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Post by Ophel on Dec 11, 2013 17:11:23 GMT
 Oh Annie... I can kinda understand how she feels. Felt a little pang there. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Dec 11, 2013 17:17:41 GMT
I think Annie is pretty good with relationships if you set aside the occasional un-subtleness and spontaneous combustion emotional outbursts. I mean.. she's the one who set Jack up 'just to get him back', and she did it well. Personally, I'd say that's a good example of Annie being petty and vindictive, which to me is the opposite of being good with people/relationships. |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Dec 11, 2013 18:15:46 GMT
I think Annie is pretty good with relationships if you set aside the occasional un-subtleness and spontaneous combustion emotional outbursts. I mean.. she's the one who set Jack up 'just to get him back', and she did it well. Personally, I'd say that's a good example of Annie being petty and vindictive, which to me is the opposite of being good with people/relationships. I am searching all over for the quote, but not finding it. I seem to recall at one time Tom saying that he wanted to write a story about an asocial girl (Annie). Not anti-social, but just lacking in social skills. Which makes sense with Antimony growing up at Good Hope, she would have no experience with friendships or peers. That is why she is so petty at times (Jack, lashing out at Renard) and socially clumsy (no real friends besides Kat). However, I think she has improved tremendously from the emotionless girl she was at the start of the comic. Today's page proves it. man i wish i could find that quote...
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Post by sabriel on Dec 11, 2013 18:21:28 GMT
On the subject of 'hate' being really strong here:
'Fought' is also kind of wrong. They didn't 'fight,' Kat just reprimanded her. You have to remember that Annie is 13/14. She's an itty bitty middle schooler! (Not sure what the UK equivalent is, sorry.) When you're in that phase of your life, EVERYTHING gets dialed up to the nines. It's especially bad if you're already carrying a lot of baggage. From the dialog here and Annie's thought that she displeased her father, it seems to me that Annie carries a lot more self-hatred than we realize, which is also common in middle schoolers, but especially common in middle schoolers with troubled home lives, or in this case, zero parents. It's easy for people with self-hatred, especially people at that age, to reflect that onto other people, and interpret even very brief disagreements or cold shoulders as The Beginning Of The End.
I would also like to point out that, the page after Kat yells at her, Annie is still very sad in the first couple panels. She obviously carried that with her for a while.
Someone also pointed out that she probably wasn't used to being yelled at. As someone who was very rarely yelled at as a kid (my mother just got deathly serious and my dad wasn't really involved in my childhood), I can testify that it's shocking when you're raised like that and then someone yells at you, even jokingly. Even being Caps Locked in IMs or texts at still takes me aback.
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I relate to Annie probably a lot more than I should.
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Post by Intelligence on Dec 11, 2013 19:47:00 GMT
Come now, Annie. You aren't being selfish at all!
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Post by King Mir on Dec 11, 2013 19:55:04 GMT
It's also more than likely that she is making that up. It's also odd that Rey's recent comment about Annie being 'traditional' hasn't come into play. Edit: Yet. Why should it? Renard was wrong in his guess of Annie's reaction. Maybe it'll be mentioned later, but right now there are more important things to talk about. |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 11, 2013 19:58:36 GMT
It's also more than likely that she is making that up. It's also odd that Rey's recent comment about Annie being 'traditional' hasn't come into play. Edit: Yet. Why should it? Renard was wrong in his guess of Annie's reaction. Maybe it'll be mentioned later, but right now there are more important things to talk about. Without further resolution, it feels like sloppy storytelling if it is just dropped here. Thus, it probably won't be. |
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Post by Purgatorius on Dec 11, 2013 20:01:22 GMT
Continued speculation:
Annie is worried about doing something that makes Kat hate her.
What if that thing is: expressing her true feelings about same-sex couples?
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Post by Shire on Dec 11, 2013 20:19:38 GMT
Why should it? Renard was wrong in his guess of Annie's reaction. Maybe it'll be mentioned later, but right now there are more important things to talk about. Without further resolution, it feels like sloppy storytelling if it is just dropped here. Thus, it probably won't be. NEW THEORY: Renard suggested that Annie was homophobic to divert suspicion from himself. He in fact has deeply-held homophobic attitudes, no doubt stemming from his failed romantic relationship with Ysengrin or/and Coyote. (Or/and Eglamore) Renard, you sly, foxy... fox, you. Slightly more on-topic: poor Annie. : ( |
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Post by polioman on Dec 11, 2013 20:30:15 GMT
I'm kind of disappointed with this page. It opens the door for Tom to have Kat say something like, "Our friendship will always be more important that anyone I'm dating", which would thematically wrap the whole thing up right there. Doing that would be boring, anticlimatic, too perfect, and too quick.
