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Post by zimmyhoo on Dec 23, 2013 13:11:37 GMT
Judas: Not a Tax Collector
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Post by nightwind on Dec 23, 2013 15:37:25 GMT
Also named after a biblical king *high-fives daedalus*
And he's not even in GK Sierras pic.
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 23, 2013 16:01:22 GMT
Also named after a biblical king *high-fives daedalus* And he's not even in GK Sierras pic. *high-five* Nebuchadnezzar, is that you? |
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Post by nightwind on Dec 23, 2013 18:01:32 GMT
Has a certain coolness-factor, but no babylonian.  (that should narrow it...) |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 23, 2013 19:00:09 GMT
Has a certain coolness-factor, but no babylonian. (that should narrow it...) Hmmm...patriarch or normal king? |
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Post by sidhekin on Dec 23, 2013 22:17:17 GMT
Has a certain coolness-factor, but no babylonian. (that should narrow it...) Cyrus?  |
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Post by warrl on Dec 24, 2013 0:27:38 GMT
Mine is also biblical, unrelatedly. It's a popular choice. If you don't know what to call the lil' bundle, there are always 12 solid fall-backs that wont handicap their choices later in life. If I ever have a boy, I don't think I will name him after one of the apostles, though. That's a lot to live up to. Not to worry. Aaron, Abner, Abraham, Adam, Alexander, Amos, Andrew, Barnabas, Bartholomew, Benjamin, Caleb, Claude, Cornelius That's thirteen, with no apostles, and I only got through the letter C. (Yeah, I cheated. christianity.about.com/od/christainbabyboynames/a/boynamesab.htm ) I heard once about a mixed-religion couple, the man being Jewish while his wife was Irish Catholic, and they decided that they would name their first child Aaron if a boy, but Erin if a girl. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 24, 2013 3:09:16 GMT
Aaron if a boy, but Erin if a girl. Funny that you should say that. Aaron is the name my sister chose for herself after she decided she wanted to be a dude. The second one (spelled Eryn, though) was my first real crush. There was some confusion that resulted from this. I would go on, but the tale ends badly.  |
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Post by lit on Dec 24, 2013 3:21:43 GMT
Aaron if a boy, but Erin if a girl. Funny that you should say that. Aaron is the name my sister chose for herself after she decided she wanted to be a dude. The second one (spelled Eryn, though) was my first real crush. There was some confusion that resulted from this. I would go on, but the tale ends badly. There's a neat arc in the comic Girls With Slingshots dealing with Erin/Aaron gender ambiguity. If your sibling identifies as male, why would you refer to them as your sister, and with "she" pronouns? Did they change back? EDIT: Heeere is the GWS comic. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 24, 2013 4:22:25 GMT
If your sibling identifies as male, why would you refer to them as your sister, and with "she" pronouns? Habit, I guess. I've gotten used to not calling her "Anna", and even if it slips out once in a while she is not the type to be offended. However, I cannot really bring myself to see her as a "brother" instead of a sister because she is still fairly feminine. It's not that I haven't tried, I just unconsciously call her my sister to other people, and I'm usually not in a position to stop, go back and correct myself without getting people involved in things that aren't my business to be discussing anyway. She is still a minor for another year, and our family is hardly in a position to shell out for a sex change. It's been a weird couple years. Major paradigm shift for me. I always thought of myself as a very progressive person socially and politically, so it was kind of a blow to my self-righteous self-image when I initially greeted her news with uncomfortable disbelief. I still kick myself for insisting it was just a phase at first. I apologized later, but she really could have used me on her side right then instead of squicking out and telling her it was all in her head. |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Dec 24, 2013 4:34:32 GMT
