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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 21:07:49 GMT
Protein crystals, anti-grav tech, and manly eyebrows aren't hot social issues. Being gay is. You seriously don't hear Tom's voice coming out in Rey in these last two pages? it doesn't sound like preaching as much as it sounds like really to-the-point and a detailed explanation as to why the court is the court, as if a narrator told you it to make you understand the setting. The point and purpose of the page is for Rey to convince Kat that being is okay. He just comments on the Court's nature to explain that it isn't a bad place to be gay. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 29, 2013 21:11:40 GMT
And on monday we'll find out that Annie is actually a catholic christian conservative who will now become superevangelical about her beliefs... Obviously kidding, but imagine if... Would Annie be Catholic or Anglican? |
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 29, 2013 21:14:31 GMT
And on monday we'll find out that Annie is actually a catholic christian conservative who will now become superevangelical about her beliefs... Obviously kidding, but imagine if... Would Annie be Catholic or Anglican? Anglican. The original church of England, as they never cease to remind anyone who will listen. I used to go to an Episcopal church as a child. They were pretty chill as Christians went. |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Nov 29, 2013 21:15:15 GMT
it doesn't sound like preaching as much as it sounds like really to-the-point and a detailed explanation as to why the court is the court, as if a narrator told you it to make you understand the setting. The point and purpose of the page is for Rey to convince Kat that being is okay. He just comments on the Court's nature to explain that it isn't a bad place to be gay. I still feel it feels narrator'ish but it fits his image, being the father and also being a wise fox from outside the court. And on monday we'll find out that Annie is actually a catholic christian conservative who will now become superevangelical about her beliefs... Obviously kidding, but imagine if... Would Annie be Catholic or Anglican? It says Catholic right there... xD |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 29, 2013 21:24:58 GMT
Would Annie be Catholic or Anglican? It says Catholic right there... xD But she's English. It's a hell of a lot more likely for her to be Anglican. They hate Catholics there! |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 29, 2013 21:25:43 GMT
I can see the dialogue going in that direction, but it doesn't change the fact that what's in this page is plain hamfisted. Personally, my thoughts are really that that is just how Rey talks when he's being serious. His style of conversation tends to the bold, semi-philosophical and somewhat dramatic. Also, I don't even think he's correct. I think he's just assuming what Annie is thinking based on how *he* might think if he were in her shoes. Due to either a somewhat simplistic understanding of humans (he is a fox-god, and an outsider), or perhaps due to having previously had his own prejudices. Though, given that the animal kingdom is full of same-sex humping without any qualms attached it's hard to imagine that Rey would really find it that odd. Plus, believe me, I've heard pretty much every cheesy-ass thing under the sun when it came to me telling people I like ladies. Even now people say stuff that sounds like it's from an after-school-special Your post made me rethink what I wrote earlier... "After-school special" was maybe ill-chosen. Renard gets what he thinks he knows about human history and society from big fat books. That explains the zoom in panel 2. So he and Kat have books in common, though Kat does not have the passion Renard has for the leather-bound dead tree. Kat also has the printout and the compy. Also their tastes are polar opposite. Not sure if he's thought this through but so far he's kind of prepping Kat to act like a heroine from a thick work on the dignity of man with Antimony wearing a "traditional" black mustache and top hat. We just need Antimony to enter stage L and act like a jerk on cue. Hopefully he'll continue with other stuff next update but if not that's fine. The bigger the blowup the faster I think they'll get over it. They can both take it out on him later. |
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Post by snipertom on Nov 29, 2013 21:33:31 GMT
It says Catholic right there... xD But she's English. It's a hell of a lot more likely for her to be Anglican. They hate Catholics there! Not anymore. Plenty of Catholics in the UK- partially because immigration, especially from the Commonwealth & EU. Ireland is right next door remember  |
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Post by snipertom on Nov 29, 2013 21:36:53 GMT
