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Post by mordekai on Mar 26, 2015 13:31:47 GMT
You think Surma would have married a dedicated tosser? When she had other choices available? People marry tossers all the time for various reasons. Maybe they think they can fix them, maybe they like how they look next to them because it makes their own tossery look less by comparison. Why do you think there are so many little tossers running around? There is a lot we don't know about her. Surma herself had a dark side of her own behind her soft, kind facade. Remember that she seduced Renart and acted as bait to capture him on orders from the Court. I think she knew him enough to know that he was a nice fox, but she was a good little soldier and performed her mission flawelessly (it would have been ridiculously easy for her to fail on purpose). Maybe she recognized a kindred ruthless soul in Anthony Carver. Maybe they pursued the same goals. If you think about it, Anja and Donald Donlan, despite looking like nice, kind people, are working with the Court towards whatever sinister purposes they have. They knew Renart, but they were OK with him being imprisioned and tried to picture him as a monster to Annie, they are obviously manipulating Kat, subtly guiding her to become what they want her to be (it isn't by chance that they sent her to the workshop/warehouse where she would find the old robots and Jeanne's shrine...). What I mean is, when it comes the people from the Court, you can't trust them because of their appearance. There is much we don't know about Surma. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 26, 2015 15:01:45 GMT
We do not know what has happened between Forest and Court back then, apart from the capture of Renard, but an isolated coup with no other conflicts around it makes little sense, so it is unlikely that it was the only one, and as Ys refers to Anthony as a particular there and seems to feel more negatively about Anthony than even Surma, even after he heard Surma tricked Rey away, it does give support, although no proof, for the theory that Anthony has been somehow and probably importantly involved in Court's anti-Forest actions. There's something there, not necessarily what I hypothesise, but that is a reasonable possibility. Gonna throw a dart at the board and suggest that Anthony is the reason Ys is missing an ear. Been thinking of this possibility, too, since I came up with the idea that Ysengrin is the reason Tony's missing a hand (yesterday). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 18:03:03 GMT
Gonna throw a dart at the board and suggest that Anthony is the reason Ys is missing an ear. Been thinking of this possibility, too, since I came up with the idea that Ysengrin is the reason Tony's missing a hand (yesterday). When would that have happened? Antimony's surprise at seeing it implies that Tony had two normal hands at Good Hope, and with the way Ysengrin's talked about Anthony when he came to the Court the first time, it seemed like he hadn't encountered Anthony since then... but wait, Ysengrin's the guy who periodically gets his memories eaten... |
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Post by Purgatorius on Mar 26, 2015 19:24:57 GMT
A rather long dream sequence if you're asking me.
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 26, 2015 20:12:30 GMT
Been thinking of this possibility, too, since I came up with the idea that Ysengrin is the reason Tony's missing a hand (yesterday). When would that have happened? Antimony's surprise at seeing it implies that Tony had two normal hands at Good Hope, and with the way Ysengrin's talked about Anthony when he came to the Court the first time, it seemed like he hadn't encountered Anthony since then... but wait, Ysengrin's the guy who periodically gets his memories eaten... Good point. That theory was not very serious, however. But he could have met Ysengrin, Coyote and other Forest staff without meeting with the Court. Edit: The bind would, however, have been maybe the likelier result of that meeting. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 26, 2015 22:20:41 GMT
My guess (based on other things) is that creeping American culture is to blame for the change, but would Anthony Carver know why that is happening? In America anyone can call themselves "Mr." and in some cases it is an insult (in military culture it can be disrespectful of rank for an NCO to call an officer that for example, or it is what a serviceman *can* call a civilian with the same inflection that a law enforcement officer can put on "sir" or the Japanese put on the suffix "-sama" to transform the honorific into something patronizing at best). That's why all things considered I'm still *leaning* toward the "Mister" being possibly significant along with whatever else might appear in the comic for evidence. Actually, it's to reduce confusion. Most 'lay' people wouldn't understand the distinction between 'Mister' and 'Doctor' and honestly, who wants to spend tonnes of years training only to be called 'Miss'? Seriously! The original reason was that surgeons were actually barbers originally and thus they weren't 'good enough' to be 'real doctors'. It was retained as some sort of badge of pride, but honestly I'm kind of glad it's falling out of fashion. Ah, but what has been the source of the confusion among the laity? Decades of American television programming!  |
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Post by spoonr on Mar 27, 2015 1:33:49 GMT
I s'pose I should place my bets. Hmm. If that tie is real (not a clip-on), that might say something about the state of his hand.