If your sibling identifies as male, why would you refer to them as your sister, and with "she" pronouns? Habit, I guess. I've gotten used to not calling her "Anna", and even if it slips out once in a while she is not the type to be offended. However, I cannot really bring myself to see her as a "brother" instead of a sister because she is still fairly feminine. It's not that I haven't tried, I just unconsciously call her my sister to other people, and I'm usually not in a position to stop, go back and correct myself without getting people involved in things that aren't my business to be discussing anyway. She is still a minor for another year, and our family is hardly in a position to shell out for a sex change. It's been a weird couple years. Major paradigm shift for me. I always thought of myself as a very progressive person socially and politically, so it was kind of a blow to my self-righteous self-image when I initially greeted her news with uncomfortable disbelief. I still kick myself for insisting it was just a phase at first. I apologized later, but she really could have used me on her side right then instead of squicking out and telling her it was all in her head. That's still a lot of she/hers. I've seen a lot of transgender qna/amas, but never from the relations of that person. I can't imagine how weird that must be. :F |
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Post by lit on Dec 24, 2013 7:26:51 GMT
Habit, I guess. I've gotten used to not calling her "Anna", and even if it slips out once in a while she is not the type to be offended. However, I cannot really bring myself to see her as a "brother" instead of a sister because she is still fairly feminine. It's not that I haven't tried, I just unconsciously call her my sister to other people, and I'm usually not in a position to stop, go back and correct myself without getting people involved in things that aren't my business to be discussing anyway. She is still a minor for another year, and our family is hardly in a position to shell out for a sex change. It's been a weird couple years. Major paradigm shift for me. I always thought of myself as a very progressive person socially and politically, so it was kind of a blow to my self-righteous self-image when I initially greeted her news with uncomfortable disbelief. I still kick myself for insisting it was just a phase at first. I apologized later, but she really could have used me on her side right then instead of squicking out and telling her it was all in her head. But you could be using the right pronouns right now. This is written communication. You're not just slipping up here, you're intentionally calling him a girl to us - right now, unlike other times, you are in a position to go back and correct yourself. I know this is a personal issue for you and I appreciate that you've opened up about to us about it. I don't know the details of the situation, I don't know you that well, and I don't want to pick a fight. And you seem to care about your brother a lot and I know you're doing your best and have already come a long way. But this subject means a lot to me. For reasons. So... I hope you can forgive me.
The more you practice, the more you will get used to using the name and the pronouns (and the way you think of him will change over time as a result). By not using them, you're only reinforcing your initial assertion - that it was all in his head - to everybody, including him and yourself. There isn't really much sense in waiting until he has had an operation to make a concentrated effort to change your language. Transitions can take several years to complete - they often happen slowly over time, not all at once. If he's picked out a name for himself, and told you about it, I'd wager it means he wants you to start seeing him as a man now. Just because he doesn't appear to get offended when you slip up, doesn't mean he doesn't feel it.
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 24, 2013 17:49:40 GMT
But this subject means a lot to me. For reasons. So... I hope you can forgive me. Of course- Thank you for giving your input. I really should stop making excuses. It's just a lot harder than I thought it would be. |
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Post by Lightice on Dec 24, 2013 17:56:04 GMT
Habit, I guess. I've gotten used to not calling her "Anna", and even if it slips out once in a while she is not the type to be offended. However, I cannot really bring myself to see her as a "brother" instead of a sister because she is still fairly feminine. It's not that I haven't tried, I just unconsciously call her my sister to other people, and I'm usually not in a position to stop, go back and correct myself without getting people involved in things that aren't my business to be discussing anyway. Oh the synchronity. My younger brother used to be my younger sister and was also called Anna. It's been awhile now and he now sports a goatee, so chances of mix-ups have gotten pretty small. He still looks very androgynous if he shaves, though. Fortunately my language doesn't have the pronoun problem, though it took about a year to get used to his new name. But anyway, unless you actively resist, it's going to feel pretty normal in a year or two. You don't have government-sponsored gender correction in your country? |