I'm very happy that the troll got banned. Regarding the dialogue, I think chaosvii made the most salient point- that Rey feels humans are judgemental jerks because he himself has been heavily discriminated against (on a side note, no human murderer would have been kept in the awful conditions that he was, for example, though the length of imprisonment would perhaps have been longer depending on the country). And if you look to the animal world, same-sex behaviour is not discriminated against by animals, it just happens and no cat/dog/fox/sheep/cow/rabbit/lizard/seagull/pigeon/octopus bats an eyelid (if they have eyelids), whereas in the human world there are actual societal/legal structures in place designed to prevent the inevitable from happening. Rey may even be making a comment about homophobia *because* he is an animal and sees that this particular prejudice is a very human characteristic. By the way hypetrain firstly you aren't using quotes correctly- please preserve who said what rather than just putting things within [quote][/quote]. Secondly please read your posts before you post because honestly they are verging on incoherent at the moment, especially with that last post with the image of the guy with the ECG dots- my personal reaction to that is "wtf". Thirdly you are getting awfully close to trolling. You haven't really made much of an actual argument there so much as just saying an opinion. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 29, 2013 21:40:46 GMT
But she's English. It's a hell of a lot more likely for her to be Anglican. They hate Catholics there! Not anymore. Plenty of Catholics in the UK- partially because immigration, especially from the Commonwealth & EU. Ireland is right next door remember Fair enough, though being next door to someone doesn't automatically mean you like them. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Nov 29, 2013 21:42:16 GMT
it doesn't sound like preaching as much as it sounds like really to-the-point and a detailed explanation as to why the court is the court, as if a narrator told you it to make you understand the setting. The point and purpose of the page is for Rey to convince Kat that being is okay. He just comments on the Court's nature to explain that it isn't a bad place to be gay. Gee... come on, this is the one and only time Rey has been able to relate to Kat somehow, and understand her. See, for once they are interested in same thing: women. Totally goes well by the story line, didn't expect anything else. Especially as "the ladies expert" had already noticed this tendency times before. |
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Post by bykerhill on Nov 29, 2013 21:46:48 GMT
Not sure if he's thought this through but so far he's kind of prepping Kat to act like a heroine from a thick work on the dignity of man with Antimony wearing a "traditional" black mustache and top hat. We just need Antimony to enter stage L and act like a jerk on cue. Hopefully he'll continue with other stuff next update but if not that's fine. The bigger the blowup the faster I think they'll get over it. They can both take it out on him later. Antimony in this comic has a long and not-so-glorious history of being sort of a cruel, vicious jerk to people she loves when they take her offguard emotionally. Especially when love is involved. See: Mort, Renard. It's one of the reasons I like the comic and think Tom's characters are often deep; he isn't afraid to give his basically likeable characters real personality flaws and have them act in ways that make us a little bit ashamed of them. So it wouldn't surprise me if an ugly incident is in the offing. The bright side is that when the shock wears off she usually feels badly about it. |
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Post by Covalent on Nov 29, 2013 21:54:50 GMT
This might seem like a stupid question, but do we really know the Court is in the UK? I mean, for all we know it really could be in some other odd region of the world.
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 29, 2013 21:59:26 GMT
This might seem like a stupid question, but do we really know the Court is in the UK? I mean, for all we know it really could be in some other odd region of the world. It's pretty heavily implied: "Antimony is the protagonist of the story. As with most schools in the UK, Gunnerkrigg Court requires all students to wear a uniform." From the second page. |
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Post by Covalent on Nov 29, 2013 22:01:46 GMT
Wow. I really dropped the ball on that one.
*hangs head in shame*
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Post by chaosvii on Nov 29, 2013 22:07:08 GMT
Ah, so a subjective experience that informs your opinion of what the author thinks and intends to say. Was Kat's opinions regarding protein crystals being far more important than anti-grav technology "in your face"? Was George's whole deal with her heart & Smitface's manly eyebrows "in your face"? Was Antimony's narration about how much she values her friendship with Kat more than she is homesick after Kat's vacation with her parents "in your face"? Was the whole story about how Antimony internalized knowing that her mother wants her to be safe and was thus able to be brave in the face of scary ghosts burning nearly to death (then later succumbing to his burns) "in your face"? Because these sorts of things come off as simple life lessons that young people go through, which serves to highlight the characterization of those young fictional individuals. I know I'm being petty, but really the only thing I take any issue with is that you call this story preaching and cite weak evidence for your claim as opposed to saying that it comes off as preachy. Doesn't make my passive-aggressiveness any better, sure, but I too am not a fan of people saying things that don't jive with how I would like them to say it, even when I agree with the jist of it. Protein crystals, anti-grav tech, and manly eyebrows aren't hot social issues. Being gay is. You seriously don't hear Tom's voice coming out in Rey in these last two pages? Ah so that's what makes this preaching! Whether or not the present cultural