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Post by todd on Sept 24, 2014 22:15:46 GMT
I don't think this will happen; while it's true that there is much we don't know about Lindsey, I think we can safely conclude that she will not appreciate the students being endangered and taken hostage. Neither will the Court, for that matter (and there's no way they can keep it from finding out, even if they wanted to; with so many students witnessing the event, they'd never be able to keep it a secret - and that's in addition to Annie's message to Reynardine, which he'll probably pass along to people like Mrs. Donlan, Eglamore, and Jones - he knows that he can't rescue the students by himself) - an entire year's worth of students subjected to the horrors of a nightmare world is something no school could ever be expected to tolerate. Even the ship's motivation isn't going to give it much of a case. Its best defense would be that it didn't know just how horrible Zimmy's world is (which is plausible) - but it and the Seraphs still forced Zimmy to take them there against her will. And the Headmaster, who's at the top, doesn't strike me as that lenient or forgiving. The ship will be fortunate indeed if it escapes being broken up for scrap and its CPU stored away for at least a few years. |
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 24, 2014 22:27:16 GMT
Oooh, a challenge! Yes, she can do it... or can it. |
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Post by bykerhill on Sept 24, 2014 22:39:01 GMT
the robots now always refer to Kat as "Creator" rather than "Angel", I wonder why? Quite strange. (or did they start doing that way before this chapter and I merely forgot?) There are two different (formerly opposed) groups of robots; Robot's Cult (who are presumably still calling her Angel) and the Seraphs (who, since becoming aware of Kat, have always referred to her as Creator). As far as I can tell from events in the comic, while the two groups are no longer in conflict, they have VERY different attitudes and beliefs about Kat. Robot and the Cult seem to look upon her as a literal angel whose word is to be heeded and studied for meaning. The Seraphs by contrast seem to view her as a tool or a service figure who was promised to them, to bring them to a new state of being: useful, certainly; destined, perhaps; divine and to be heeded, not even remotely. As far as I can tell the events of Torn Sea ONLY involve the Seraphs and their followers, and not Robot and his. I would bet that Robot knows nothing about this scheme and would try to stop it if he did. |
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Post by Ophel on Sept 24, 2014 23:12:57 GMT
I have been saving that, I'll be honest. As far as I can tell the events of Torn Sea ONLY involve the Seraphs and their followers, and not Robot and his. I would bet that Robot knows nothing about this scheme and would try to stop it if he did. Hmm... I kinda wonder now. Will Robot try, though? Those last scenes from Thread makes me think otherwise. Like, the Cult would be in unbridled awe of their Angel, to be giving such a "generous gift" to one of their own. But I will give Robot some credit (is that the word for it?) for stopping this whole shebang because they're forcing Kat to do it. I'm sure Robot can "recommend" what to do much better than the Seraphs. He is Kat's friend, after all. |
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Post by bykerhill on Sept 24, 2014 23:36:59 GMT
As far as I can tell the events of Torn Sea ONLY involve the Seraphs and their followers, and not Robot and his. I would bet that Robot knows nothing about this scheme and would try to stop it if he did. Hmm... I kinda wonder now. Will Robot try, though? Those last scenes from Thread makes me think otherwise. Like, the Cult would be in unbridled awe of their Angel, to be giving such a "generous gift" to one of their own. But I will give Robot some credit (is that the word for it?) for stopping this whole shebang because they're forcing Kat to do it. I'm sure Robot can "recommend" what to do much better than the Seraphs. He is Kat's friend, after all. See, the thing about those last few scenes from Thread is, while what Robot's saying may be kind of creepy, it's almost totally reactive and divinatory. In other words, "The Angel SAID and DID X, therefore we are taught Y." The Angel is a divine figure, she has said and done this, and here are the lessons we can draw from it. What the Seraphs are doing here is totally different and in keeping with the tone of the Seraphs thus far. Rather than 'Here is what the Angel did, what meaning do we draw from it' they are going 'Here is what WE want to happen, now how do we make the Creator do it for us?' I think Robot would be horrified not just because Kat and Annie are his friends, but because the Seraphs are attempting to force their will on his divine being. Blasphemy at the least! |
