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Post by snipertom on Dec 11, 2013 9:23:05 GMT
Gotolei thedoctor stef1987 at the start of the chapter when she leaves the Donlans she is already frowning before she sees Jack. Jack mentions her mother, interestingly, and says his dad thought she was 'really nice' (interestingly, cf. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=540). After the awkward Jack thing, where he kind of awkwardly maybe hits on her (as it turns out because he thinks that's what he should do), she's frowning even more. By the time she gets to Rey she's in a pretty foul mood. And of course what comes up is the topic at the start of the chapter...
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Post by ty on Dec 11, 2013 9:23:07 GMT
You guys are funny, Alistair is not the focus of this page.
Elysium: Annie is lying.
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Post by King Mir on Dec 11, 2013 9:28:43 GMT
Depends on how you mean the word "pick up"... SORRY! I agree, though; I think Annie is making a WAY bigger deal about that fight than she needs to. Also, LOVE Kat's pose in panel 5! It looks SO awkward, but I've DONE that before! For whatever reason, it stung at the time. ( see last panel) It's said that when we see other people in detail, but ourselves abstractly. So to create the most empathy for a character, it can be more effective to draw their face as just an emotion. |
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Post by snipertom on Dec 11, 2013 9:32:06 GMT
I wonder if Annie knows that Surma and Eggers were an item? I assume she must do, due to Coyote's comment, but I wonder when she found out?
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Post by King Mir on Dec 11, 2013 9:33:45 GMT
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Post by snipertom on Dec 11, 2013 9:39:39 GMT
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Post by Gulby on Dec 11, 2013 9:43:37 GMT
I interpreted it as Antimony being upset because her mother wasn't as nice as she always thought. She tricked Reynardine. In the meanest way possible, while playing with his emotions. But when Antimony is with the others, she don't show her angry face, that happens only when she's alone (with us, readers). So everytime she meets another person, her face goes back to the neutral blank face. Accumulating angry. Until the episode with Rey and the final explosion.
Edit : I should always refresh the page before answering. Sorry for the repeat.
And Toloc, I believe you can "unlike" it by reclicking on the same button. :3
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 11, 2013 9:50:47 GMT
Isn't copying your best friend's homework when your best friend's parents are your teachers a kinda obviously bad idea? Annie isn't obviously the smartest or subtlest person around. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 11, 2013 9:58:44 GMT
Gotolei thedoctor stef1987 at the start of the chapter when she leaves the Donlans she is already frowning before she sees Jack. Jack mentions her mother, interestingly, and says his dad thought she was 'really nice' (interestingly, cf. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=540). After the awkward Jack thing, where he kind of awkwardly maybe hits on her (as it turns out because he thinks that's what he should do), she's frowning even more. By the time she gets to Rey she's in a pretty foul mood. And of course what comes up is the topic at the start of the chapter... By the way, it seems just like she actually was first time upset about Anja's command not to tell Renard. Like she felt that they are unfair to Rey. So, she might have always been going to leak that information half because she thought Rey should know, but ended up doing it so that she just angrily throws it on his face as an insult. |
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Post by thshrkpnchr on Dec 11, 2013 9:59:50 GMT
Aw I miss Paz. What's she doing now?
