
If the "I support Mr. Carver" banners don't disappear, there has clearly been a misunderstanding. Carver is nothing short of the evilest, vilest thing to appear in the comic. I'm going to punch a hole in my wall if he doesn't get his comeuppance very soon.[/i]
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Post by scalesandfins on Apr 7, 2015 4:35:28 GMT
There's nothing good here (the story's fine, but emotionally there's nothing but pain). Anthony took a critical flaw in Annie's personality, opened that weakness into a breach and then stripped her down to her core within a minute. Its as if he struck her. You know, I keep seeing people here arguing over whether knocking Annie out and performing surgery on her counts as physical harm, and a lot of posts saying that Anthony was probably emotionally and verbally abusive at Good Hope but not physically. And then I think back to that memory Annie has of Anthony in Microstat 5, where Annie is holding the hem of Anthony's gi while he bandages her foot after injuring her during a judo lesson. I don't think parents personally teaching their children martial arts is always going to be problematic, but when the relationship is already abusive? When the abusive parent is regularly ordering their child to get into physical fights with them, fights in which the parent is almost guaranteed to always win? Fights in which, like in Annie's memory, the child expects to be physically hurt or injured, without being able to protest or register this as unjust because they're in "training"? I don't think Zimmy's "You got no fight in you" was an accidental phrasing, and neither was Tom's "TKO". Anthony conditioned Annie to submit to him like this because he's taught her, using multiple kinds of violence, that if she fights him, she can't win. To think back fondly on the memory of him patching her up after he's hurt her, to focus on his caretaking and ignore that he's the reason she has an injury in the first place. |
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Post by Chancellor on Apr 7, 2015 6:10:52 GMT
There's nothing good here (the story's fine, but emotionally there's nothing but pain). Anthony took a critical flaw in Annie's personality, opened that weakness into a breach and then stripped her down to her core within a minute. Its as if he struck her. You know, I keep seeing people here arguing over whether knocking Annie out and performing surgery on her counts as physical harm, and a lot of posts saying that Anthony was probably emotionally and verbally abusive at Good Hope but not physically. And then I think back to that memory Annie has of Anthony in Microstat 5, where Annie is holding the hem of Anthony's gi while he bandages her foot after injuring her during a judo lesson. I don't think parents personally teaching their children martial arts is always going to be problematic, but when the relationship is already abusive? When the abusive parent is regularly ordering their child to get into physical fights with them, fights in which the parent is almost guaranteed to always win? Fights in which, like in Annie's memory, the child expects to be physically hurt or injured, without being able to protest or register this as unjust because they're in "training"? I don't think Zimmy's "You got no fight in you" was an accidental phrasing, and neither was Tom's "TKO". Anthony conditioned Annie to submit to him like this because he's taught her, using multiple kinds of violence, that if she fights him, she can't win. To think back fondly on the memory of him patching her up after he's hurt her, to focus on his caretaking and ignore that he's the reason she has an injury in the first place. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't that goddamn evil, because that's a whole field of onions worth of layers of messed up. |
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Post by Kriselia on Apr 7, 2015 6:25:33 GMT
There's nothing good here (the story's fine, but emotionally there's nothing but pain). Anthony took a critical flaw in Annie's personality, opened that weakness into a breach and then stripped her down to her core within a minute. Its as if he struck her. You know, I keep seeing people here arguing over whether knocking Annie out and performing surgery on her counts as physical harm, and a lot of posts saying that Anthony was probably emotionally and verbally abusive at Good Hope but not physically. And then I think back to that memory Annie has of Anthony in Microstat 5, where Annie is holding the hem of Anthony's gi while he bandages her foot after injuring her during a judo lesson. I don't think parents personally teaching their children martial arts is always going to be problematic, but when the relationship is already abusive? When the abusive parent is regularly ordering their child to get into physical fights with them, fights in which the parent is almost guaranteed to always win? Fights in which, like in Annie's memory, the child expects to be physically hurt or injured, without being able to protest or register this as unjust because they're in "training"? I don't think Zimmy's "You got no fight in you" was an accidental phrasing, and neither was Tom's "TKO". Anthony conditioned Annie to submit to him like this because he's taught her, using multiple kinds of violence, that if she fights him, she can't win. To think back fondly on the memory of him patching her up after he's hurt her, to focus on his caretaking and ignore that he's the reason she has an injury in the first place. Oh... Oh geeze you made it even sadder. I hadn't even thought about how the dynamic of the judo lessons might change in an already abusive pattern. I mean it was already strange that that seemed to possibly be the fondest memory she has of him but this way it's even sadder. But let's say he wasn't a completely evil asshole thinking "I wanna beat up my kid." and didn't have any deliberately abusive motive behind the lessons, just regular martial arts training incase she would need it, it might still end up with her internalizing the same patterns of thinking. Even without abusive intent from him she might subconciously add it to their pre-existing dynamic of how she's supposed to relate to him. Also, martial arts training isn't the sort of essential life skills children need to be taught, so would her parents have made her practice it even if she didn't want to? (Admittedly this is something we'll probably never get an answer to in the comic) |