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Post by arkadi on Sept 25, 2014 0:03:12 GMT
"I can't just magic a new body for you!" Always with them negative waves, Kat. Have a little faith!  A scary thought: people here have been speculating that those buildings on the ship-creature's back are the nightmare city that Annie, Jack, Jenny, Winsbury, Janet, and the rest of the students are trapped in, and that they're really on the creature speaking to Kat. If so, what happens to them once Kat starts to seriously reshape that creature beyond (inadvertently) giving it human-like arms and hands? They will... become part of something bigger. Let's just leave it at that  I keep my fingers crossed and hope Kat realizes her friends are in there before she goes and does something irreversible. Because I'm fully expecting her to get all fired up and carried away by her new divine powers asnd start working on the ship straight away! Oh, and for the record: I don't think those giant hands are going into the ship. I think they're what she's going to use to work on it. (which, if so, also raises the question of what Kat and Paz are standing on - is the ship in two places at once, and now inside itself?) (...) We're obviously not entirely in 3D euclidian geometry anymore. Yep, the whole thing is screaming time-spatial paradox. I said it about the previous page and I stand by that first impression: this etheric disruption looks anything but stable. Whether this means it'll be easier or more difficult to fix, it remains to be seen. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 25, 2014 0:10:13 GMT
Speaking of relation ships and all that, I noticed the other day that I'd been operating under the unfounded assumption that Lyn would either reject the Love Boat or consume him in some sort of mating act as a tragic irony and either way he wouldn't be a factor in further chapters. But really, what do we know about what Lyn would find attractive or what her needs are? Wouldn't it be grand if the plot twist of the chapter is that Lyn decides to have an affair with him? I hope Tom won't take that approach; it would feel like rewarding the ship for causing (or helping to cause - the Seraph robots played a large role in it) all this trouble. Don't worry, he almost certainly won't. Like I said in my first post on this it's probably too much to hope for. There's just an bare outside chance because love making people do strange things is a theme of the comic. And I dunno about you guys but a lot of my childhood and teen years were spent being forced to do stuff that adults wanted me to do. We don't see a lot of that in the comic, I suppose because we're more focused on adventures than school work and we've got robots for chores (with the exception of Annie in the Forest). Speaking of relation ships and all that, I noticed the other day that I'd been operating under the unfounded assumption that Lyn would either reject the Love Boat or consume him in some sort of mating act as a tragic irony and either way he wouldn't be a factor in further chapters. But really, what do we know about what Lyn would find attractive or what her needs are? Or if etheric crabs are monogamous. As far as we know, when Love Boat and Bub meet, they may do a claw-bump. Thus starting the most disturbing side-story ever - a crustacean reverse-harem adventure. What would its name be? "Lyndsey Muyo"? "Love Adrift"? "You Have Crabs"? Can you imagine the fan service? *shudder* At least the r34 will be easy. Step 1: Put a huge crab, a tiny crab (optional), a toy boat and 1/2 kilo of sand in a small cardboard box. Step 2: Shake the box vigorously until the contents are picturesque. Step 3: Take a picture. Step 4: Repeat steps 1-3 until you have a decent collection of raw images. Step 5: Use your favorite editing software to convert the raw images into line drawings and sort them into order; add extra eyes/limbs, word bubbles and text. Step 6: Post the images somewhere and gauge internet goofball reaction. If reaction is favorable, create paysite. Step 7: Repeat steps 1-5 and post collections of pron (prawn?) to website periodically to satisfy demented customers. Each image collection should have different dialogue and possibly costumes. Consider having large crab wear maid outfit, or body paint. Step 8: Offer to take commissions for custom prawn. Step 9: ? ? ? Step 10: Profit |
