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Post by keef on Nov 13, 2013 18:53:49 GMT
Last seven pages awoke a lot of teenage memories, scary, although I always liked the kissing bit. Okay. Thus far, I can list at least 6 alternatives (please extend): I hope number 1. I remember alternative 5 from real life, it was pretty terrible. Anyway, is that Bobby standing closest to Paz & Kat? |
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Post by warrl on Nov 13, 2013 20:01:16 GMT
Well, I do have one ship, sort of... but it's contingent on something else happening in the plot first and then it's more of a penultimate revenge crackpairing that must never be mentioned because it is far too horrible. Ysengrin and Boxbot? Among other things. I *so* see the last part happening - you could replace Annie with virtually any other kid their age in the comic, including a Kat-clone or a Paz-clone, and it would *still* be 100% in character - but I don't expect the rest. |
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Post by warrl on Nov 13, 2013 20:17:53 GMT
I think that those of you who are saying Annie is jealous in a "Just Friends Way" or are saying Annie is in no way running cause she's seeing the girl she loves with another girl. Are horribly wrong. It's pretty obvious where this is going. And its just the beginning. Honey I've been reading this comic page by page every single update like clockwork for seven years now. In that time I have seen exactly zero long-term story predictions turn out correct. Some things in this world may be "obvious" but the plot of Gunnerkrigg Court is not one of them. First I want to pretty much agree with Basser. I'm not prepared to certify that I've *never* seen a long-term prediction turn out to be correct, but if I have seen such things they have been extremely rare. Certainly none come to mind. As for the earlier part, what I have seen in a few other comics and I think ought to be the general standard is that you should not *officially* know about another person's relationships unless they either tell you, or display those relationships in public - and a normally-deserted alley in a district of vacant warehouses is not public. Otherwise you avoid forcing the other person to acknowledge that you know - and you certainly should not tell anyone else, unless there is a compelling reason to tell someone (and "juicy gossip" is about as far from qualifying as one can get). Now Annie can pretend that she didn't see anything, and Kat can pretend she doesn't know Annie saw. If that's the way Kat wants it. (As roommates and very-close friends Annie can also get away with some teasing and/or questioning - in private - unless Kat tells her not to.) Or, Kat can drag the subject out in the open as soon as the two of them are together. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 13, 2013 20:27:22 GMT
Actually yeah, I can see this as exactly where this is going, with annie going to sulk at Renard for a bit, while he acts incredulous that she didn't already know. Would she tell Renard? She might be mad at Kat, for not telling her sooner or whatever (it's much more complicated than that), but she wouldn't want to break Kat's trust. Maybe he would instinctively know what's going on and give her subtle advice? Whatever happens, I don't think Renard would stand for them to not be friends over something like this... I can just imagine the talking Annie would get. Oh and I can't see Tom giving his readers a canon queer relationship only to go the "evil lesbian" route or anything like it (Paz being used by the court, etc) How could Paz have known Annie was behind her anyway? Antimony talking about this to Renard would not be a good idea because of this. But it might be funny. Antimony talking to the Donlans or ParSmit or any of the other students would not be a good idea because of trust issues. Talking to Ys would not be productive because he would probably start introducing Antimony to Forest dudes. Or wolves. Or other stuff. Since Kat was pretty much the lynchpin in Antimony's support network (and has just chosen Paz over Antimony in a big fat public way) that pretty much leaves Jones to help guide Antimony through dealing with this. Assuming Antimony is together enough to think of that. Even if she does I think Antimony will do the jerk thing for a while. |
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Post by Nemo on Nov 13, 2013 20:29:16 GMT
A conservative interpretation of what is happening here is that Annie is absenting herself to kindly afford her friend some privacy. This is still what I think is the short end of a wedge; Annie has deliberately avoided contact with her best friend (albeit with good intentions), and Kat more or less ignores her best friend (albeit for understandable reasons). In the Treatises, Annie and Kat have always been depicted as embodying two different, opposing forces, despite the closeness they exhibited in the story itself. Now Annie is closer to the forest then ever as its medium, and Kat is closer to the ethic of the Court than ever in her increasing role as creator of artificial life. If something, however innocuous like one of the friends having her first real love affair and the other wishing to respect this, separates the two, I suspect that other forces in their lives may work to sustain and expand the gap. ANNIE VS. KAT COURT OR FOREST? LET'S ROCK! Since you mention the treatises, I have to bring up something which has made me suspect Annie/Kat as an inevitable pairing for a very long time. Kat and Paz will most likely break up at some point. How many people stay with their first love? Not a lot. I'm looking at the long game, and I don't think it is something that will happen any time soon. But in www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=923, Kat's comment about the sun and the moon has always made me suspect that them getting together is an inevitability. Now whether it would be a lasting relationship or not, I'm not sure. I don't think Annie has any particular orientation, but I wonder if she may eventually consider such a relationship out of a fear of death. At any rate, I don't think she's going to actually care that Kat is making out with another girl. She's witnessed Kat's crushes before and they've always been steadfast friends either way. If jealousy were going to be a thing with them, it would've happened already. But this is also the first time she's seen Kat being intimate with someone else and they are now in the age of hormones. I suspect her running away is 10% confusion, 90% "OMGthey'remakingout,Ineedtofind...a...book." |