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Post by Refugee on Apr 7, 2015 6:47:22 GMT
I'm rather hoping that as soon as she starts thinking again she'll break the spell and start acting in her own interest. Jones, Reynardine, and Eglamore have all, in their way, tried to warn Annie that she was going off track, and that the Court was not happy. She's even promised one or two of them to straighten up. Only her Father seems to be really getting to her. Zimmy? She's likely the one who broke his nose, cut his lip, and slashed his cheek with a sucker punch. I'm sure she could get Annie's attention, but I'm not at all sure she'd do it in a productive way. I really want to see Annie work through this on her own. I have faith in her. |
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Post by scalesandfins on Apr 7, 2015 6:49:47 GMT
You know, I keep seeing people here arguing over whether knocking Annie out and performing surgery on her counts as physical harm, and a lot of posts saying that Anthony was probably emotionally and verbally abusive at Good Hope but not physically. And then I think back to that memory Annie has of Anthony in Microstat 5, where Annie is holding the hem of Anthony's gi while he bandages her foot after injuring her during a judo lesson. I don't think parents personally teaching their children martial arts is always going to be problematic, but when the relationship is already abusive? When the abusive parent is regularly ordering their child to get into physical fights with them, fights in which the parent is almost guaranteed to always win? Fights in which, like in Annie's memory, the child expects to be physically hurt or injured, without being able to protest or register this as unjust because they're in "training"? I don't think Zimmy's "You got no fight in you" was an accidental phrasing, and neither was Tom's "TKO". Anthony conditioned Annie to submit to him like this because he's taught her, using multiple kinds of violence, that if she fights him, she can't win. To think back fondly on the memory of him patching her up after he's hurt her, to focus on his caretaking and ignore that he's the reason she has an injury in the first place. Oh... Oh geeze you made it even sadder. I hadn't even thought about how the dynamic of the judo lessons might change in an already abusive pattern. I mean it was already strange that that seemed to possibly be the fondest memory she has of him but this way it's even sadder. But let's say he wasn't a completely evil asshole thinking "I wanna beat up my kid." and didn't have any deliberately abusive motive behind the lessons, just regular martial arts training incase she would need it, it might still end up with her internalizing the same patterns of thinking. Even without abusive intent from him she might subconciously add it to their pre-existing dynamic of how she's supposed to relate to him. Also, martial arts training isn't the sort of essential life skills children need to be taught, so would her parents have made her practice it even if she didn't want to? (Admittedly this is something we'll probably never get an answer to in the comic) Sorry, on mobile, but yeah, I think you are on the ball with it playing subconsciously into their relationship. I don't think there was necessarily a conscious, malicious, Machiavellian intent of using lessons as an excuse to beat her up. This kind of situation is more part of a general pattern of the parent feeling the need for extreme control over their kids and feeling entitled to their bodies, andcrationalizing that they're teaching them a valuable lesson, that this is the only way to learn, discipline is important, whatever. But again if the relationship is already abusive, the physical teaching relationship is colored by that abuse, and ends up as an escalation of it, and it doesn't have to be 100% calculated for the abuser to enjoy or feel righteous about the psychological and physical dominance this kind of violence gives them. So the lines between training and beating do blur quite a bit. I don't know about Annie, but the people I know who had this kind of thing going on as kids- mostly military and/or multigenerational martial arts families- very much did not get to opt out. |
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Post by krael on Apr 7, 2015 7:00:17 GMT
Next is her blinker stone, then he will cut her hair short. Then there will be a 5-year timeskip where she only studies in isolation (?) Yes, And she'll have to paint her hair black of course And then her father from another universe will come to save her (And Jones turns out to have a quantum brother, Jonas!)  Parallel-Anthony saving his daughter from captivity |
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Post by amantis on Apr 7, 2015 7:01:34 GMT
At what point does a child realize, hey, wait...I don't have to listen to you. I am an autonomous person with my own mind and sovereignty. I mean I kinda learned this around age 13. "You're grounded." "Bitch, no I'm not."