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Post by Ophel on Sept 25, 2014 0:14:59 GMT
What the Seraphs are doing here is totally different and in keeping with the tone of the Seraphs thus far. Rather than 'Here is what the Angel did, what meaning do we draw from it' they are going 'Here is what WE want to happen, now how do we make the Creator do it for us?' I think Robot would be horrified not just because Kat and Annie are his friends, but because the Seraphs are attempting to force their will on his divine being. Blasphemy at the least! I see your point. And all this talk of Robot, I haven't heard from Shadow 2 for a while now. Hope he's alright. I mean, I guess he's doing school now with the others from Chester. |
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Post by thedoctor on Sept 25, 2014 1:13:25 GMT
Do we expect a maniacal cackle, come Friday? No, more of an "Oh God, what has been done to me?" the robots now always refer to Kat as "Creator" rather than "Angel", I wonder why? Quite strange. (or did they start doing that way before this chapter and I merely forgot?) There are two different (formerly opposed) groups of robots; Robot's Cult (who are presumably still calling her Angel) and the Seraphs (who, since becoming aware of Kat, have always referred to her as Creator). As far as I can tell from events in the comic, while the two groups are no longer in conflict, they have VERY different attitudes and beliefs about Kat. Robot and the Cult seem to look upon her as a literal angel whose word is to be heeded and studied for meaning. The Seraphs by contrast seem to view her as a tool or a service figure who was promised to them, to bring them to a new state of being: useful, certainly; destined, perhaps; divine and to be heeded, not even remotely. As far as I can tell the events of Torn Sea ONLY involve the Seraphs and their followers, and not Robot and his. I would bet that Robot knows nothing about this scheme and would try to stop it if he did. Yes, Robot would definitely try to stop it, to my mind at least. Hmm... I kinda wonder now. Will Robot try, though? Those last scenes from Thread makes me think otherwise. Like, the Cult would be in unbridled awe of their Angel, to be giving such a "generous gift" to one of their own. But I will give Robot some credit (is that the word for it?) for stopping this whole shebang because they're forcing Kat to do it. I'm sure Robot can "recommend" what to do much better than the Seraphs. He is Kat's friend, after all. See, the thing about those last few scenes from Thread is, while what Robot's saying may be kind of creepy, it's almost totally reactive and divinatory. In other words, "The Angel SAID and DID X, therefore we are taught Y." The Angel is a divine figure, she has said and done this, and here are the lessons we can draw from it. What the Seraphs are doing here is totally different and in keeping with the tone of the Seraphs thus far. Rather than 'Here is what the Angel did, what meaning do we draw from it' they are going 'Here is what WE want to happen, now how do we make the Creator do it for us?' I think Robot would be horrified not just because Kat and Annie are his friends, but because the Seraphs are attempting to force their will on his divine being. Blasphemy at the least! Yes, exactly! Very good analysis, to my mind. |
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Post by stclair on Sept 25, 2014 10:03:44 GMT
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Post by Angry Individual on Sept 25, 2014 10:36:05 GMT
Quick, Kat, use your new giant god hand abilities to crush the boat.
Nothing can go wrong.
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Post by todd on Sept 25, 2014 10:49:26 GMT
I don't think this will happen; while it's true that there is much we don't know about Lindsey, I think we can safely conclude that she will not appreciate the students being endangered and taken hostage. I forgot to mention it yesterday, but it still strikes me as one of those details that makes you wonder what the shp was thinking when it set up the plan (though maybe it was more the Seraphs' plan and the ship followed them, too distracted by thoughts over becoming flesh to see the holes in it). |
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Post by stclair on Sept 25, 2014 11:26:46 GMT
Humans often aren't very good at seeing the object of their affections as an actor in his/her own right, rather than merely a passive prize to be "won" (by meeting certain criteria, overcoming a rival, or both). You expect a robot to be less naive?