context treats the matter as a source of conflict and therefore may cause the author to have such strong feelings about it that said author uses their characters as a mouthpiece to express the author's exact views in a way that not consistent with their characterization! Excepting that last part, I agree with you. And because of that last part, I don't hear Tom's voice coming out of Rey any more than I hear Tom's voice coming out of the Minotaur that was misunderstood, Annie who values friendship, Gamma of whom hates the UK's Birmingham (no word yet on whether or not she hates Alabama too), or Kat who loves science & pigeons, as well as understands that she likes smooching ladies, despite all of these characters having any number of probable and/or definite similarities with the author. It's the beauty of subjectivity that allows me to think of the author as capable of separating themselves from their characters, and allows you to say that you are dissatisfied with the author (as well as probably imply that he's being a jerk to you by insulting your intelligence or some such) because you don't see things that way. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 29, 2013 22:07:20 GMT
Wow. I really dropped the ball on that one. *hangs head in shame* There there. |
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Post by hypetrain on Nov 29, 2013 22:10:33 GMT
By the way hypetrain firstly you aren't using quotes correctly- please preserve who said what rather than just putting things within [quote][/quote]. Secondly please read your posts before you post because honestly they are verging on incoherent at the moment, especially with that last post with the image of the guy with the ECG dots- my personal reaction to that is "wtf". Thirdly you are getting awfully close to trolling. You haven't really made much of an actual argument there so much as just saying an opinion. I've been perfectly clear on what my argument has been all along and the reasons for holding that position, since your reading comprehension is lacking I'll break things down for you: 1282 contains much bad writing, the most notable example being Rey attempting to support his point by using language which is demonstrably untrue; "a voice will never be silenced when it has something to say" Never is a pretty strong word, for this statement to be shown as being false all it takes is a single example of a person who had much yet to say but died before getting the chance. Alexander Litvinenko (the man in the picture) is such an example. For a more concrete example, imagine all the things you yourself have yet to speak up about and how your input on those topics would be lost forever if you suddenly died. While I may agree with the underlying sentiment it makes the whole episode come off as being extremely preachy when a character uses such poor argumentative technique. |
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Post by snipertom on Nov 29, 2013 22:37:57 GMT
By the way hypetrain firstly you aren't using quotes correctly- please preserve who said what rather than just putting things within [quote][/quote]. Secondly please read your posts before you post because honestly they are verging on incoherent at the moment, especially with that last post with the image of the guy with the ECG dots- my personal reaction to that is "wtf". Thirdly you are getting awfully close to trolling. You haven't really made much of an actual argument there so much as just saying an opinion. I've been perfectly clear on what my argument has been all along and the reasons for holding that position, since your reading comprehension is lacking I'll break things down for you: 1282 contains much bad writing, the most notable example being Rey attempting to support his point by using language which is demonstrably untrue; "a voice will never be silenced when it has something to say" Never is a pretty strong word, for this statement to be shown as being false all it takes is a single example of a person who had much yet to say but died before getting the chance. Alexander Litvinenko (the man in the picture) is such an example. For a more concrete example, imagine all the things you yourself have yet to speak up about and how your input on those topics would be lost forever if you suddenly died. While I may agree with the underlying sentiment it makes the whole episode come off as being extremely preachy when a character uses such poor argumentative technique. OK, so basically you are being rude and patronising, and once again you are just stating the same thing again. Let me break this down for you for your reading comprehension and writing capability since they are lacking: - You have (at least until the post I've just quoted) been repeating "this is bad writing because what Rey is saying is strongly worded/arguments aren't true", "Tom is preaching" etc without addressing the criticisms of your view such as that Rey often talks like that anyway, Rey has been discriminated against by humans, you clearly didn't have an issue with other instances where a character has out-and-out professed their support for a particular point of view, and that normalisation of 'social deviance' is perhaps something that is more subtly conveyed through the way the overall story has been told- eg in characters' perceptions of Zimmy and Gamma or Robot and Shadow. - Not all of us would recognise Litvinenko, especially with no context or caption. I'm a doctor. What do I see? A patient. This seems irrelevant to me until you explain it. It's a big leap from putting a picture of Litvinenko to a specific criticism of Tom's writing. (Plus Litvinenko himself may have been 'silenced' by being killed but his words and messages have not. They're still out there.) - Saying "kill yourself" on a forum is just plain offensive. I get that maybe you were trying to say "if you die, then your voice is literally silenced", but that wording, ugh. That is what I'm saying about proofreading your posts. You need to think about how other people might read them. We do not exist in your head, and we cannot mind read. Clearly you can communicate quite well when you put the effort in. Please continue to put the effort in. |