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Post by matoyak on Apr 7, 2015 7:28:33 GMT
Also, martial arts training isn't the sort of essential life skills children need to be taught I very much disagree. Self defense is absolutely something everyone should know, and proper martial arts training is one of the best ways to simultaneously impart the safest mindset on how and when to use the power that comes alongside that kind of ability to potentially cause harm, and the best way to help prevent panic during any situation that would require self defense. |
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Post by The Anarch on Apr 7, 2015 7:29:09 GMT
What you might learn, if you read those old threads, is that before the likes of you came here, this used to be a place where we could actually discuss possible under currents and future events of the story without somebody yelling angrily about his "obvious" truths without even giving a good read to the post he is yelling at. If this was ever true, it's true only when there aren't highly emotional things happening in the comic. Also, as far as lynch mobs...I think (currently) that Tony's an awful father and that Annie should be taken out of his care; I don't think he should be tarred and feathered. But you know what? That's a middle-of-the-road, easy-to-agree-with opinion. I'm not going to repost it every single thread and I find no jollies in arguing/debating, on a forum, for a comic. I'd guess there's quite a few people like this and that your lynch mob is a minority opinion. Starting off by stating again that I don't actually want to get embroiled in the overall discussion, but I will say that my personal opinion is that while Anthony is definitely presenting himself here - and more so in the context of the glimpses we've seen of him before - as a bad parent and a bad teacher, I don't think these things because he's being mean to our special li'l fire head girl, but on the way he is actively treating her and the situation, as well as my own personal experiences with an emotionally distant and controlling father. I, however, also do not clamor for his blood, nor do I think him to be totally evil or without a chance of redemption, nor do I believe Annie to be completely free from blame. I don't know if the folks holding a moderate opinion really are in the majority or not, but I do know that I'm one of 'em myself. Both Annie and Anthony have blame enough for how the situation has spiraled. Perhaps one side more than the other, but whatever. I think the best solution for the comic would be for Annie to stand up for herself while at the same time owning the things she has done wrong and repenting for them, for Anthony to learn how to be strict on her failings but also emotionally available at the same time and recognizing that the path he is carving out for his daughter may not be the proper one, and for both of them to start an actual open dialogue with each other about what's going on and what they should do together to rectify the situation. Not that this is likely to happen, of course, but still. In a number of cases I've been perfectly willing and/or happy to get into a spirited debate about things. I've chosen to actively stay out of this particular debate however for a couple of reasons, one being that I am somewhat uncomfortable with the subject matter given my aforementioned personal experiences, and the other being that in general I have found much of the bickering back and forth in these last several threads to be quite silly on both sides. Aside from the fact that by this point in the conversation I would undoubtedly be sick of repeating certain things over and over again and thus ready to drop the whole thing anyway, I would routinely be finding myself despairing even more about certain things those ostensibly on my "side" have been saying than I have been already, especially as I get the feeling my opinion would get lumped in entirely with theirs regardless. I think one of the most annoying parts of this whole thing is how both sides have been so quick to try and point out the strawmen being held by the other camp while apparently being oblivious to the ones they themselves are so fervently holding onto. Honestly, I've been considering avoiding these particular threads until the chapter is over, but haven't done so yet because there is still the occasional post I've enjoyed popping up in between all the arguing. I've already said more than once that folks should be allowed to vent or whatever about the story and characters all they want as they want, but I'm starting to hit my personal limit to being able to stick around for it if it's going to continue like this. Now, all that said, have some kitties. |
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Post by Refugee on Apr 7, 2015 7:44:16 GMT
At what point does a child realize, hey, wait...I don't have to listen to you. I am an autonomous person with my own mind and sovereignty. Not, I think, when you've just been caught out in a long standing tendency to cheat by involving your friend. That kind of inherently means that you haven't matured enough to earn your liberty yet. And I think Annie understands that. She knows her Father is right to do what he's doing. === I've been going through "Firespike" again, in which Renard rightly calls out Annie on her cheating. They wound each other so badly she runs off into the forest. Ysengrin comes to carry her to Coyote, and tells her she is there because she is weak, and he has "little patience for weakness". And somehow, just at this moment, I felt that was foreshadowing. That's why her Father is there, too--because she was weak, and he has no patience for it. === And when she comes back, Kat's upset with her, and tells her that sometimes, she makes it hard to be her friend. |