Bringing up Alistair here doesn't really make sense because the Alistair subplot wasn't a big deal at the time, was contained within its own chapter, and hasn't been brought up since. Annie and Kat did fight, but it was over with and done in the span of a few lines of dialogue. It wasn't a big deal and Annie bringing it up now is weird and too out of the blue.
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Post by Lightice on Dec 11, 2013 20:50:44 GMT
Bringing up Alistair here doesn't really make sense because the Alistair subplot wasn't a big deal at the time, was contained within its own chapter, and hasn't been brought up since. Annie and Kat did fight, but it was over with and done in the span of a few lines of dialogue. It wasn't a big deal and Annie bringing it up now is weird and too out of the blue. It shows that Annie's priorities aren't like other people's. To Kat (and us) it was a minor tiff that was over in a couple of hours at most. To Annie it was a terrifying experience that has come up in the back of her mind every time she's feeling insecure. She isn't a very social person and practically all her relationships with other human beings come through Kat. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that Kat is Annie's sole connection to the human world and even smallest thing gets blown out of proportion when it has to do with her, as far as Annie is concerned. Kat finds it wierd and out of the blue, too, if that comforts you at all. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Dec 11, 2013 20:55:26 GMT
even smallest thing gets blown out of proportion when it has to do with her, as far as Annie is concerned. Could you say that with Annie, the smallest things can carry the greatest weight? |
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Post by Purgatorius on Dec 11, 2013 20:55:54 GMT
I'm kind of disappointed with this page. It opens the door for Tom to have Kat say something like, "Our friendship will always be more important that anyone I'm dating", which would thematically wrap the whole thing up right there. Doing that would be boring, anticlimatic, too perfect, and too quick. Not to mention that Kat would be making promises about her future relationships, which I don't think she would be able to keep. I'm not an expert on couples-relationships (like dating, marriage, those things), but isn't the whole point that they are more important than friends? The single person's dilemma is that you may hold a friend as your most important person (or ' main babe', to use Kat's words), but if this person gets a boy-/girlfriend you can't expect the same from them. In fact, to be a true friend you need to respect, even expect, your friend to hold you on second place, at best. |
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Post by polioman on Dec 11, 2013 21:15:33 GMT
Bringing up Alistair here doesn't really make sense because the Alistair subplot wasn't a big deal at the time, was contained within its own chapter, and hasn't been brought up since. Annie and Kat did fight, but it was over with and done in the span of a few lines of dialogue. It wasn't a big deal and Annie bringing it up now is weird and too out of the blue. It shows that Annie's priorities aren't like other people's. To Kat (and us) it was a minor tiff that was over in a couple of hours at most. To Annie it was a terrifying experience that has come up in the back of her mind every time she's feeling insecure. She isn't a very social person and practically all her relationships with other human beings come through Kat. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that Kat is Annie's sole connection to the human world and even smallest thing gets blown out of proportion when it has to do with her, as far as Annie is concerned. Kat finds it wierd and out of the blue, too, if that comforts you at all. Ah fair enough. I like this explanation. We'll have to wait and see what her reaction to that is on Friday. Edit: intelligence why are you liking everything pls stop Edit 2: After mulling it over for a bit, I really like this explanation and very much hope that's where this is going. |
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Post by King Mir on Dec 11, 2013 21:30:50 GMT
Why should it? Renard was wrong in his guess of Annie's reaction. Maybe it'll be mentioned later, but right now there are more important things to talk about. Without further resolution, it feels like sloppy storytelling if it is just dropped here. Thus, it probably won't be. It may be mentioned, but it wouldn't be appropriate of Kat to bring it up just yet; to do so would show she isn't listening. The question of whether Annie is ultimately ok with Kat dating Paz will surely be resolved; it is being resolved. If Annie's ok with Paz and Kat dating, then she's not "traditional" and that counts as a resolution. I expect it will come up directly, but it doesn't need to, and might not. |
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Post by polioman on Dec 11, 2013 21:32:02 GMT
Without further resolution, it feels like sloppy storytelling if it is just dropped here. Thus, it probably won't be. It may be mentioned, but it wouldn't be appropriate of Kat to bring it up just yet; to do so would show she isn't listening. The question of whether Annie is ultimately ok with Kat dating Paz will surely be resolved; it is being resolved. If Annie's ok with Paz and Kat dating, then she's not "traditional" and that counts as a resolution. I expect it will come up directly, but it doesn't need to, and might not. That'd be a rubbish resolution. |
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Post by Intelligence on Dec 11, 2013 21:38:47 GMT