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Post by chaosvii on Nov 29, 2013 22:42:08 GMT
Normalization of deviance is just a precise wording for "shit gets less weird over time yo" so people can talk about the processes by which for example dressing in nothing but underwear* went from being scandalous to acceptable, without getting caught up in definitions. Or if you want a more on-topic example, the changes in societal views which today allows Rupaul to be a successful recording artist while being a molly three centuries ago was a capital offence. I was expecting Rey to carry on from what he said on the previous page with something to the effect of "a lot of shit people do isn't normal, don't sweat it", instead we get "a voice will never be silenced when it has something to say" which is demonstrably untrue. (*t-shirts) See, I don't see sufficient reason to conclude that Rey will not later mention something to the extent of "fuck the idea of normal before you proceed, it's pretty subjective based on where you are and what you experience!" given that this conversation is not yet terminated. And furthermore, I feel that the story that Tom produces in general normalizes (without ignoring the fact that it can be dangerous) crazy shit like etheric beings, as well as places an emphasis on both the reasons for and the consequences of being demonized. There's also the matter that Rey is kinda big on humans being as damned as Mark Twain says they are, so I feel that these words are consistent with Rey being a resident human expert. I read what happened in this scene as Rey saying "The Court may view this as normal, while Annie might not. It doesn't matter if you are normal, nor if you think you are normal, what matters is whether or not you are treated with cruelty and if you are able to summon up the courage to stand up for yourself. If you stand up for yourself, you will be less miserable than if you didn't." Now obviously Rey can be mistaken about that, he's a magical fox god thing that likes reading books much more than being a social worker that sees all kinds of kids getting driven to suicide or being murdered for their beliefs or whatever atrocities that have and still do clearly serve as counter-examples to his pathos-focused absolutist claims. But he's not aiming to be correct, he's not producing an airtight argument, he's telling a scared girl that her life isn't over even though it might feel that it is, and that he supports her, and that he believes that the progress of human history will support her. It's rhetoric supported by facts and opinions, not science supported by facts and lots of verification of said facts. |
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Post by guyy on Nov 29, 2013 22:44:28 GMT
Not sure if he's thought this through but so far he's kind of prepping Kat to act like a heroine from a thick work on the dignity of man with Antimony wearing a "traditional" black mustache and top hat. We just need Antimony to enter stage L and act like a jerk on cue. Hopefully he'll continue with other stuff next update but if not that's fine. The bigger the blowup the faster I think they'll get over it. They can both take it out on him later. Antimony in this comic has a long and not-so-glorious history of being sort of a cruel, vicious jerk to people she loves when they take her offguard emotionally. Especially when love is involved. See: Mort, Renard. It's one of the reasons I like the comic and think Tom's characters are often deep; he isn't afraid to give his basically likeable characters real personality flaws and have them act in ways that make us a little bit ashamed of them. So it wouldn't surprise me if an ugly incident is in the offing. The bright side is that when the shock wears off she usually feels badly about it. On the one hand, Annie's been exposed to enough weird relationships - Eglamore and an immortal cosmic entity, Kat and bird-boy, Jeanne and green elf man, Shadow and Robot (arguably), horrific reality warper and her telepathic power suppressor (also a gay relationship) - that you'd think this wouldn't faze her. On the other hand... well, just look at some of the negative reader reactions to all this. The one time she's actually talked about this sort of thing, she switched to a formal, hesitant mode of speaking, as if she's not sure what she thinks of it (her nightmarish experiences in Zimmy's mindscape probably don't help matters). Her avoiding Kat makes it pretty clear she's not Totally Fine With This Situation. Aaaaand now I need to set up something to image-block hypetrain's avatar because, seriously, what the hell. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 29, 2013 22:46:54 GMT
