brokshi
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Post by brokshi on Mar 13, 2015 16:52:48 GMT
Yeah, it's a very strong chin. And others said he's a Dr., right? People are usually very on top of people calling them by the correct title if they spent a million years in school to get it. He's never been a very social person, it could be a mix of him not caring enough about his title and the US titles in high school where most teachers are Mr. Ms. or Mrs. |
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Post by fuzzyone on Mar 13, 2015 17:13:42 GMT
So when I tried to explain to my girlfriend why I made a sound like I had been kicked in the dangly bits while sneezing, (she is not yet a reader of GKC) I explained what I could about Anthony, what we know and have seen of him. Specifically, His emotional disconnect. Her response was that Anthony's reactions don't sound like someone malicious, or actively belligerent. To her, it sounds more like someone with Aspergers, at the most extreme, or perhaps some other disorder or condition that prevents him from connecting to others in the same way most do. There are many things that could result in emotional disconnect. It isn't conscious. I just read her the flashback from Microsat 5. She says that it screams that he does not know how to connect with other people. The one thing she is convinced of is that it is not on purpose. There are any number of reasons that could prompt this. It's not to excuse his behavior. But if this is the reason, it would be like expecting someone with Aspergers Autism disorder to connect to other people in a normal way. Aspergers, Abuse, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, those are the possible scenarios that come to her mind. And as the mother of a disabled child, she's been around autistic children.
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Post by coolpilot on Mar 13, 2015 17:46:51 GMT
So when I tried to explain to my girlfriend why I made a sound like I had been kicked in the dangly bits while sneezing, (she is not yet a reader of GKC) I explained what I could about Anthony, what we know and have seen of him. Specifically, His emotional disconnect. Her response was that Anthony's reactions don't sound like someone malicious, or actively belligerent. To her, it sounds more like someone with Aspergers, at the most extreme, or perhaps some other disorder or condition that prevents him from connecting to others in the same way most do. There are many things that could result in emotional disconnect. It isn't conscious. I just read her the flashback from Microsat 5. She says that it screams that he does not know how to connect with other people. The one thing she is convinced of is that it is not on purpose. There are any number of reasons that could prompt this. It's not to excuse his behavior. But if this is the reason, it would be like expecting someone with Aspergers Autism disorder to connect to other people in a normal way. Asperger's, Abuse, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, those are the possible scenarios that come to her mind. And as the mother of a disabled child, she's been around autistic children. As an Aspie myself, I had always assumed this since I first archive-binged the comic. 'Tis why I've never understood the people who act like he's a jerk, or does jerk things - that's just not who Anthony is. Perhaps it rubs off that way on other people, but it's not his intention. Anthony is someone who seems to have trouble reconciling & dealing with his emotions, and an even harder time dealing with other people. He also doesn't "present himself," in the sense that he doesn't outwardly show his emotions, what he's thinking, or who he really is - you have to actually get to know him to see those things (as 'Donny' and, even more so, Surma did). He has likely shown up completely unannounced to everyone (save for, obviously, the Court leadership) because of all this - he just plain doesn't know how to say (or can't handle the task of saying) "I'm coming back." His seeming detachment from everyone, including Antimony, is not because he doesn't care about them ("He still loves you"), but because he doesn't know how to connect. If you randomly came up to me on the street and tried to have a conversation with me, I'd probably seem to be a lot like Tony. Get to know me, and you'd see more of who I am. Get to know me well, and you'd have trouble trying to figure out how the person you first met is the same person you then know... and you'd also see the struggle I have with my own brain, and how difficult it is to try to work past it. I'm honestly lucky that I have certain qualities that help me work past it in many ways. So yeah, Tony's not a jerk, and showing up like this is to be completely expected & understood. |
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Post by wombat on Mar 13, 2015 17:53:57 GMT
As for the Mr. versus Dr. thing, wouldn't some of the other adults we've met have doctorates? I mean, I guess they wouldn't have to, but I assumed that Kat's parents would have advanced degrees like that, and they still go by Mr. and Mrs.