Anyhoo: I'm going with the hand is present, but has second or third degree burns. The visible hand is a near-future-tech healing coating (super goo, protein matrix, what have you) that lets everything grow back good as new. Whatever it is, it almost certainly keeps him from moving the hand, cause ow. Just ow.
And yeah, Anthony has lots of autism signs. Takes words overly literally (let me restate because he realized he chose a word with incorrect meaning). I don't have a book / yep feels literal rather than snarky. The stronger the emotions, the harder he clamps down on them. He seems to not know the difference between 'more difficult' and 'dumping all my knowledge on high school students'.
Or maybe this is just Jones in disguise.
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Post by Freedomfiend on Mar 27, 2015 1:48:56 GMT
I don't think it really is Antimony's dad. I think it's some kind of changeling that's disguising itself as him to shake up Annie and prevent her from thinking clearly enough to see through its disguise.
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Post by feraldog on Mar 27, 2015 3:20:12 GMT
And yeah, Anthony has lots of autism signs. Takes words overly literally (let me restate because he realized he chose a word with incorrect meaning). I don't have a book / yep feels literal rather than snarky. The stronger the emotions, the harder he clamps down on them. He seems to not know the difference between 'more difficult' and 'dumping all my knowledge on high school students'. I know people who act like this and I couldn't disagree more. To me, it reeks of passive-aggression, heavy on the aggression. If he snits and nitpicks at his daughter he never has to admit to whatever reason he has for his attitude, if she reacts with anything other than perfect stoicism it's just proof to him that it's her fault for the state of the relationship and not his- if he even wants one and isn't just staying in contact out of obligation. Again, based on the kind of people I know who would treat their own family this way... Personally I think Eglamore and Renard are biased, but correct, about Anthony: He's arrogant, selfish, and a terrible father. Even waayyy back when she was living in the hospital, she was correcting herself from calling him 'dad', switching to 'father' when she slipped up. The guy wasn't even there to tell her to make that switch. Now, several years and one long absence later, he won't even let her use the word 'father'. That's deliberate. So was his vanishing, the bonelasers incident, and calling her ridiculous in front of everyone then blaming her for delaying the class when she washed her makeup off as directed. Whatever his problem with her is*, and whatever his motives are**, Tony absolutely meant to undermine her by acting this way. I hope this is a pedestal-smashing chapter for Annie, she needs it. * If any- I am 99% positive he's got one, and would be stunned if it turned out otherwise. ** Yes nobody is what they seem, plans and schemes abound... but personalities are generally consistent. Even while he was gone, Annie seemed both afraid of him and desperate to see him (neither of which she would admit to- "he must have important work" after all). And look, the pattern continues here. |
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Post by calpal on Mar 27, 2015 5:49:29 GMT
I have this sneaking suspicion like Anthony is going to call out Kat and tell her to sod off or whatever before him and Annie even start to have a conversation...
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Post by Pig_catapult on Mar 27, 2015 6:06:15 GMT
The hand has been looking weird to me from the start, but I think I just realised why. It's the proportion of the fingers to each other. I don't think the middle three fingers are long enough in relation to the pinky finger... unless the middle three fingers are missing up to the first knuckle.
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Post by warrl on Mar 27, 2015 16:20:50 GMT
Now, several years and one long absence later, he won't even let her use the word 'father'. That was *in class*, and therefore appropriate. Not a problem. The fact that he didn't spend several hours with her in the week *before* class, during which time this detail (among a great many other things) was discussed... now THAT is a problem. |
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Post by Aura on Mar 27, 2015 17:44:31 GMT
Two peeps asked about the blood stain so here is what I assumed to be a blood stain. It could be something else though. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 27, 2015 17:57:24 GMT
Two peeps asked about the blood stain so here is what I assumed to be a blood stain. It could be something else though. Thank you! I think that's the background, his jacket ending at the border of that, all white. Could be wrong. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 28, 2015 0:06:45 GMT
Two peeps asked about the blood stain so here is what I assumed to be a blood stain. It could be something else though. Thank you! I think that's the background, his jacket ending at the border of that, all white. Could be wrong. Yup, that looks like the space between his torso and right arm. |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 28, 2015 2:19:32 GMT
Even if it were some kind of stain, it'd be hard to say for certain it's blood. Zimmy's punch could have made him spill his etheric coffee all over himself.