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Post by todd on Sept 25, 2014 12:06:19 GMT
Humans often aren't very good at seeing the object of their affections as an actor in his/her own right, rather than merely a passive prize to be "won" (by meeting certain criteria, overcoming a rival, or both). You expect a robot to be less naive? Yes, good point. And the robots at Court do seem incredibly naive. |
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Post by goldenknots on Sept 25, 2014 13:25:52 GMT
Humans often aren't very good at seeing the object of their affections as an actor in his/her own right, rather than merely a passive prize to be "won" (by meeting certain criteria, overcoming a rival, or both). You expect a robot to be less naive? Yes, good point. And the robots at Court do seem incredibly naive. Yep. Set up an algorithm, gather some data, and run the code. Answer pops up, so you go with it. What could possibly go wrong? |
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Post by todd on Sept 25, 2014 15:44:23 GMT
There's just an bare outside chance because love making people do strange things is a theme of the comic. And I dunno about you guys but a lot of my childhood and teen years were spent being forced to do stuff that adults wanted me to do. We don't see a lot of that in the comic, I suppose because we're more focused on adventures than school work and we've got robots for chores (with the exception of Annie in the Forest). This isn't just forcing Kat to make the ship flesh; this is trapping a whole year of bewildered and terrified schoolchildren in a nightmare world filled with malevolent spiders that can possess people and worse, all simply because they were on board the same boat as her. I don't see anything romantic about such behavior, and we try to excuse it as "all for love" at our peril. |
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Post by keef on Sept 25, 2014 17:37:33 GMT
people here have been speculating that those buildings on the ship-creature's back are the nightmare city I've been wrong about everything this chapter (except that the cruise would end in tears), but I thought those things are the mainframe the AI resides in  |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 25, 2014 17:57:42 GMT
There's just an bare outside chance because love making people do strange things is a theme of the comic. And I dunno about you guys but a lot of my childhood and teen years were spent being forced to do stuff that adults wanted me to do. We don't see a lot of that in the comic, I suppose because we're more focused on adventures than school work and we've got robots for chores (with the exception of Annie in the Forest). This isn't just forcing Kat to make the ship flesh; this is trapping a whole year of bewildered and terrified schoolchildren in a nightmare world filled with malevolent spiders that can possess people and worse, all simply because they were on board the same boat as her. I don't see anything romantic about such behavior, and we try to excuse it as "all for love" at our peril. Please don't confuse my enjoyment of the comic with my condoning of or a general endorsement of the behavior of the cartoon characters within it; my speculation of what may happen and/or my statements about what I might enjoy seeing later in the comic are only a function of that enjoyment of the comic. That said: Playing devil's advocate here, but an adult person carrying on a secret (possibly toxic) "romantic" relationship and unfairly leaning on a child/children to enable or cover up for him/her has been known to happen. And a big group of kids being grossed out by the "dude" trusted with their care abandoning his responsibilities to try to mack the married dorm matron and not being able to escape the situation, well, that's probably happened before too. Zimmingham's nobodies are possibly memories and spiders do psychological damage which has a parallel to children being stuck in an unfair position by adults. Again, NOT saying a regular charter for the Love Boat is likely... just sayin... |
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 25, 2014 18:02:37 GMT
Please don't confuse my enjoyment of the comic with my condoning of or a general endorsement of the behavior of the cartoon characters within it; And leave the high horse unused? |
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 25, 2014 20:00:50 GMT
Humans often aren't very good at seeing the object of their affections as an actor in his/her own right, rather than merely a passive prize to be "won" (by meeting certain criteria, overcoming a rival, or both). You expect a robot to be less naive? Especially since they were designed by a love-sick stalker, who resorted to murder when he couldn't 'win' the love of his stalkee? Doubly because they are already known to share many of his mental characteristics? My expectations for robots' abilities to handle love can't go much lower. |
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Post by bykerhill on Sept 25, 2014 21:06:11 GMT
