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Post by impish on May 22, 2013 12:34:38 GMT
you're very confused. this page is happening at the same time as annie is talking to Parley and smithy, which is after the forest run, and after the cafeteria. unless... I'm mistaken? Um no, in the cafeteria Kat is telling Annie to continue her story (about them running out of the forest, see the next page), so the scene in the cafeteria is definitely after the forest helpers fiasco. You're mistaken AND I'm probably very confused, but not about that part ;P |
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Post by Trism on May 22, 2013 12:47:16 GMT
In the next strip, Kat's robot brain will explode. Because she is a robot. Kat that is. Kat is a robot.
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Post by download on May 22, 2013 12:58:52 GMT
you're very confused. this page is happening at the same time as annie is talking to Parley and smithy, which is after the forest run, and after the cafeteria. unless... I'm mistaken? you're very confused. this page is happening at the same time as annie is talking to Parley and smithy, which is after the forest run, and after the cafeteria. unless... I'm mistaken? Um no, in the cafeteria Kat is telling Annie to continue her story (about them running out of the forest, see the next page), so the scene in the cafeteria is definitely after the forest helpers fiasco. You're mistaken AND I'm probably very confused, but not about that part ;P I'm quite certain this is after lunch, while Annie chats with Parley and Smitty |
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Post by goldenknots on May 22, 2013 13:14:29 GMT
It's Tom's/the forum's word filter for the comics forum on 4chan, but now we just call it that by default. Seems very apt. :) |
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Post by Toloc on May 22, 2013 13:17:53 GMT
The timeline in this chapter is seriously confusing.
I would guess
forest -> talk annie/smitthy/parley -[same time]> kat -> cafeteria
but just as much of a case can be made for
forest -> cafeteria -> talk annie/smitthy/parley -[same time]> kat
Some clarification from Tom would be helpful.
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Post by exdevlin on May 22, 2013 13:34:06 GMT
Thanks Eversist. Now you've ruined everything. Forums implode. Gameover.
I kid, of course.
I'm actually really glad people are being fairly receptive of this as the 'twist' in this chapter. I'm not 100% convinced it's a romantic letter, even if everyone's been calling it a 'love letter'. I've experienced youthful jealousy of other kids before, but not in a romantic way.. Kids just get jealous of other kids.
Well, I hope we get to see the actual contents of the letter at some point in this chapter. It'd certainly answer some questions.
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Post by download on May 22, 2013 13:44:08 GMT
Thanks Eversist. Now you've ruined everything. Forums implode. Gameover. I kid, of course. I'm actually really glad people are being fairly receptive of this as the 'twist' in this chapter. I'm not 100% convinced it's a romantic letter, even if everyone's been calling it a 'love letter'. I've experienced youthful jealousy of other kids before, but not in a romantic way.. Kids just get jealous of other kids. Well, I hope we get to see the actual contents of the letter at some point in this chapter. It'd certainly answer some questions. Seeing as Paz got Bobby to write it it may not reflect what Paz is feeling very accurately |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 22, 2013 13:53:06 GMT
Man, I sleep in through one update and this happens. I'm actually really glad people are being fairly receptive of this as the 'twist' in this chapter. I'm not 100% convinced it's a romantic letter, even if everyone's been calling it a 'love letter'. I've experienced youthful jealousy of other kids before, but not in a romantic way.. Kids just get jealous of other kids. Well, I hope we get to see the actual contents of the letter at some point in this chapter. It'd certainly answer some questions. Yeah, agree. The content of the letter now becomes really important. Paz's grasp of English expressions may not be fully up to snuff and would be filtered through Bobby in any case. So I'm not ready to get on the lesbians bandwagon yet. Even if this is an intentional expression of [anonymous] romantic interest and not another youthful misunderstanding I doubt it's a "ditch that skank Annie and get wid me" proposition. The one thing I know for sure is that the end result will be The Butt Zone yelling "buthurt!" And that has nothing to do with the comic. |
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Post by Rymdljus on May 22, 2013 14:29:47 GMT
The timeline in this chapter is seriously confusing. I would guess forest -> talk annie/smitthy/parley -[same time]> kat -> cafeteria but just as much of a case can be made for forest -> cafeteria -> talk annie/smitthy/parley -[same time]> kat Some clarification from Tom would be helpful. The cafeteria scene has to have taken place before this, I believe. Think of the letter, and how it's been passed along: 1. Annie has it and Kat is surprised that she does (cafeteria) 2. Kat takes it from Annie (cafeteria) 3. Kat has it in her hand and Paz sees it 4. Kat leaves it on the desk in front of Bobby If the cafeteria scene takes place after this, then Kat has to get back inside, take the letter, get to the cafeteria to talk to Annie, and somehow lose the letter so that Annie can pull it out, to Kat's surprise. |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on May 22, 2013 14:33:27 GMT