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 28, 2015 9:31:50 GMT
and as Ys refers to Anthony as a particular there and seems to feel more negatively about Anthony than even Surma, even after he heard Surma tricked Rey away, it does give support, although no proof, for the theory that Anthony has been somehow and probably importantly involved in Court's anti-Forest actions. There's something there, not necessarily what I hypothesise, but that is a reasonable possibility. Well, yes. Though less likely than possibility that Anthony didn't get what's going on and at a wrong moment opened his mouth, thus allowing his foot to perform some I/O operations. That would be in character. Anyway, your mention of Ysengrin using Anthony's name in an argument like this brings up another curious point: if 'Grin had some bones to pick with Anthony, maybe one of the reasons why he could return now is that 'Grin isn't the other side's Medium anymore? Then, in a roundabout way, Annie unknowingly caused this by "supplanting" him. Also, he may be in for a surprise. Of course, we may look further into this and consider that Coyote started this chain of events... or Jones?  |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 29, 2015 10:11:53 GMT
and as Ys refers to Anthony as a particular there and seems to feel more negatively about Anthony than even Surma, even after he heard Surma tricked Rey away, it does give support, although no proof, for the theory that Anthony has been somehow and probably importantly involved in Court's anti-Forest actions. There's something there, not necessarily what I hypothesise, but that is a reasonable possibility. Well, yes. Though less likely than possibility that Anthony didn't get what's going on and at a wrong moment opened his mouth, thus allowing his foot to perform some I/O operations. That would be in character. This is a joke, right? Because it certainly would not suffice to make him considered as a particularly noteworthy threat Anyway, your mention of Ysengrin using Anthony's name in an argument like this brings up another curious point: if 'Grin had some bones to pick with Anthony, maybe one of the reasons why he could return now is that 'Grin isn't the other side's Medium anymore? Then, in a roundabout way, Annie unknowingly caused this by "supplanting" him. Also, he may be in for a surprise. Of course, we may look further into this and consider that Coyote started this chain of events... or Jones? Interesting theory. Could be. Also, then it could also be that the headmaster banned this all along, maybe he needed Anthony back. |
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 29, 2015 13:20:05 GMT
This is a joke, right? Because it certainly would not suffice to make him considered as a particularly noteworthy threat Depends on what he would say.  Anyway, the examples don't specifically show that he's considered a threat. Just that he became odious/infamous in certain circles and contexts. Interesting theory. Could be. Also, then it could also be that the headmaster banned this all along, maybe he needed Anthony back. Well, yes. It would be amusing if these two were old pals too. Or even better, if he misinterpreted Anthony as an outstanding jerkass and became his fan. But old Llanwellyn seemed genuinely upset about that turn of events, and lost his poker face, despite otherwise looking like his "rat behinds to give" box was emptied many years ago. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 30, 2015 7:44:23 GMT
This is a joke, right? Because it certainly would not suffice to make him considered as a particularly noteworthy threat Depends on what he would say. Anyway, the examples don't specifically show that he's considered a threat. Just that he became odious/infamous in certain circles and contexts. Interesting theory. Could be. Also, then it could also be that the headmaster banned this all along, maybe he needed Anthony back. Well, yes. It would be amusing if these two were old pals too. Or even better, if he misinterpreted Anthony as an outstanding jerkass and became his fan. But old Llanwellyn seemed genuinely upset about that turn of events, and lost his poker face, despite otherwise looking like his "rat behinds to give" box was emptied many years ago. Maybe he's a better actor than we know. I am not the only one who initially considered it a fair chance that he originally set this whole thing (Annie the Forest medium) up intentionally, Jones and Coyote himself made the notice that he is playing a game of some sort, and it was suggested that the "leathery bag of bones" saw Coyote's move and wanted to have Court residents as mediums of both sides, thinking that Annie would act as a double agent. His resistance would only have assured Coyote, and even more so Annie and Ysengrin, to make that move. Now, your speculation about the conditions of Anthony's return would have made this all the more appealing scenario, if indeed Anthony has earlier been a central player in Court's war strategies. Now, you're seriously missing one thing about Ysengrin's mention of Anthony. It is not just that he knows his name: He accuses the Court of having planted technology in the forest in order to infect it and continues furiously "furthermore, we have a proof that Anthony Carver was the one who planted the device there" as if it was an aggravating circumstance in the threat that the device caused to them, much like when he noted it as a aggravating circumstance that the death of "one of their people" was caused by Sir Eglamore. It is not just "and we know who did it", it is "furthermore..." as if the individual person having committed the crime added to the crime. |
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