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Post by hoskins88 on Nov 13, 2013 20:35:36 GMT
Monstrous page-pairings aside, has anyone figured out why this chapter is called "Thread"? Probably because this chapter has to do with love lives, though thread=love is more of a Japanese thing, but thanks to manga and anime their culture beliefs have become pretty wide spread. Also how come so few believe Annie could be in love with Kat, there is more evidence of that than her being in love with anyone else. Though I haven't read Annie in the Forest and I hear there is some ship tease but its part one so I wait until part two comes out to read it. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 13, 2013 21:00:11 GMT
Well, I do have one ship, sort of... but it's contingent on something else happening in the plot first and then it's more of a penultimate revenge crackpairing that must never be mentioned because it is far too horrible. Ysengrin and Boxbot? Among other things. I *so* see the last part happening - you could replace Annie with virtually any other kid their age in the comic, including a Kat-clone or a Paz-clone, and it would *still* be 100% in character - but I don't expect the rest. I admit I don't know what route Antimony is taking or how long she's planning on staying but I think all roads lead to Jerk City on this one. She might take the Surma Expressway and blow right through the center of town with a quick explosion and then an apology, after which things get back to normal. She might take the exit for the Carver Hotel, rent a room, and do the whole, "So you're lesbians now. That is of no interest to me. Neither is friendship. I will go over there now" thing for a much longer time. Or she might rent a RV and stay at pityparty campsites along the edge of town being a jerk in small ways until she figures out how to deal. [There are sooo many possibilities. I had about eight of these this morning but just didn't have time to post them. Point is, Kat's her bff and Antimony can't handle this.] |
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Post by philman on Nov 13, 2013 21:17:30 GMT
Also how come so few believe Annie could be in love with Kat, there is more evidence of that than her being in love with anyone else. Though I haven't read Annie in the Forest and I hear there is some ship tease but its part one so I wait until part two comes out to read it. Well since there is no evidence of her being in love with anyone, except maybe that forest guy we saw when Zimmy went into her dream (I haven't read Annie in the Forest yet) then that point is kinda moot. Annie's always been kinda asexual anyway, and we know that her fire elemental genes cause the mother to always die, well that kind of foreshadows that there will be a father and male relationship in the future anyway. I don't really understand where the Annie/Kat shippers are coming from other than: 'they are good friends, therefore-ship'. C'mon, give Kat a chance! |
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Post by fronzel on Nov 13, 2013 21:25:56 GMT
I don't really understand where the Annie/Kat shippers are coming from other than: 'they are good friends, therefore-ship'. Shipping is not frequently a rational act. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Nov 13, 2013 21:28:02 GMT
Monstrous page-pairings aside, has anyone figured out why this chapter is called "Thread"? My non-serious completely wrong theory that I just thought of: this is all a simulation Kat is running. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1267 |
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Post by hoskins88 on Nov 13, 2013 21:47:21 GMT
Also how come so few believe Annie could be in love with Kat, there is more evidence of that than her being in love with anyone else. Though I haven't read Annie in the Forest and I hear there is some ship tease but its part one so I wait until part two comes out to read it. Well since there is no evidence of her being in love with anyone, except maybe that forest guy we saw when Zimmy went into her dream (I haven't read Annie in the Forest yet) then that point is kinda moot. Annie's always been kinda asexual anyway, and we know that her fire elemental genes cause the mother to always die, well that kind of foreshadows that there will be a father and male relationship in the future anyway. I don't really understand where the Annie/Kat shippers are coming from other than: 'they are good friends, therefore-ship'. C'mon, give Kat a chance! I don't really understand where the Annie/Kat shippers are coming from other than: 'they are good friends, therefore-ship'. Shipping is not frequently a rational act. There is a bit such as this page www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1051 it's confirmed that that's Annie's hand, and Annie stopped as soon as Kat awoke crossing her hands on her lap. And of course there is that Kat is probably the only person in the world Annie is real with. While it is not the strongest Shiptease this is Annie we're talking about. Annnnnd let's face it, it wasn't Paz most of us were thinking about when Kat begun to question her sexuality. I'm not saying Kat/Annie is destiny or anything I just find it strange that nobody thinks there is a possibility for it being a reason for Annie's running away. Its like everyone thinks if they ignore the incoming drama bomb it wont happen and the comic will continue to give its readers diabetes. The Drama Is Near. |
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 13, 2013 22:06:45 GMT
I don't really understand where the Annie/Kat shippers are coming from other than: 'they are good friends, therefore-ship'. Even this is unnecessary. "Two characters appear on the same page, therefore-ship!" is enough.  And of course there is that Kat is probably the only person in the world Annie is real with. While it is not the strongest Shiptease this is Annie we're talking about. Jones. And (maybe to a lesser degree) other Mediums. The question is - whom else she can trust? |
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Post by stef1987 on Nov 13, 2013 22:23:22 GMT
I can't see Annie beeing homophobic or anything, I mean she doesn't seem to care about any of that, and she never cared about Gamma and Zimmy's relationship.