It's really up to the individual either way, I think. I had two teachers in high school who had doctorates and they both went by Dr. (well, one taught Spanish, so doctora), but the principal also had a doctorate and went by Mr.
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Post by Eversist on Mar 13, 2015 18:33:48 GMT
He's never been a very social person, it could be a mix of him not caring enough about his title and the US titles in high school where most teachers are Mr. Ms. or Mrs. I don't see how being social has anything to do with being anal about wanting your title to be correct; it's just been my experience (in the US) is all. I had both high school teachers and professors have us call them "Dr. ________." Even had a Colonel history teacher once.  As for the Mr. versus Dr. thing, wouldn't some of the other adults we've met have doctorates? I mean, I guess they wouldn't have to, but I assumed that Kat's parents would have advanced degrees like that, and they still go by Mr. and Mrs. It's really up to the individual either way, I think. I had two teachers in high school who had doctorates and they both went by Dr. (well, one taught Spanish, so doctora), but the principal also had a doctorate and went by Mr. You have some good points that I find myself agreeing with. You got that exactly backwards. I am right handed and I always hold the fork with my right hand and the knife in the left. Everyone who knows I’m right handed think it’s very weird that I do this, and those who don’t know keep asking me if I am left handed because I do this. I see your bulleted list, but feel the need to say I often eat without a knife as I don't eat much meat, and definitely use my right hand (I am right-handed). If I'm cutting, sure, I'll use my dominate hand to cut, but will switch back to eat (and know many who do this). Even when using a knife to push food onto the fork, I hold the knife with my left. Cotillion did me no good. What I mean to say with all of this is that fork-holding may not matter. I see no good reason to believe the guy in this page is not Anthony, and am actually baffled people are considering the possibility of it not being him. It simply didn’t even cross my mind. I see you have 81 posts, but you must be new here.  We debate everything. -- All this being said, I think it could be him or not be him. It just seems overly-dramatic not to reveal his face if it is in fact him, though (although Tom has a flair for the dramatic, I suppose). It's probably him, but I'm so used to Tom throwing us curveballs that I automatically assumed it was not (by consequence of this being a dream sequence). |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Mar 13, 2015 18:43:42 GMT
You can get a haircut. You can also get reconstructive surgery, although that's a little more extreme. Or it could just be a shift or revision in artstyle. My final decision is likely to be that it's not definitive until we get more info. |
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Post by keef on Mar 13, 2015 19:43:38 GMT
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Post by ryrmyrbyr on Mar 13, 2015 19:55:32 GMT
Why is Mr. Carver teaching sex ed?
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Post by Eversist on Mar 13, 2015 19:56:06 GMT
I thought we established that it was a magic dress. |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Mar 13, 2015 19:58:03 GMT
It could just be something done for the sake of clarity and art- someone who was right-handed and writing left-to-right would end up standing in front of their name as they wrote it on a chalkboard, obscuring the writing until they moved. This is the easiest way to keep "Mr. Carver" with his back to the audience and still have it easy to read what he wrote. |
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 13, 2015 20:05:59 GMT
Anthony Carver is a guy! This teacher guy is also a guy! COINCIDENCE?! Jet fuel can't melt steel beams! The Rothschilds! The Masons control London!  You can also get reconstructive surgery, although that's a little more extreme. Heck, at the Court, you can be transferred to a new custom body. ...To her, it sounds more like someone with Aspergers, at the most extreme, or perhaps some other disorder or condition that prevents him from connecting to others in the same way most do... As an Aspie myself, I had always assumed this since I first archive-binged the comic... Just throwing in my two cents: I'd always assumed that he had something along the Asperger's Syndrome spectrum too (he acts a lot like my cousin, who does have it although I do not). That being said, I still don't like him due to my interpretation of his actions in Divine (doing something targeted at her fire elemental half that may be harming her) - but that could easily change if that whole darn inexplicable chapter was explained fully. |
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QuotePilgrim
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Post by QuotePilgrim on Mar 13, 2015 20:40:31 GMT