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 24, 2013 18:34:31 GMT
You don't have government-sponsored gender correction in your country? Oh heavens no. The right wingers would have a FIELD DAY with that one. I can just imagine the headlines on the fundraising mailers... LIBERALS ARE SPENDING YOUR TAX DOLLARS ON SEX CHANGES - JESUS IS LITERALLY WEEPING - WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT I actually did not know that was a thing until just now. So lets see, genderless language, real healthcare coverage... are we talking Norway here? Sweden? |
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Post by nightwind on Dec 24, 2013 18:44:25 GMT
Hmmm...patriarch or normal king? You wanna guess? A proper king. With crown, seated on the throne. |
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 24, 2013 18:46:35 GMT
You don't have government-sponsored gender correction in your country? Oh heavens no. The right wingers would have a FIELD DAY with that one. I can just imagine the headlines on the fundraising mailers... LIBERALS ARE SPENDING YOUR TAX DOLLARS ON SEX CHANGES - JESUS IS LITERALLY WEEPING - WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT I actually did not know that was a thing until just now. (yawn) What's worse, you're discriminating against ponies mistakenly born in human body.  |
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 24, 2013 19:35:12 GMT
(yawn) What's worse, you're discriminating against ponies mistakenly born in human body. That's not even mentioning what we do to cephalopods. (hint: it involves a creamy braising sauce) |
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Post by The Anarch on Dec 24, 2013 20:26:00 GMT
You don't have government-sponsored gender correction in your country? Oh heavens no. The right wingers would have a FIELD DAY with that one. I can just imagine the headlines on the fundraising mailers... LIBERALS ARE SPENDING YOUR TAX DOLLARS ON SEX CHANGES - JESUS IS LITERALLY WEEPING - WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT You're forgetting the part where the government would be forcing all of us to undergo sex-change operations whether we want to or not. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 24, 2013 20:38:43 GMT
You're forgetting the part where the government would be forcing all of us to undergo sex-change operations whether we want to or not. You think Obama won't use death panels to sex change your grandma? THINK AGAIN |
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Post by The Anarch on Dec 24, 2013 20:40:16 GMT
You're forgetting the part where the government would be forcing all of us to undergo sex-change operations whether we want to or not. You think Obama won't use death panels to sex change your grandma? THINK AGAIN So that's the change he was talking about this whole time! It all makes sense now! |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Dec 24, 2013 22:21:53 GMT
You think Obama won't use death panels to sex change your grandma? THINK AGAIN So that's the change he was talking about this whole time! It all makes sense now!As a dubious conservative, I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry over this. I'm going to go with both; dubbing it sadly hilarious. |
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Post by Lightice on Dec 24, 2013 23:32:50 GMT
Oh heavens no. The right wingers would have a FIELD DAY with that one. I can just imagine the headlines on the fundraising mailers... LIBERALS ARE SPENDING YOUR TAX DOLLARS ON SEX CHANGES - JESUS IS LITERALLY WEEPING - WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT I actually did not know that was a thing until just now. Huh. I admit that the only source of info of the legal treatment of intersexuality in the US that I have comes from The Silence of the Lambs, but that came off as rather understanding and benign (the villain only imagined himself to be transsexual, and all the correction clinics kept trying to direct him to more appropriate therapy). I just assumed that there was a system in place, I guess. Geographically close: Finland. Swedish and Norwegian have gendered pronouns, just as English, but Finnish only has one third person pronoun for people and in everyday speech even that is usually replaced by a pronoun originally reserved for inanimate objects, so we literally call our friends and family "se" -- "it" in English. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 24, 2013 23:52:01 GMT