The timeline in this chapter is seriously confusing. I would guess forest -> talk annie/smitthy/parley -[same time]> kat -> cafeteria but just as much of a case can be made for forest -> cafeteria -> talk annie/smitthy/parley -[same time]> kat Some clarification from Tom would be helpful. The cafeteria scene has to have taken place before this, I believe. Think of the letter, and how it's been passed along: 1. Annie has it and Kat is surprised that she does (cafeteria) 2. Kat takes it from Annie (cafeteria) 3. Kat has it in her hand and Paz sees it 4. Kat leaves it on the desk in front of Bobby If the cafeteria scene takes place after this, then Kat has to get back inside, take the letter, get to the cafeteria to talk to Annie, and somehow lose the letter so that Annie can pull it out, to Kat's surprise. What if the next page consists of Kat getting embarrassed and running to grab the letter, proceed to run off to the dorms and throw it into a trashbin. Then Annie finds it and we're back at the cafeteria scene. "Don't get you hopes up too much." Yeah, that won't be the case, but it's an interesting scenario, in a funny way. |
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Post by 78941 on May 22, 2013 14:40:22 GMT
First response: Yes.... YES YES YES YES YES YES YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!  After a moment to figure out what comes next: Oh, FFFFFFFFFFFfffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!  Tom, you trolling bastard. Please don't go there. Just let them be happy. >,< |
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Post by 0o0f on May 22, 2013 14:46:01 GMT
I'm not 100% convinced it's a romantic letter, even if everyone's been calling it a 'love letter'. I've experienced youthful jealousy of other kids before, but not in a romantic way.. Kids just get jealous of other kids. I guess Paz' blushing made me assume = has a crush. But yes, it's very possible that she's talking of platonic jealousy. She's pretty young, so who knows if she can tell the difference? |
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Post by wombat on May 22, 2013 14:46:30 GMT
this, I believe. Think of the letter, and how it's been passed along: 1. Annie has it and Kat is surprised that she does (cafeteria) 2. Kat takes it from Annie (cafeteria) 3. Kat has it in her hand and Paz sees it 4. Kat leaves it on the desk in front of Bobby If the cafeteria scene takes place after this, then Kat has to get back inside, take the letter, get to the cafeteria to talk to Annie, and somehow lose the letter so that Annie can pull it out, to Kat's surprise. Also, in the cafeteria, Kat says she has "a good idea who it's from," which I feel would be a bit of an ambiguous thing for her to say after...being flat out told. |
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Post by TBeholder on May 22, 2013 14:47:01 GMT
Speak of imageboards... (sigh) The timeline in this chapter is seriously confusing. I would guess forest -> talk annie/smitthy/parley -[same time]> kat -> cafeteria So... you assume the most likely course is that after this page Kat returned to Bob and took that letter back? |
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Post by snipertom on May 22, 2013 14:50:05 GMT
There's definitely the hot sweaty mansex fanservice out there (eg the world of yaoi as a whole, slash fiction, and some more serious webcomics eg TJ & Amal which is btw NSFW so not linked), but when it comes to webcomics, compared with lesbian fanservice it has a lot of catching up to do! I guess because earlier in the game, when i started reading webcomics in 2000, more straight guys were drawing and reading webcomics, and now things have changed substantially.
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Post by download on May 22, 2013 15:02:50 GMT
Someone over on /co/ posted this  So, so cruel, I giggled though |
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Post by 0o0f on May 22, 2013 15:03:49 GMT
There's definitely the hot sweaty mansex fanservice out there (eg the world of yaoi as a whole, slash fiction, and some more serious webcomics eg TJ & Amal which is btw NSFW so not linked), but when it comes to webcomics, compared with lesbian fanservice it has a lot of catching up to do! I guess because earlier in the game, when i started reading webcomics in 2000, more straight guys were drawing and reading webcomics, and now things have changed substantially. Heh, I guess since I've read more webcomics with slash in them (for the most part crap, but this is webcomics we are talking about...) it didn't occur to me that it was less common in the world of webcomics. |
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Post by Morpheus on May 22, 2013 15:09:55 GMT
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Post by dismalscientist on May 22, 2013 15:38:17 GMT
Um, aren’t you guys missing the obvious interpretation of these events? Let’s examine Paz’s choice of words carefully:
“The letter was from me, Kat.”
“The letter was from me, Kat.”
That is, Kat herself wrote and sent the letter (or had Bobby do so). Paz per se does not exist, but is rather a psychic manifestation of Kat’s internal struggles with low self-esteem. In recent panels of the comic we see a Tyler Durden-esque bifurcation of Kat’s personality — this whole love-letter episode, in fact, turns out to be the process by which she works through an underlying psychiatric impairment.