I see your bulleted list, but feel the need to say I often eat without a knife as I don't eat much meat, and definitely use my right hand (I am right-handed). If I'm cutting, sure, I'll use my dominate hand to cut, but will switch back to eat (and know many who do this). Even when using a knife to push food onto the fork, I hold the knife with my left. Cotillion did me no good. What I mean to say with all of this is that fork-holding may not matter. Are you American? Apparently Americans are more used to holding the fork in the dominant hand, as I learned today. Tom being British, I think it’s very unlikely he’d do that, though. Anyway, you are right, fork-holding is irrelevant. I see you have 81 posts, but you must be new here. We debate everything. Oh, I know. That doesn’t prevent me from being surprised at what people here are debating, though. I was expecting the discussion being about why Anthony in the Court, and not whether or not that’s really him. I guess I should have expected this though, after the whole is that Zimmy? incident. You see, I am not really a very new member, I just am not very participative. I post mostly in the Fan art section, because that’s was one of the main reasons I created an account here. But I do read the discussion for pretty much every page, and am pretty familiarized with how things work here. Come on, if making a bulleted list like mine isn’t over-analyzing, I don’t know what is. |
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Post by Eversist on Mar 13, 2015 21:27:10 GMT
Are you American? Apparently Americans are more used to holding the fork in the dominant hand, as I learned today. Tom being British, I think it’s very unlikely he’d do that, though. Anyway, you are right, fork-holding is irrelevant. Yes! Yes I am. It all makes sense. Oh, I know. That doesn’t prevent me from being surprised at what people here are debating, though. I was expecting the discussion being about why Anthony in the Court, and not whether or not that’s really him. I guess I should have expected this though, after the whole is that Zimmy? incident. You see, I am not really a very new member, I just am not very participative. I post mostly in the Fan art section, because that’s was one of the main reasons I created an account here. But I do read the discussion for pretty much every page, and am pretty familiarized with how things work here. Yeah, I know you're not new. Sorry, that was a sarcastic annoying joke. I'm trying to remember the last time we were debating something on here that I personally found inane and frustrating. I think it was part of the cruise ship storyline, too. I totally get where you're coming from. I just find I'm not surprised by what people find to debate about on here anymore, hah! Come on, if making a bulleted list like mine isn’t over-analyzing, I don’t know what is. Hahaha, good point. You'd know the phenomenon as well as anyone. |
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Post by stef1987 on Mar 13, 2015 21:37:53 GMT
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I just can't believe it's her dad,
but I can't choose that answer in the poll, because it's not for the reason described there, it's simply because I can't handle it.
I just can't believe that Anthony would come back like that without saying anything. (actually, more like, I don't WANT to believe)
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Post by stef1987 on Mar 13, 2015 21:42:14 GMT
I'm thinking it has to be Anthony, Annie would recognise him. No I've often mistaken strangers for my parents when seeing them from behind (even recently), and I see my parents almost daily. ... But then, I have trouble keeping characters in movies apart when they have the same gender and haircolor. you silly humans, why do you all look the same. |
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Post by feraldog on Mar 13, 2015 22:18:39 GMT
Holy ... 8| ... I just can't believe it's her dad, but I can't choose that answer in the poll, because it's not for the reason described there, it's simply because I can't handle it. I just can't believe that Anthony would come back like that without saying anything. (actually, more like, I don't WANT to believe) Well, we do know he's prone to vanishing for months on end without a word (according to Donlan)... why not reappear the same way? (If this is a red herring, I will want to Zimmy-punch Tom) |
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Post by warrl on Mar 13, 2015 22:44:17 GMT
Has Anthony been shown to be left-handed? right hand holding fork which normally means right handed. Handedness is malleable in most webcomics - this makes framing shots easier. But in my experience right-handed people usually hold the fork in the right hand when they are *not* also using a knife. Which is the case on that page. It has been over two years chronologically since that scene, but it's not really relevant since she 'heard' from her father at the end of chapter 36. IF you think that being used as a communications channel for a message she could not possibly understand, without a single word actually directed *to her*, counts as hearing from him. While it technically does qualify, in many senses it fails. But he's currently in a setting where his being a doctor is not relevant and might serve as a distraction. Many people who use the title in some settings refrain from using it in other settings for that reason among others. (Granted, this is more common among people who are PhDs or LLDs rather than MDs, DDSes etc.) I see no good reason to believe the guy in this page is not Anthony, and am actually baffled people are considering the possibility of it not being him. It simply didn’t even cross my mind. I see you have 81 posts, but you must be new here. We debate everything. Yes, welcome to the internet. |