But, given the chapter title, and Annie beeing a selfish jerk sometimes, and the fact that this is a work of fiction, I fear this won't go well. Maybe it starts just as a small argument between Kat and Annie (Annie beeing upset Kat never told her ofcourse), but then escalates.
For some reason I fear that Annie will return with someone else, Kat's parents, a teacher, ... I dunno.
Dunno why she would do that though.
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Post by The Anarch on Nov 13, 2013 22:27:04 GMT
I don't really understand where the Annie/Kat shippers are coming from other than: 'they are good friends, therefore-ship'. Even this is unnecessary. "Two characters appear on the same page, therefore-ship!" is enough. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 13, 2013 22:27:09 GMT
Even this is unnecessary. "Two characters appear on the same page, therefore-ship!" is enough. Same page? "These two characters appeared in the same cartoon! It's clearly a sign that the author is planning something between them!" |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 13, 2013 22:34:11 GMT
I can't see Annie beeing homophobic or anything, I mean she doesn't seem to care about any of that, and she never cared about Gamma and Zimmy's relationship. But, given the chapter title, and Annie beeing a selfish jerk sometimes, and the fact that this is a work of fiction, I fear this won't go well. Maybe it starts just as a small argument between Kat and Annie (Annie beeing upset Kat never told her ofcourse), but then escalates. For some reason I fear that Annie will return with someone else, Kat's parents, a teacher, ... I dunno. Dunno why she would do that though. A long time ago, when Catalyst was current, someone pointed out that a catalyst is something that speeds up a reaction. What is the reaction? Well for a long time it's been obvious that tensions between the Court and the Forest are rising. I think that Kat and Annie are going to put their friendship to the test when duty calls. But what's the catalyst? You tell me... What singular event happened in Catalyst? |
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Post by Kuraimizu on Nov 13, 2013 22:50:56 GMT
I can't see Annie beeing homophobic or anything, I mean she doesn't seem to care about any of that, and she never cared about Gamma and Zimmy's relationship. But, given the chapter title, and Annie beeing a selfish jerk sometimes, and the fact that this is a work of fiction, I fear this won't go well. Maybe it starts just as a small argument between Kat and Annie (Annie beeing upset Kat never told her ofcourse), but then escalates. For some reason I fear that Annie will return with someone else, Kat's parents, a teacher, ... I dunno. Dunno why she would do that though. A long time ago, when Catalyst was current, someone pointed out that a catalyst is something that speeds up a reaction. What is the reaction? Well for a long time it's been obvious that tensions between the Court and the Forest are rising. I think that Kat and Annie are going to put their friendship to the test when duty calls. But what's the catalyst? You tell me... What singular event happened in Catalyst? The catylyst I think will be when they free Jeanne from the River. When the Guardian of the waters is gone the canyon can be crossed more freely. |
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Post by philman on Nov 13, 2013 22:57:13 GMT
There is a bit such as this page www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1051 it's confirmed that that's Annie's hand, and Annie stopped as soon as Kat awoke crossing her hands on her lap. And of course there is that Kat is probably the only person in the world Annie is real with. While it is not the strongest Shiptease this is Annie we're talking about. If I had I good friend who had fallen asleep while I was in a coma for several days I'd probably be happy to see her too... Yes it was? Given the conversation between them in Faraway Morning. Not saying its an impossibility, I just don't think it's very likely |
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Post by Kuraimizu on Nov 13, 2013 23:12:44 GMT
Not saying its an impossibility, I just don't think it's very likely Annie Did ask Jack if he still wanted that Kiss after all. strong hint Annie likes Guys. Also Annie is really good at picking up social cues. |
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Post by crater on Nov 13, 2013 23:29:26 GMT
A long time ago, when Catalyst was current, someone pointed out that a catalyst is something that speeds up a reaction. What is the reaction? Well for a long time it's been obvious that tensions between the Court and the Forest are rising. I think that Kat and Annie are going to put their friendship to the test when duty calls. But what's the catalyst? the Katalyst  Eventually Kat will be exploited by the Court just like they exploited Ann. Except Kat isn't going to have a bro-dog on her side to magically fix everything. |
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Post by takesailorhunt on Nov 13, 2013 23:45:08 GMT