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Post by polioman on Dec 11, 2013 10:01:53 GMT
You guys are funny, Alistair is not the focus of this page. Elysium: Annie is lying. Elaborate? |
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Post by thshrkpnchr on Dec 11, 2013 10:10:55 GMT
You guys are funny, Alistair is not the focus of this page. Elysium: Annie is lying. Elaborate? confirms it. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 11, 2013 10:15:58 GMT
You guys are funny, Alistair is not the focus of this page. Seen that after a little joking about Annie lifting Paz like she did to Aly the discussion has not concerned Aly the smallest extent, your comment comes out a bit strange. That said, I don't know if people think Aly is the focus of this page. But if they do, they are talking surprisingly little about it. Then again, neither is Annie copying Kat's homework. Maybe we should get the thread back to rails. So, this is even only half about Paz really. This is much more about Annie realizing that she and Kat are pulled to different directions, they are distancing from each other. And, she fears that Kat will hate her at some point. She says it by referring to Aly, which caused a little bit of a fight, but surely Annie knew Kat didn't hate her for that. More important is that she used the word hate, because that doesn't refer to Aly-events, but to the future she can envision, where she has driven Kat to actually hate her. Of course, I read this in line with our prophecy and this fits perfectly with Annie binding and eventually chopping Kat's arm (which might be a part of prophecy that only I support). |
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Post by thshrkpnchr on Dec 11, 2013 10:23:29 GMT
I always thought that Annie's afraid of Paz driving her friend away, but now... she's afraid of herself pushing Kat away? And zimmyzims, now when I think of the prophecy, I think of Kat's hand getting chopped off... I guess my mind is very susceptible to gory stuff  |
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Post by thedoctor on Dec 11, 2013 10:44:02 GMT
Gotolei thedoctor stef1987 at the start of the chapter when she leaves the Donlans she is already frowning before she sees Jack. Jack mentions her mother, interestingly, and says his dad thought she was 'really nice' (interestingly, cf. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=540). After the awkward Jack thing, where he kind of awkwardly maybe hits on her (as it turns out because he thinks that's what he should do), she's frowning even more. By the time she gets to Rey she's in a pretty foul mood. And of course what comes up is the topic at the start of the chapter... This...was actually kind of my point...Are you seeing a disagreement somewhere, or agreeing with me (us)? I saw the "foul mood" as compounded by guilt, but the instigating factor was the issue of who her mother really was. Incidentally, you may have meant to imply this, but I'm not sure; Jack saying that her mother was "really nice" must have highlighted and emphasized the cognitive dissonance between who she thought her mother was and who Mrs. Donlan was telling her she was. Talk about uncomfortable! |
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 11, 2013 10:47:02 GMT
I always thought that Annie's afraid of Paz driving her friend away, but now... she's afraid of herself pushing Kat away? And zimmyzims, now when I think of the prophecy, I think of Kat's hand getting chopped off... I guess my mind is very susceptible to gory stuff I'm sorry. I'm not sure if this makes you feel any better, but pretty much everybody's mind is susceptible to gory stuff. That's totally normal. You're not weird.  |
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Post by thedoctor on Dec 11, 2013 10:49:41 GMT
More on-topic thought; the tension in this scene feels like it got dialed down A LOT. I think the exact sort of concern that Annie has is interesting. She's not afraid that Kat will leave her; she's afraid that she will push Kat away... Given how she thinks about her relationship with her father ( perhaps I did something to displease him), and the fact that she, in some terrible and unfortunate sense, killed her mother, she may feel that she always drives away those she loves. This page is a bit less intense, but perhaps more sad. |
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Post by snipertom on Dec 11, 2013 11:38:13 GMT
Are you seeing a disagreement somewhere, or agreeing with me (us)? I leave this as an exercise to the reader |
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Post by meltea on Dec 11, 2013 11:48:47 GMT
I can't believe I forgot about the copying thing. I think it's time for a re-read.
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Post by crater on Dec 11, 2013 13:06:53 GMT
ugh another sad page.
On one hand, Ann is just being crazy as hell and needs some serious therapy. "it's not your fault, it's not your fault"
But on the other hand, Ann is completely right about herself and her uhhh periodically caustic behavior.