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Post by fish on Apr 7, 2015 7:49:26 GMT
I really really hope Annie's "Okay" at the end wasn't some sort of binding ownership tranfer already!  Alright, theory time! (Because one of these days this blind hen will finally find a grain of corn...) Theory 1: With Kat's help Anthony will be confronted by other adult figures in Annies life (the Donlans, Eglamore, Jones) and together they will find a compromise, a solution wich will include Annie catching up on her studies (maybe truly repeating a year) but which will lessen the extent of isolation her father seems to be imposing on her. Everyone is happy in the end! (Hahaha, even typing this out seems ridiculous, this is not a very likely theory.) Theory 2: At first Annie will comply, maybe even move out and start her studies with whatever method Anthony designs for her. But soon she will realize that her father, whom she loves and respects, has effectively taken away all the love in her life, like this here  and this  and even this, to some extent  And that will mark the beginning of the real rebellious phase of this young fire elemental. Flaming patricide is optional. |
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Post by madragoran on Apr 7, 2015 7:53:50 GMT
God I have been reading this for a long time but had to join for this chapter, its really hitting close to home. Before this I didn't understand why Annie apparently loved him so much. But now I understand perfectly, every single one of her reactions, even if mine was more on the rage than stoic side, he is my father. Mine also spent a good amount of my childhood away and when he was there he controlled everything, but even like that every little attention and time feels like a treat that is why she was so giddy when he asked her to stay behind. I suppose is hard to understand how such behavior doesn't register as abuse, but it doesn't, at least it didn't for me for years, it was just the way it was and I was grateful for it, control means he cares, he is just doing things for your own good. And no, for those asking for a fiery explosion, you just don't say "no". My father was also a scientific and I was artfully inclined, so a lot of disappointment. When I was 10 I had to get "don't even think you are going to study to be a writer, its not happening" chat, and I just nodded my head It took me years to even think of standing up for myself, and even now I am 27 and just a hint of a frown or a thoughtful face is more than enough to send shivers down my spine. And yes even to this day I follow orders to the T most of the time. I suppose in web-comic world it will be easier to cut those strings, or harder I just wanted to put this out there, I don't know if Tom himself had some similar experiences, but this is masterfully done, how he acts, how she loves him unconditionally, it all makes the perfect sense to me, I would had acted the same in her shoes, up to that strange sense of weightlessness and leaving the planet called dissociation. This. So much this. also lots of love and hugs and good fluffy things dude (no-gender specific dude that is) |
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Post by madragoran on Apr 7, 2015 7:57:15 GMT
And no, for those asking for a fiery explosion, you just don't say "no". My father was also a scientific and I was artfully inclined, so a lot of disappointment. When I was 10 I had to get "don't even think you are going to study to be a writer, its not happening" chat, and I just nodded my head It took me years to even think of standing up for myself, and even now I am 27 and just a hint of a frown or a thoughtful face is more than enough to send shivers down my spine. And yes even to this day I follow orders to the T most of the time. Sweetheart, I'm 48. My father was an engineer and I was also the artsy type. He was totally behind me going to school to be a musician. It fit with his idea of me being ladylike and cultured and decorative. I had piano lessons as soon as I was tall enough to reach the keys and literate enough to understand the note names and read a staff. My curse was that I was gifted at it. Now you're thinking, why was that a curse? Because I didn't want to be a pianist. I wanted to be an engineer like Daddy; I wanted to solve problems with machinery and make things that lasted and that other people would associate my name with every time they used... if you asked me at the time, I would say I wanted to make stuff. That's creativity, too, and my father was a gifted inventor but denied his creativity. I told my father many times that I wanted to be an engineer. He would respond, "you're too talented to give up your music". Or, he'd say, "your mother and I bought you that grand piano and years of lessons and you want to throw it away now". Or, he'd say, "don't be ridiculous, you're only saying that because you think I go to work for fun". When I was 17 and considering universities, he said the thing that