I just assumed that there was a system in place, I guess. Oh, there is definately a system in place. It's more of a game, actually, where the medical facilities see how much they can get away with billing the insurance companies, and regular people get caught in the middle. Being a trans-gender individual is not seen by insurance companies as something they have a moral or fiduciary responsibility to cover, and those companies are usually the final arbiter of whether you can have a procedure done or not, as paying out of pocket for anything more than a check-up can literally bankrupt you. If you're paying out of pocket, just take whatever the hospital paid for it and multiply it by ten. Often it will be even higher.  |
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Post by keef on Dec 25, 2013 0:17:33 GMT
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 27, 2013 0:44:28 GMT
And to put Kat's behaviour in perspective... she's lucky. At least Anja isn't as observant, easygoing and worldly as certain other nice dark-haired lady. Now that could be awkwa-a-a-a-ard.  Oh heavens no. The right wingers would have a FIELD DAY with that one. I can just imagine the headlines on the fundraising mailers... LIBERALS ARE SPENDING YOUR TAX DOLLARS ON SEX CHANGES and those companies are usually the final arbiter of whether you can have a procedure done or not, as paying out of pocket for anything more than a check-up can literally bankrupt you. ...and bureaucrats very responsible people blessed by Big Bro would never pay for plumbing as if each pipe was made of gold. Therefore, free breakfast are the best! MRI uses superconductors. All liquid nitrogen is desperately needed for the ongoing War On Maxwell's Demons! You don't want Sahara to melt, do you? |
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 27, 2013 0:52:49 GMT
Breakfast might be free, but lunch... there is no free lunch.
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Post by crater on Dec 27, 2013 0:54:03 GMT
And to put Kat's behaviour in perspective... she's lucky. At least Anja isn't as observant, easygoing and worldly as certain other nice dark-haired lady. Now that could be awkwa-a-a-a-ard. Oh heavens no. The right wingers would have a FIELD DAY with that one. I can just imagine the headlines on the fundraising mailers... LIBERALS ARE SPENDING YOUR TAX DOLLARS ON SEX CHANGES and those companies are usually the final arbiter of whether you can have a procedure done or not, as paying out of pocket for anything more than a check-up can literally bankrupt you. ...and bureaucrats very responsible people blessed by Big Bro would never pay for plumbing as if each pipe was made of gold. Therefore, free breakfast are the best! MRI uses superconductors. All liquid nitrogen is desperately needed for the ongoing War On Maxwell's Demons! You don't want Sahara to melt, do you? speak for yourself Teltus tumin Sahara Ben Safar |
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Post by freeman on Dec 27, 2013 1:36:14 GMT
Geographically close: Finland. Swedish and Norwegian have gendered pronouns, just as English, but Finnish only has on third person pronoun for people and in everyday speech even that is usually replaced by a pronoun originally reserved for inanimate objects, so we literally call our friends and family "se" -- "it" in English. Yeah, and then there's this tendency to use the "he/she" word with housepets. What a mess. I don't think the formal language is to change in any time soon though, like hundred years. Estonian is the worst: its word for "it" ("see") alse partially fills the roles of words "this" and "that". The Swedish pronoun system is like that of English except they don't get offended by "thou" and they don't have this "singular they" or similar phenomenon because they happily use "hon" (she) for unknown gender. |
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Post by Per on Dec 27, 2013 2:57:41 GMT
The Swedish pronoun system is like that of English except they don't get offended by "thou" and they don't have this "singular they" or similar phenomenon because they happily use "hon" (she) for unknown gender. Welp, I'm Swedish and I don't know if I agree with this description: 1) The Swedish pronoun system may be comparatively similar to the English one but not identical: we have two grammatical genders, one of which is divided into three semantic genders. 2) It's not clear to me what you're referring to when you say "thou". If you merely mean deferential use of plural, most now think it obsolete and awkward and some are absolutely offended by it. 3) We don't have singular they, but we do have a corresponding controversy, as evidenced by efforts in recent years to promote a new gender-neutral set of pronouns. 4) It's sometimes correct (as far as textbooks go) to use feminine declension for unspecified gender, but I doubt most people are even aware this is technically the case. Also, although some words for abstract or inanimate things are treated as feminine for historical reasons (as in English), there is absolutely no agreement to default to feminine gender across the board. |
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