I interpret this as leading into a chapter like 32, but with the roles reversed. Not sure where that puts me on the list of possibly outcomes... That, or option 8: Paz just drugged Kat in the last panel. The next day, Kat wakes up missing a kidney. Woah... that escalated quickly. I'm sure if Paz needed a kidney, Kat could try to concoct one for her. |
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Post by mithrandir on Nov 14, 2013 0:30:09 GMT
I can't help but notice the robots weren't there when Kat was peeking over Paz's shoulder at Annie, but they're there in the last panel. It's possible that the robots were just out of field of vision of Kat squinting, but as long as we're talking positive interpretations, maybe Annie just ran to go get some robots to come see.  |
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Post by hoskins88 on Nov 14, 2013 0:56:13 GMT
Not saying its an impossibility, I just don't think it's very likely Annie Did ask Jack if he still wanted that Kiss after all. strong hint Annie likes Guys. Also Annie is really good at picking up social cues. I always thought that was more because she wanted to apologize, then out of any real attraction. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 14, 2013 1:00:31 GMT
I interpret this as leading into a chapter like 32, but with the roles reversed. Not sure where that puts me on the list of possibly outcomes... That, or option 8: Paz just drugged Kat in the last panel. The next day, Kat wakes up missing a kidney. Woah... that escalated quickly. I'm sure if Paz needed a kidney, Kat could try to concoct one for her. |
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Post by Elysium on Nov 14, 2013 1:47:50 GMT
How many people stay with their first love? How many people hook up with their BFF ? |
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Post by Marnath on Nov 14, 2013 1:58:50 GMT
Oh and I can't see Tom giving his readers a canon queer relationship only to go the "evil lesbian" route or anything like it (Paz being used by the court, etc) How could Paz have known Annie was behind her anyway? You mean a second canon queer relationship. Zimmy isn't evil, she's just crazy. |
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Post by csj on Nov 14, 2013 2:08:45 GMT
I hope Paz is prepared to be worshipped for her unique connection to the robot-goddess.
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Post by SerenaJo on Nov 14, 2013 2:14:20 GMT
Antimony talking about this to Renard would not be a good idea because of this. But it might be funny. Antimony talking to the Donlans or ParSmit or any of the other students would not be a good idea because of trust issues. Talking to Ys would not be productive because he would probably start introducing Antimony to Forest dudes. Or wolves. Or other stuff. Since Kat was pretty much the lynchpin in Antimony's support network (and has just chosen Paz over Antimony in a big fat public way) that pretty much leaves Jones to help guide Antimony through dealing with this. Assuming Antimony is together enough to think of that. Even if she does I think Antimony will do the jerk thing for a while. He hasn't acted like that in a while. It's possible he knows something's up here and he's not really being a jerk. I think Annie would trust him enough to talk about it. To those who think Paz is secretly evil or something I would point out the fifth and sixth panels of this page. What she's telling Kat actually happens in the flashback... not much room for court shenanigans or nefarious plans of her own as far as I can tell? Why would we get a flashback at all if it's only half the story? She also backed off when she learned the guy she liked was interested in someone else... which I interpret as, yeah, she's a little awkward socially but not really pushy or manipulative. The only thing that worries me (and a lot of other people it seems) is the last panel because it does kiiind of read as "this could be a theme of Kat and Annie growing apart" and that's very sad.  |
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Post by kukapetal on Nov 14, 2013 2:17:39 GMT
You mean a second canon queer relationship. Zimmy isn't evil, she's just crazy. Are we counting Robot and Shadow 2? Because if so, it's the third  Anyway, all the reasons people have listed for Annie running off seem plausible, but I don't think it would have been deliberately pointed out in the comic like that if it wasn't going to lead to some sort of drama later. I'm guessing Annie IS jealous, but maybe doesn't even know WHY she's jealous at this point. Might lead to her to start questioning her own relationship with Kat and how she really feels about her. I guess we'll see. |
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Post by Kuraimizu on Nov 14, 2013 2:21:53 GMT
You mean a second canon queer relationship. Zimmy isn't evil, she's just crazy. Are we counting Robot and Shadow 2? Because if so, it's the third actually Robots don't have a gender, though Robby does act like a Guy. And do you forget? Shadow sounds like a mix of Annie and Kat, Shadow sounds like a Girl So Robby is a Guy and Shadow is a Girl so they're straight not queer. |
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Okay. Thus far, I can list at least 6 alternatives (please extend):