broke my spine. "You're not enough of a b*tch to be an engineer." In other words, he was saying he didn't respect me enough as a person to admit me to the sacred fraternity of People To Take Seriously. He was making light of my intellect and my ability to relate to people. What I should have said was, "Well, goddamn it, you're my father, teach me to be a b*tch." What I actually said, Antimony-like, was, "Oh." And I went on to fail... fail at being a pianist because it wasn't what I wanted to do... fail at work because my heart wasn't in it... fail at relating to people because I was told I wasn't able to stand up for myself. When I was 35, I was a temp. The agency sent me to be the office manager for a small office consisting of an engineer and his sales guy. The engineer had a college-age daughter who was studying to be a doctor in a prestigious university. He told me I had an engineer's mindset and I should think about becoming an engineer. "Oh, no, Mr. Jankiram, but thank you very much for saying so; it really means something that you should say so." After the contract was over, I was next sent to be the assistant for an engineering department of a large corporation. "You really get it. You love this stuff," said the staff engineers. "Thanks, guys, I love working with you," I would say. I became a trainer for engineering software. I travelled around the world. The managers would all say, "You understand this. You love it. Why did you never become an engineer?" I would say, "Well, I am grateful that you think I get along well with you. Do you really think I would have made a good engineer?" My father died. I worked with a therapist who helped me understand that my father's opinions died with him. But his opinions had become my opinions for 30 years and I just didn't know what other opinions to have. I was laid off from my job last year. My husband told me I should take some of my severance pay and go to school to be an engineer. "Oh, I couldn't do that. We need the money and it's not realistic," I said. His response was unprintable and ended with, "You WILL follow your dream or I will lose my respect for you." I did enroll. I had a chat with my academic advisor last month. He said, "Your grades are among the highest I've seen for a first-year. Your essays could have been written by an Industrial-Age philosopher. Why did you not go into engineering when you were in your 20s?" I told him why. He swore like only an Irishman can swear. He said my father was a fool, a jerk, and several of the other nice things we've been saying about Anthony. Every one of his curses fell on my spirit like rain on a wheat field in July. I needed so badly for someone to finally fight in my corner. I'm going to fight in yours now. I'm going to tell you what someone should have told me all those years ago: Your father is wrong. Your father has a worldview colored by his expectations for you that he has not re-evaluated since you were young. Your father's opinions are only that, his opinions. They are hurtful opinions and he is wrong to hold them. You are an adult. I'll say that again; you are an ADULT. You are absolutely entitled to--REQUIRED to--meet him as his equal, and when it comes to your dreams and hopes, his superior. He does not have the right to issue orders anymore. His lack of respect for you must not translate into your lack of respect for yourself. No other adult who cares about you would belittle you or your dreams. I wouldn't even think of doing so. When your father, or another adult upon whom you depend (like your boss, your spiritual leader, or another authority figure), issues you an order, take two seconds to think, "They are not perfect. They could be wrong. They are expressing their opinion based on what they think is right. They have their own reasons for doing so." What is true? (You have the right to evaluate reality for yourself.) What is right? (You have the right to evaluate morality for yourself.) What do I want? (You have the right to decide this for yourself, and the right to change your mind.) What sort of treatment do I deserve? 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Post by keef on Apr 7, 2015 8:42:01 GMT
Personally, I think the make-up is only symbolic. If it had any actual protective powers I'd imagine it would have come up by now. Could be. But she has a reason to wear it other than just liking it. Maybe it is just to make her remember her mother, and even that memory could be some sort of protection. |
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Post by AnUpliftedCuttlefish on Apr 7, 2015 8:54:25 GMT