Humans often aren't very good at seeing the object of their affections as an actor in his/her own right, rather than merely a passive prize to be "won" (by meeting certain criteria, overcoming a rival, or both). You expect a robot to be less naive? Especially since they were designed by a love-sick stalker, who resorted to murder when he couldn't 'win' the love of his stalkee? Doubly because they are already known to share many of his mental characteristics? My expectations for robots' abilities to handle love can't go much lower. On the other hand, we know Bobby can apparently ghostwrite a pretty good love letter. Paz pronounces herself satisfied with Robot Dating Service, would use again. |
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Post by Intelligence on Sept 25, 2014 22:00:00 GMT
Why does nearly everyone not like the robots all of a sudden? And why do they think the students are "hostages"??  The robots have done NOTHING wrong. |
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Post by todd on Sept 25, 2014 22:06:44 GMT
Why does nearly everyone not like the robots all of a sudden? And why do they think the students are "hostages"?? The robots have done NOTHING wrong. Have you even read the past Zimmy chapters? |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 25, 2014 22:32:10 GMT
Please don't confuse my enjoyment of the comic with my condoning of or a general endorsement of the behavior of the cartoon characters within it; And leave the high horse unused? Leave no high horse unbeaten! |
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Post by Ophel on Sept 25, 2014 22:34:23 GMT
Why does nearly everyone not like the robots all of a sudden? And why do they think the students are "hostages"?? The robots have done NOTHING wrong. Well... It seems that the ship is working with the Seraphs to ask Katerina's help in trying to woo Lindsey. One problem here is that the robots had basically forced Zimmy into... what appears to be bringing the entire ship into Zimmingham. This way, they can achieve their goal in using Kat's prototype limb to make the ship flesh. Another problem here is that there are other students involved (a whole year of them, it seems). They were brought into Zimmingham. This wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the danger this posed (that we know of), which is the possibility of the students being infested/possessed by the Whitelegs. You can say they really aren't doing anything wrong, but they are, however, reckless. Deadthly reckless. Almost selfishly so. One way to go about this nicely is to just ask Kat to do the favour when the cruise is over and all the students alight the ship, but of course, as Kat said before, she can't do anything with here prototype limb. They need to ask Zimmy's help too. Annie might be able to convince Zimmy to help, maybe. Through Gamma. They can they make the trip to the syphons again to carry out this... experiment without involving anyone else. Instead they disregarded the safety of the students entirely, and forcing Kat and Zimmy to do stuff for them. Granted, with a please, but forcing someone to do things renders that pointless. |
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Post by blix1ms0ns on Sept 25, 2014 22:46:50 GMT
Oh no. Oooh no. No no no. NO. No. Too awful. Nothing good will happen from that, I bet. I'm terrified by what will happen next. Oh no no no. *sadly shakes her head from left to right* Especially with zimmyvison seeing Kat's etheric form |
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Post by Elysium on Sept 26, 2014 3:34:30 GMT
The robots have done NOTHING wrong. Like stealing Kat's experiment ? |
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Post by The Anarch on Sept 26, 2014 4:12:56 GMT
Why does nearly everyone not like the robots all of a sudden? And why do they think the students are "hostages"?? The robots have done NOTHING wrong. The answers you seek are here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and probably a couple other spots I may have missed. All of these in direct response to the last three times you asked basically this exact same question. |
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 26, 2014 7:44:06 GMT
And leave the high horse unused? Leave no high horse unbeaten! Yup. You see how this philosophy emerges... |
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Post by todd on Sept 26, 2014 10:43:22 GMT
Why does nearly everyone not like the robots all of a sudden? And why do they think the students are "hostages"?? The robots have done NOTHING wrong. The answers you seek are here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and probably a couple other spots I may have missed. All of these in direct response to the last three times you asked basically this exact same question. I'm starting to think that he doesn't really believe his own statements, but is simply trying to provoke a reaction from everyone else. |
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I keep my fingers crossed and hope Kat realizes her friends are in there before she goes and does something irreversible. Because I'm fully expecting her to get all fired up and carried away by her new divine powers asnd start working on the ship straight away!
The robots have done NOTHING wrong.