Antimony in this comic has a long and not-so-glorious history of being sort of a cruel, vicious jerk to people she loves when they take her offguard emotionally. Especially when love is involved. See: Mort, Renard. It's one of the reasons I like the comic and think Tom's characters are often deep; he isn't afraid to give his basically likeable characters real personality flaws and have them act in ways that make us a little bit ashamed of them. So it wouldn't surprise me if an ugly incident is in the offing. The bright side is that when the shock wears off she usually feels badly about it. Yeah, Antimony will feel bad later. There are a number of ways this drama could play out and I figure there will be a plot-twist somewhere (though Antimony acting like a jerk sooner or later is pretty much a given) and the incident will probably be petty and small and ugly, taking place in some hidden corner of the Court.. but you're forgetting the possibility that the incident could be BEAUTIFUL and GLORIOUS. Say it happens in the lunch hall at high noon, one girl calls the other out. It goes something like this: Someone tells someone to "deal with it." Someone calls someone a traitor because she was sneaking around the back of her supposed bff. It escalates to a shouting match. Someone gets publicly outed by her bff and the other drops the word, "homophobe." The "homophobe" retaliates with "traitor" and "traitor" retaliates with thrown food; a foodfight commences while a shocked student body looks on. Robots arrive to contain the situation but the presence of their "angel" complicates matters; some eyewitness-model footage of that girl-girl snog is projected on a wall to cause feelings of love but it somehow creates an opposite effect in the current situation. Embarrassed Paz is embarrassed, she spurns both girls with expletives in Spanish, flees scene. Angel begins flinging meal trays and chairs at robots and food-covered "Homophobe" causing minor faceblood (hers this time). Jean Gray mode activated. "Homophobe" begins shooting sparks and blasting holes in walls and the ceiling. Sprinkler systems activate. >>Robots build lunch table fort to protect Angel. Meanwhile, on a distant rooftop, a White Wolf (WW?) sees the smoke and fire and guesses the source. Crash through window (heroic entrance) foiled by soup waiter robot; Janet and Winsbury now covered in soup. Yadda yadda yadda, the headmaster says it is best if Antimony transfers to Chester for a while. |
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Post by chaosvii on Nov 29, 2013 22:54:46 GMT
Antimony in this comic has a long and not-so-glorious history of being sort of a cruel, vicious jerk to people she loves when they take her offguard emotionally. Especially when love is involved. See: Mort, Renard. It's one of the reasons I like the comic and think Tom's characters are often deep; he isn't afraid to give his basically likeable characters real personality flaws and have them act in ways that make us a little bit ashamed of them. So it wouldn't surprise me if an ugly incident is in the offing. The bright side is that when the shock wears off she usually feels badly about it. Yeah, Antimony will feel bad later. There are a number of ways this drama could play out and I figure there will be a plot-twist somewhere (though Antimony acting like a jerk sooner or later is pretty much a given) and the incident will probably be petty and small and ugly, taking place in some hidden corner of the Court.. but you're forgetting the possibility that the incident could be BEAUTIFUL and GLORIOUS. Say it happens in the lunch hall at high noon, one girl calls the other out. It goes something like this: Someone tells someone to "deal with it." Someone calls someone a traitor because she was sneaking around the back of her supposed bff. It escalates to a shouting match. Someone gets publicly outed by her bff and the other drops the word, "homophobe." The "homophobe" retaliates with "traitor" and "traitor" retaliates with thrown food; a foodfight commences while a shocked student body looks on. Robots arrive to contain the situation but the presence of their "angel" complicates matters; some eyewitness-model footage of that girl-girl snog is projected on a wall to cause feelings of love but it somehow creates an opposite effect in the current situation. Embarrassed Paz is embarrassed, she spurns both girls with explatives in Spanish, flees scene. Angel begins flinging meal trays and chairs at robots and food-covered "Homophobe" causing minor faceblood (hers this time). Jean Gray mode activated. "Homophobe" begins shooting sparks and blasting holes in walls and the ceiling. Sprinkler systems activate. >>Robots build lunch table fort to protect Angel. Meanwhile, on a distant rooftop, a White Wolf (WW?) sees the smoke and fire and guesses the source. Crash through window (heroic entrance) foiled by soup waiter robot; Janet and Winsbury now covered in soup. Yadda yadda yadda, the headmaster says it is best if Antimony transfers to Chester for a while. Man it's like I'm reading the story-boarded plot to X-Men: Back To School already! Fund it! |
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Post by takesailorhunt on Nov 29, 2013 23:15:55 GMT
Why do people always say "Humans fear what they don't understand" like it's a bad thing. That ticks me off, it's a perfectly good survival mechanism. You know what humans don't understand? **********ing jaguars! And you should be afraid. But humans do know something about jaguars! They know that jaguars are carnivores and are fast, strong, and vicious enough to kill/eat a human. |
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 30, 2013 0:33:14 GMT