So, Anthony appears after two years of in-comic time to undo the effects of ten years worth of storytelling? Yeah, I don't think so... next page please! I must admit I've been waiting for each new page as if the one preceding it were a cliff hanger, filled with anticipatory hope and dread. So I second the call for the next page. Ground Control to Major Annie, your circuit's dead, there's something wrong... It is painful to watch, yes. I like Annie, I don't like Anthony. Annie's Father (you'll notice I haven't been calling him her "Dad") is causing her considerable distress. I wish that didn't have to happen. I wish Annie had not been cheating and plagiarizing and in general running around like she owns the place, because if she hadn't, her Father probably wouldn't be isolating her from possible bad influences--i.e., her circle of friends. Which, it didn't (story aside) - there is no reason why Anthony had to go about this as he has. Especially in the case of Rey, who is pretty much completely unconnected to Antimony's cheating, or her former "I think I'm invincible and the rules don't apply to me" attitude. Also - Antimony's "running around like she owns the place" had already improved through learning some tough life lessons, without Anthony's "nuke it from orbit" style of parenting*. What is discipline months after the issue meant to achieve? And I'd say finally - that just shows the poor execution of this on Anthony's part*. If he thinks her friends are possible bad influences he clearly knows nothing about them, (or Antimony, for that matter) and isolating her from them achieves nothing but pain. Doing something like actually speaking to Antimony first would be a much better place to start fixing this.. *If we still assume, really assume, that this is all just about Antimony's school work, and rebellious streak. Why? Well the Donlans seem better parents than Anthony, since they're parents who actually talk to, and listen to, their child (and Antimony) - so hopefully not. I'd argue Donald knows Antimony better than Anthony does these days, and they're far more likely to question Anthony. And Antimony's cheating threatened Kat? No, Anthony did, which seemed more a tactical move, then a genuine one. There's various words for individuals and situations where the innocent are punished indiscriminately - things "unjust". Antimony's cheating only ever threatened Antimony, except when dealing with individuals who'd be indiscriminate in punishment, and/or disinterested in the truth, or who would use it as leverage by threatening the innocent. Not naming names, of course *cough*Anthony*cough* I think it'd go against his character pretty strongly, since he's Antimony's friend, dislikes Anthony at best, and most perhaps most importantly - feels staying with Antimony is part of his penance for his past actions. I'd say "it's almost like you probably shouldn't do things like being suspicious around your child's comatose form"* A parent who goes into an over protective isolationist rage because they got punched in the face after being caught in such circumstances is unbalanced. That, or doesn't understand how people act/think when someone they care about is threatened. Plus - the most effective first step in finding out what's going on with her would have been talking to her.** * Might have been a good time for Anthony to let Donald know. Something like - "Antimony is safe, try and stop the numerous powerful beings everyone knows she associates with from interfering." Instead of, if that's the case, being all - "What's this? One of the numerous powerful beings everyone knows Antimony associates with punched me in the face when they discovered me seemingly presiding over what's put her in a mysterious coma? Clearly my daughter's friends are menaces, and she should be kept away from them." ** If we assume this is still just about cheating, and a bit of a rebellious streak. |
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Post by Per on Apr 7, 2015 10:04:53 GMT
Sorry Antimony, but your body-stealing demon doll must pay for his many crimes against Equestria.
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Post by Vilthuril on Apr 7, 2015 11:55:20 GMT
I see that you have whole a lot against me for my sin of holding fast to the principles of presumption of innocence and only judging people on basis of a consistent ethical theory, even when the accused person is unlikeable, unlike you and the rest of the lynching mob. Erm and hem. I have something against you - and therefore have blocked you except what other people quote from your posts, such as here - not because you are questioning Anthony's guilt; a number of others do that and I still read them. I blocked you because you describe yourself as "shipping" the "war" over this itself, and indeed parts of what you have written support the idea that you're just enjoying the fight and taking it to the enemy on that basis. I accept some conflict - and blowback toward myself or others who take part in it(*) - as something that is sometimes necessary in discussions. But whatever role I have taken in a conflict here for better or worse, I have absolutely no interest in dealing with people who are actually getting off on or encouraging it (and that's my understanding of the word "shipping," though it's usually applied to couples rather than events). (*If you're gonna whack people, zimmyzims mabooki, especially if you're enjoying the whacking, then don't be surprised if you get whacked back... And if you really feel that bothered, well just start blocking people! As sapientcoffee wrote above, it really isn't the only thing going on.) |
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Post by Vilthuril on Apr 7, 2015 12:26:37 GMT
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Post by fish on Apr 7, 2015 12:56:29 GMT
Hmmm, the mood in these threads has turned quite sour... THANKS ANTHONY!  I feel so out of place here right now, guess it's time for a forum break. |
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Post by erichwanh on Apr 7, 2015 13:36:42 GMT
I joined the forum just to vent, because I think Anthony is being a complete dick. But I guess I joined at a bad time?