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Post by pasko on Mar 13, 2015 22:55:17 GMT
If Annie's still got that etheric cut from Jeanne, I so so so deeply hope that Anthony's got an etheric black eye. Nothing would make me happier right now. oh yes, seconded. I really wish this jerk has a permanent mark for trying to "operate" his own daugther without her permission. |
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Post by QuotePilgrim on Mar 13, 2015 22:58:03 GMT
Yeah, I know you're not new. Sorry, that was a sarcastic annoying joke. Oh, sarcasm on the internet, because that is a thing that works. Hahaha... now seriously though, sarcasm is a very weird thing. When you hear someone being sarcastic it’s almost impossible not to notice, but when you read it, well... I’ve pretty much given up on trying to be sarcastic on text communication because it’s so hard to get it to work. I'm trying to remember the last time we were debating something on here that I personally found inane and frustrating. I think it was part of the cruise ship storyline, too. I totally get where you're coming from. I just find I'm not surprised by what people find to debate about on here anymore, hah! Yeah, I shouldn’t be surprised, but there are times that what everyone is debating here is the exact opposite of what I would expect. |
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Post by eightyfour on Mar 13, 2015 23:14:43 GMT
Not necessarily a mistake, because: Handedness is malleable in most webcomics - this makes framing shots easier. Not only in webcomics, and not only handedness. This happens fairly frequently in all kinds of visual media, even live action movies: Sometimes the artist will find a certain scene or image will work better the other way around after it's already been produced, so instead of completely recreating it, they simply mirror the image. And others said he's a Dr., right? People are usually very on top of people calling them by the correct title if they spent a million years in school to get it. Usually, yes, but not necessarily always. Mathematicians for example are known to be rather relaxed about this. I'm not entirely sure how it's handled internationally, but here in Germany they rarely use their titles at all and just go with Mr./Ms. most of the time, unless it's some sort of highly formal official business. Kind of a moot point in this context since I kinda doubt our Mr. Carver here is a German Mathematician, just illustrating an example of an exception. |
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Post by calpal on Mar 13, 2015 23:50:13 GMT
I posted another thread about this, but... what if Anthony is actually an assassin / secret agent?
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Post by Bob, Squirrel King on Mar 13, 2015 23:54:17 GMT
If this isn't Anthony, then Tom has achieved new heights in the art of trolling. All other trolls would have to bow down and recognize their king. As an Aspie myself, I had always assumed this since I first archive-binged the comic. 'Tis why I've never understood the people who act like he's a jerk, or does jerk things - that's just not who Anthony is. Perhaps it rubs off that way on other people, but it's not his intention. Anthony is someone who seems to have trouble reconciling & dealing with his emotions, and an even harder time dealing with other people. He also doesn't "present himself," in the sense that he doesn't outwardly show his emotions, what he's thinking, or who he really is - you have to actually get to know him to see those things (as 'Donny' and, even more so, Surma did). He has likely shown up completely unannounced to everyone (save for, obviously, the Court leadership) because of all this - he just plain doesn't know how to say (or can't handle the task of saying) "I'm coming back." His seeming detachment from everyone, including Antimony, is not because he doesn't care about them ("He still loves you"), but because he doesn't know how to connect. If you randomly came up to me on the street and tried to have a conversation with me, I'd probably seem to be a lot like Tony. Get to know me, and you'd see more of who I am. Get to know me well, and you'd have trouble trying to figure out how the person you first met is the same person you then know... and you'd also see the struggle I have with my own brain, and how difficult it is to try to work past it. I'm honestly lucky that I have certain qualities that help me work past it in many ways. So yeah, Tony's not a jerk, and showing up like this is to be completely expected & understood. Considering the fact that he is incredibly distant to his own daughter, I have trouble accepting that explanation for his behavior. I can see him having some sort of medical reason for him to act the way he does with most people, but him acting the way he does to Annie goes beyond that, considering how much emotion we see from him when he and Donny are alone in the flashback. What is more likely is he at least on some level blames her for Surma's death, and that is a dick move, no matter what condition he has. That is why people think he is a jerk. |
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Post by wanderer on Mar 14, 2015 0:11:16 GMT
So... you're asking if this is the guy who apparently tried to murder Annie a few chapters back, and would have succeeded if Zimmy hadn't interfered? I'ma go with a solid "maybe."