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Post by warrl on Nov 30, 2013 1:49:09 GMT
Reynardine seems to be assuming pretty hard that Antimony is a jaded, intolerant individual. I don't think that's the case. I believe its more prepping for the worst case scenario. I'm inclined toward the notion that Rey is trolling. And keeping Kat busy until Annie gets back with a cake or something. |
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Post by warrl on Nov 30, 2013 2:28:13 GMT
Renard gets what he thinks he knows about human history and society from big fat books. Actually, no. Renard and Ysengrim were part of human society - specifically French/Belgian society - for several centuries. Ysengrim went into the Catholic clergy for the power and/or easy living it would bring, and Renard was the foil that mocked him and exposed or undermined his corruption (frequently skimming off some of the proceeds of that corruption for himself). |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Nov 30, 2013 2:59:04 GMT
I don't get that impression. It was Kat who brought up the topic of Annie, and Reynardine, seemed like he was looking for a way to downplay things. I still hold the opinion that Annie probably just left cause catching you friends in the act of making' out is hella awkward....as I said several threads ago. Imagine if Annie had seen Kat and Paz deep in a loving embrace, and rushed over to shove her nose into their business. There's a term that describes that kind of behavior; I'll give you a hint, it ends in "-blocked" and girls tend to lack the anatomy of the first half. But if it was just awkward, why run and disappear for hours? I'd understand if it was just for a little bit and not so hard to find... Oh, you know, she probably went off to the woods for a bit and then SOMETHING came up, like it always does. Seriously, it's like Annie can't leave the Court-grounds without undergoing major character development. The trip there with Smitty was probably one of the least-eventful, and only because Annie wasn't the focus of attention (for a change). |
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Post by fwip on Nov 30, 2013 3:05:10 GMT
Nov 29, 2013 13:46:48 GMT -8 bykerhill said:
Antimony in this comic has a long and not-so-glorious history of being sort of a cruel, vicious jerk to people she loves when they take her offguard emotionally. Especially when love is involved. See: Mort, Renard. It's one of the reasons I like the comic and think Tom's characters are often deep; he isn't afraid to give his basically likeable characters real personality flaws and have them act in ways that make us a little bit ashamed of them.
So it wouldn't surprise me if an ugly incident is in the offing.
The bright side is that when the shock wears off she usually feels badly about it.
Well, Annie might not like it, but I can't really see her actually blowing up the way she did at Mort or Renard. I mean, what can she use to accuse Kat? What ammunition, what argument against Kat's behavior doesn't fall apart under its own weight? For Mort, she was caught off guard: For Renard, it was clear retaliation as part of a longer argument. Although, I will admit it's a possibility.
Also, Annie met Kamlen between the last two incidents and now, which may have altered her perspective on this sort of thing.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 30, 2013 3:08:53 GMT
Renard gets what he thinks he knows about human history and society from big fat books. Actually, no. Renard and Ysengrim were part of human society - specifically French/Belgian society - for several centuries. Ysengrim went into the Catholic clergy for the power and/or easy living it would bring, and Renard was the foil that mocked him and exposed or undermined his corruption (frequently skimming off some of the proceeds of that corruption for himself). Source, please? What I remember being Q'd to Tom and Formsprung'd confirmed that Renard lived in France and he learned to read a long time ago. Nothing in a quick check of Formspring search or the Wiki seemed to contradict that. Ys was there but I don't agree that is enough to tie Ren to that version. [edit] What I am asking is, how do you tie the version of Renard in this comic to the version of Renard you are describing? Because if Renard could just join human society by his own magic why would he need body swapping powers suddenly? Why did he think Surma would react in a good way? There are ways around that and maybe next update Renard will talk about his living among humans but I think it is more likely he will talk about how Antimony was raised by Anthony and thus prime Kat to take a cheap shot at her friend's dad.[/edit] |
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Post by warrl on Nov 30, 2013 3:21:40 GMT
Well, Annie might not like it, but I just can't see her actually blowing up the way she did at Mort or Renard. I mean, what can she use to accuse Kat? What ammunition, what argument against Kat's behavior doesn't fall apart under its own weight? For Mort, she was caught off guard: For Renard, it was clear retaliation as part of a longer argument. It's possible she was caught off guard by this incident too. Doesn't look likely to me, but there's still room... On the other had, even if she is caught off guard, it isn't about her. And while there are at least two plausible reasons (but IMHO improbable) why she might be upset about "lesbian", there's some evidence suggesting she won't be upset about a romance involving Kat. |
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