plz Kat know what to say
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whats the big deal about copying Kat's work anyways? Ann isn't a scientist, or a math person. Her life expectancy is in the mid 30s. She shouldn't waste her time doing stuff she doesn't need to know
also
WHAT KIND OF POSE IS KAT MAKING IN PANEL 5 WOAHHHH
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Post by nightwind on Dec 11, 2013 13:35:35 GMT
The word 'hate': Annie had some time sitting there and thinking about her mistakes. The fight because how she treated Alistair may have been the first, but I'm sure she also thought about when she ran off to the forest. Kat wasn't even angry, she was hurt, but Annies guilt plays a part here too. Maybe she harbored the fears she is speaking of now for some time. Imagining a possible future based on that exaggerates things further. Thus hate. My 2 cents. |
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Post by fronzel on Dec 11, 2013 14:23:54 GMT
Well, OK. Next page is Kat saying "I could never hate you". A bit predictable. I honestly paused for a second to remember who he was. Actually so did Kat  I think you're misinterpreting Kat's response. I think she's stuttering because Annie suddenly brought up a tender subject. Not that Kat doesn't want to think about Alistair, but that it's an intense memory. In fact, I find it extremely weird that Annie asks if Kat remembers him. Combine that with Annie thinking Kat is capable of hating her so easily, and apparently not considering the secret homework cheating to be an issue and this whole thing makes Annie look rather foolish with a poor comprehension of her friendship with Kat. This is totally in-character and a much more interesting direction it could go in than Kat just hugging Annie and telling her everything will be OK. |
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 11, 2013 14:59:27 GMT
Perhaps, Annie is being more self-centered than many think. This could have little to do with Kat and the past, and more to do with how Annie sees herself. This page could be a long-winded way of saying, "Kat, I'm just crap with relationships of any kind. You're about to figure it all out, and hate me for not being who you thought." If she's been sitting there thinking that, she may be criticizing herself for not thinking more about Kat and Paz, instead of just herself. Thus, perpetuating a self-loathing cycle. (The worst type of cycles. No bells or baskets, and a crappy seat.)
This could have much more to do with Annie and Annie, than Kat and Paz.
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Post by hargharg on Dec 11, 2013 15:43:47 GMT
I can't believe I forgot about the copying thing. I think it's time for a re-read. It's always a good time for a re-read. : ) (Well, every 6-9 months or so.) |
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Post by fwip on Dec 11, 2013 15:45:15 GMT
We don't know for sure that she's still copying homework since AitF. It's possible that this is referring to the past. I admit it's unlikely, but one can hope. |
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Post by jasmijn on Dec 11, 2013 15:56:34 GMT
It's said that when we see other people in detail, but ourselves abstractly. So to create the most empathy for a character, it can be more effective to draw their face as just an emotion. That could be it, but I think it's due to a combination of two things: 1. Abstract drawings are more general: you can see seven million people in something as simple as "  ", but the Mona Lisa only looks like 1 person. 2. Abstract is harder to fuck up than a more realistic style (see: uncanny valley). |
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Post by thshrkpnchr on Dec 11, 2013 16:13:09 GMT
Perhaps, Annie is being more self-centered than many think. This could have little to do with Kat and the past, and more to do with how Annie sees herself. This page could be a long-winded way of saying, "Kat, I'm just crap with relationships of any kind. You're about to figure it all out, and hate me for not being who you thought." If she's been sitting there thinking that, she may be criticizing herself for not thinking more about Kat and Paz, instead of just herself. Thus, perpetuating a self-loathing cycle. (The worst type of cycles. No bells or baskets, and a crappy seat.) This could have much more to do with Annie and Annie, than Kat and Paz. I think Annie is pretty good with relationships if you set aside the occasional un-subtleness and spontaneous combustion emotional outbursts. I mean.. she's the one who set Jack up 'just to get him back', and she did it well. For the self-loathing, I figured that she might find herself to be the reason people close to her get driven away, and it's sad when her main babe is one of them. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Dec 11, 2013 17:00:19 GMT
Considering that Annie's mom was sick, and probably didn't raise her voice at Annie much...
And considering how poorly Anthony shows his emotion...
It's entirely possible that Annie hasn't been yelled at much. If, when her father was angry, he just got quiet and distant, how upset must Kat have been to actually yell?
So much emotion on this page. I know Annie's the focus, but I really feel for Kat in panel 5. Heart-wrenching.
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 11, 2013 17:05:38 GMT
It's also more than likely that she is making that up. It's also odd that Rey's recent comment about Annie being 'traditional' hasn't come into play. Edit: Yet. |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Dec 11, 2013 17:07:17 GMT
I love this page. I think it is great how open and honest Annie is trying to be. She has screwed up more than once in the past and hurt Kat (or at least made her mad/upset), and she knows it. More importantly, she is owning up to it and wants to talk it out with Kat. Like others have said, "Hate" is a strong word here. But Annie has genuine reason for her fears. From Kat's own words "Sometimes... you kinda make it hard to be your friend." Annie hasn't forgotten that. I think that has been her secret fear of losing the one person she has left. |
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", but the Mona Lisa only looks like 1 person.