It shows that Annie's priorities aren't like other people's. To Kat (and us) it was a minor tiff that was over in a couple of hours at most. To Annie it was a terrifying experience that has come up in the back of her mind every time she's feeling insecure. She isn't a very social person and practically all her relationships with other human beings come through Kat. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that Kat is Annie's sole connection to the human world and even smallest thing gets blown out of proportion when it has to do with her, as far as Annie is concerned. Kat finds it wierd and out of the blue, too, if that comforts you at all. Ah fair enough. I like this explanation. We'll have to wait and see what her reaction to that is on Friday. Edit: intelligence why are you liking everything pls stop Why? Shouldn't people be HAPPY if someone likes their post??  |
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Post by polioman on Dec 11, 2013 21:40:46 GMT
Ah fair enough. I like this explanation. We'll have to wait and see what her reaction to that is on Friday. Edit: intelligence why are you liking everything pls stop Why? Shouldn't people be HAPPY if someone likes their post??  |
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Post by King Mir on Dec 11, 2013 21:42:26 GMT
It may be mentioned, but it wouldn't be appropriate of Kat to bring it up just yet; to do so would show she isn't listening. The question of whether Annie is ultimately ok with Kat dating Paz will surely be resolved; it is being resolved. If Annie's ok with Paz and Kat dating, then she's not "traditional" and that counts as a resolution. I expect it will come up directly, but it doesn't need to, and might not. That'd be a rubbish resolution. What's to resolve? It's already apparent that Annie has no problem with it. |
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 11, 2013 22:03:30 GMT
Without further resolution, it feels like sloppy storytelling if it is just dropped here. Thus, it probably won't be. Well, Annie being a homophobe isn't the only resolution for the plot thread raised by Rey's little speech, just the most obvious resolution. Maybe Tom just included that as a red herring. Maybe Rey's assessment tells us more about Rey than it does about Annie. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 11, 2013 22:03:58 GMT
Ah fair enough. I like this explanation. We'll have to wait and see what her reaction to that is on Friday. Edit: intelligence why are you liking everything pls stop Why? Shouldn't people be HAPPY if someone likes their post?? It kind of loses its positive meaning when you click like to every single post, because it becomes indifferent in that sense. Instead, the number of notifications that we get to our accounts for those now meaningless likings soon becomes rather annoying. |
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Post by Intelligence on Dec 11, 2013 22:07:56 GMT
Why? Shouldn't people be HAPPY if someone likes their post?? It kind of loses its positive meaning when you click like to every single post, because it becomes indifferent in that sense. Instead, the number of notifications that we get to our accounts for those now meaningless likings soon becomes rather annoying. Ah, sorry. Thanks for explaining. |
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Post by polioman on Dec 11, 2013 22:14:54 GMT
That'd be a rubbish resolution. What's to resolve? It's already apparent that Annie has no problem with it. Oh actually yeah, that works as resolution to the issue of Annie being/not being homophobic. I wasn't reading what I was replying to carefully enough. There needs to be a lot more complete resolution to Annie feeling alone/abandoned/like Kat's relationships will drive a wedge in between them. |
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Post by crater on Dec 11, 2013 22:28:20 GMT
It kind of loses its positive meaning when you click like to every single post, because it becomes indifferent in that sense. Instead, the number of notifications that we get to our accounts for those now meaningless likings soon becomes rather annoying. Ah, sorry. Thanks for explaining. don't listen to him my life is a hollow shell without you constantly liking my posts |
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Post by Intelligence on Dec 11, 2013 22:29:38 GMT
Ah, sorry. Thanks for explaining. don't listen to him my life is a hollow shell without you constantly liking my posts O_oI can't tell if you're joking or not. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 11, 2013 22:46:24 GMT
It kind of loses its positive meaning when you click like to every single post, because it becomes indifferent in that sense. Instead, the number of notifications that we get to our accounts for those now meaningless likings soon becomes rather annoying. Ah, sorry. Thanks for explaining. My pleasure  |
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Post by Covalent on Dec 11, 2013 23:35:56 GMT
...who's Alistair again? I really should re-read. xD
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Post by polioman on Dec 11, 2013 23:48:45 GMT
...who's Alistair again? I really should re-read. xD Chapter 13, A Week for Kat.  |
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Post by Covalent on Dec 11, 2013 23:52:24 GMT
...who's Alistair again? I really should re-read. xD Chapter 13, A Week for Kat. Oh yeah, bird dude! I remember him. Thanks for jogging my memory. I don't know why I thought it was the minotaur at first. o.O |
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Post by Señor Goose on Dec 11, 2013 23:54:45 GMT
...who's Alistair again? I really should re-read. xD Chapter 13, A Week for Kat.  Did you make that? |
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Oh Annie... 