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Post by calpal on Mar 14, 2015 0:14:18 GMT
So... you're asking if this is the guy who apparently tried to murder Annie a few chapters back, and would have succeeded if Zimmy hadn't interfered? I'ma go with a solid "maybe." Did not try to murder her. I think he's an asshole, but not a kinslayer. Annie was having emotional issues with her dad being absent, right after her phone conversation with him in Chapter 35 (almost said episode 5... weird...). Zimmy went into the Ether and figured out, not only that her condition was related to her father's impact on her, but try and break the connection in a way that Annie would be able to get over him. This is Gunnerkrigg Court, not Crusader Kings 2. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Mar 14, 2015 0:48:53 GMT
Oh, I know. That doesn’t prevent me from being surprised at what people here are debating, though. I was expecting the discussion being about why Anthony in the Court, and not whether or not that’s really him. I guess I should have expected this though, after the whole is that Zimmy? incident. But see, whether or not that is Anthony will likely be answered soon; WHY he's there could be awhile. We got pleeeenty of time to go nuts over that one. Plus I kinda like the sillier debates. I am right handed and I always hold the fork with my right hand and the knife in the left. Everyone who knows I’m right handed think it’s very weird that I do this, and those who don’t know keep asking me if I am left handed because I do this. Oh hey, I do this, too! |
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Post by Corvo on Mar 14, 2015 1:09:18 GMT
I'm still recovering from the Gravity Falls reveal. What are ya doin' to me?! Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, AND Gunnerkrigg Court have chosen this week to torture our minds and hearts... Good god, can you imagine if all three creators went and made something together. Now, if only we had another episode of Adventure Time in the likes of "I Remember You"... |
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 14, 2015 1:18:21 GMT
I thought we established that it was a magic dress. Made by the same seamstress that made the blue/black/white/gold dress. Tom's a man ahead of his time. Oh, I know. That doesn’t prevent me from being surprised at what people here are debating, though. I was expecting the discussion being about why Anthony in the Court, and not whether or not that’s really him. I guess I should have expected this though, after the whole is that Zimmy? incident. But see, whether or not that is Anthony will likely be answered soon; WHY he's there could be awhile. We got pleeeenty of time to go nuts over that one. Plus I kinda like the sillier debates. He's clearly working for the Great Race of Yith, and is looking for a connection between Coyote, the Flying Polyps, and apples. I hardly see how that's silly. |
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Post by Corvo on Mar 14, 2015 1:25:15 GMT
You got that exactly backwards. I am right handed and I always hold the fork with my right hand and the knife in the left. Everyone who knows I’m right handed think it’s very weird that I do this, and those who don’t know keep asking me if I am left handed because I do this. Maybe it's a cultural thing? Because everybody I know holds the fork with the right hand, and I don't think I know any left handed person. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Mar 14, 2015 1:38:54 GMT
Not just fork right-handed, but knife left-handed as well. I don't switch. Most people I know switch to cut things.
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Post by arf on Mar 14, 2015 1:47:00 GMT
Tony turning up is a fair plot twist.
Tony turning up with *no* prior warning is believable, given Tony's isolated nature in the past.
Tony turning up *as a teacher* with *no* prior warning is a stretch too far. Too many others would have to know.
However, if we've been dropped into the story halfway through, as has happened before, then it begins to be believable again (whatever happened, Tony's now there. Annie and Kat still aren't too comfortable with it, but are over the initial shock.)
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