Anyway, hello.
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Post by sapientcoffee on Apr 7, 2015 13:57:34 GMT
Nah, just a very strange time. Please pardon our mess.  *gasp* Not the Thoroughbred of Sin‽ The Anarch, those are freaking adorable kitties. |
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Post by aline on Apr 7, 2015 14:02:57 GMT
I joined the forum just to vent, because I think Anthony is being a complete dick. But I guess I joined at a bad time? Anyway, hello. Well, if you're planning to get yourself in a brighter mood, a walk might be better. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 14:04:41 GMT
But let's say he wasn't a completely evil asshole thinking "I wanna beat up my kid." and didn't have any deliberately abusive motive behind the lessons, just regular martial arts training incase she would need it, it might still end up with her internalizing the same patterns of thinking. Even without abusive intent from him she might subconciously add it to their pre-existing dynamic of how she's supposed to relate to him. I can only speak for myself, but I used to "wrestle" with my father when I was a little boy and I never "won", but this didn't discourage me at all (children will always think themselves indestructible; childhood ends when this feeling fades away). I certainly would not think that it made me subservient to him; in fact, by allowing me to playfully challenge the difference in power between father and child without unreasonably letting me win, I reckon he has helped me a lot. That depends on where you grow up, and you never know if it could not be essential one day. I don't believe Anthony has made her train martial arts against her will; she has shown that she likes to fight sometimes. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 7, 2015 14:09:04 GMT
I joined the forum just to vent, because I think Anthony is being a complete dick. But I guess I joined at a bad time? Anyway, hello. Welcome! The forums will be doing a controlled burn until about three days after Anthony's face is not in an update. There is an introduction thread (completely optional) and another thread with lists and discussions of free webcomics recommended by fellow forum-goers to help while away the time between updates of GC. Also, check out our fanarts! |
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Post by Chendzee'a on Apr 7, 2015 14:09:05 GMT
I can't belive I'm about to do this... and I hate it.
Anthony isn't acting evil if you look at this from a neutral view.
His daughter was caught cheating. She could be expelled for that, what he did was fair, even if it sucked.
He made her take off her makeup. A bit strict and prudish, but dads can be quirky like that, it doesn't make him evil. It's within his right honestly.
The Bone spears. He was clearly targeting the flame within her. It will kill her someday, he knows it first hand. He was trying to save her life by ridding her of it.
Removing Kat. This is a byproduct of her being held back a grade. Not to mention that it could be said Kat is a bad influence, look at the trouble her bots cause.
Removing the Forest. Annie is not neutral, she does not have the Courts interests at heart, she consorts with the enemy honestly. Hence why she wasn't chosen as medium.
An Aside. Annie has been in a good deal of trouble. Zimmy, Robots, Killer Ghosts, Coyote and Grin, most of it due to her running amok. What father would allow that.
Rey. Lets be honest. The man finds that his daughter is living with the murderous demon that tried to seduce his wife. For all he knows it's seducing his daughter.
Anthony may be cold, but he's at the point where he has no choice. I mean he looks at Annie and sees his dead wife. It doesn't help that Annie was the one who killed her indirectly and then took her soul away LITERALLY, walked it out the door. That has to hurt a lot, and makes it hard to deal with her. So I can understand his distance to a point. A cowardly thing, but I get it.
As for his actions, he's doing it to help her, misguided as he is. "Is he really misguided, step back and look at this from the court and his view?"
He knows shes going to hate him. So he has accepted that, hence his chill manner. Or he's shut himself down emotionally because he feels horrible for what he has to do to save her life. Or he's simply one of those cold academic types. It doesn't mean he doesn't love his daughter, it just means he's emotionally retarded due to being over analytical.
And now I hate myself, because I really want to kill this man, but I can't find fault in his actions other than him being so cold about it.
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Post by hypixion on Apr 7, 2015 14:15:51 GMT
Annie, I expected more resistance for that, ow hell no, you can't do that. Nononononono
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