The letter? An invitation to love … herself.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Edit: Note how the most detailed interactions between Paz and Kat take place outside of others’ company. Paz was not hitting on Matt during the overnight party, Kat was. She attributed those actions to “Paz” to separate herself from embarrassment, as well as to provide an object upon which to bestow comfort. Her resistance to understanding herself as a worthy individual manifested in the lesbianism mixup.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 15:47:36 GMT
....I think I'm just gonna sit this one out in terms of comments and interpretations. Divine was confusing, but this chapter is just misleading.
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Post by legion on May 22, 2013 15:56:57 GMT
Of course, there is still the possibility that Paz meant to write a nice, laudative, NOT-love letter to Kat, and it came across wrong because of the way Bobby worded it~
The way she explains what the letter was for in the current page is ambiguous enough to allow this, so there's still a decent possibility of the shippers being shot down on friday~
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Post by hargharg on May 22, 2013 16:00:03 GMT
Um, aren’t you guys missing the obvious interpretation of these events? Let’s examine Paz’s choice of words carefully: “The letter was from me, Kat.” “The letter was from me, Kat.” That is, Kat herself wrote and sent the letter (or had Bobby do so). Paz per se does not exist, but is rather a psychic manifestation of Kat’s internal struggles with low self-esteem. ... Whoah, now I won't be surprised if this turns out to be true.  I can almost feel someone already modifying pages with Paz and Kat to not contain Paz (ala Garfield-Garfield). |
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Post by snipertom on May 22, 2013 16:05:35 GMT
*blink* wherewherewhere?? Um, aren’t you guys missing the obvious interpretation of these events? Let’s examine Paz’s choice of words carefully: “The letter was from me, Kat.” “The letter was from me, Kat.” That is, Kat herself wrote and sent the letter (or had Bobby do so). Paz per se does not exist, but is rather a psychic manifestation of Kat’s internal struggles with low self-esteem. In recent panels of the comic we see a Tyler Durden-esque bifurcation of Kat’s personality — this whole love-letter episode, in fact, turns out to be the process by which she works through an underlying psychiatric impairment. The letter? An invitation to love … herself. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Edit: Note how the most detailed interactions between Paz and Kat take place outside of others’ company. Paz was not hitting on Matt during the overnight party, Kat was. She attributed those actions to “Paz” to separate herself from embarrassment, as well as to provide an object upon which to bestow comfort. Her resistance to understanding herself as a worthy individual manifested in the lesbianism mixup. Then... who did Mort scare...? gosh golly GUNNERKRIGG COURT IS ALL A HALLUCINATION OF KAT WE ARE ALL IN KATS MIND RIGHT NOW THE UNIVERSE IS... |
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Post by GK Sierra on May 22, 2013 16:22:29 GMT
I picked a hell of an update to sleep through. Not much to say except: I WANT TO BELIEVE.jpg The skeptic in me wants to agree with Legion, that the letter was colored by an unreliable narrator who substituted how he felt for how Paz felt, but the IWAN2BELIV part is reminding me that Paz oversaw the dictation personally... and was blushing throughout. Kat, at the risk of sounding lewd and lascivious... this is an opportunity. Recognize it. Paz is a nice, down to earth person. Ah mean, technically speaking it's supposed to be a SFW board... Also, why would you link that here? NOW THE FORUM'S TAINTED "SFW" means you will get banned for NSFW content, but only long after the thread has concluded. If anything we'll taint them. 4chan has no power here, stripped of their anonymity. |
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Post by nero on May 22, 2013 16:23:13 GMT
I think Kat is going to try to gently put down Paz's feelings. I feel sorry for Paz because she has the worst luck. I just don't think we're going to see Kat even consider being with Paz after she made her feel uncomfortable about her lack femininity.
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Post by wombat on May 22, 2013 16:31:22 GMT
Um, aren’t you guys missing the obvious interpretation of these events? Let’s examine Paz’s choice of words carefully: “The letter was from me, Kat.” “The letter was from me, Kat.” That is, Kat herself wrote and sent the letter (or had Bobby do so). Paz per se does not exist, but is rather a psychic manifestation of Kat’s internal struggles with low self-esteem. In recent panels of the comic we see a Tyler Durden-esque bifurcation of Kat’s personality — this whole love-letter episode, in fact, turns out to be the process by which she works through an underlying psychiatric impairment. The letter? An invitation to love … herself. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Edit: Note how the most detailed interactions between Paz and Kat take place outside of others’ company. Paz was not hitting on Matt during the overnight party, Kat was. She attributed those actions to “Paz” to separate herself from embarrassment, as well as to provide an object upon which to bestow comfort. Her resistance to understanding herself as a worthy individual manifested in the lesbianism mixup. Then... who did Mort scare...? gosh golly GUNNERKRIGG COURT IS ALL A HALLUCINATION OF KAT WE ARE ALL IN KATS MIND RIGHT NOW THE UNIVERSE IS... After being terrified by Mort, Paz had terrible nightmares every night until she eventually left the school. Note that the real Paz spoke only Spanish, so Kat knew very little about her actual personality by the time she left and molded her idea of what Paz was like until it became her self-projection. |
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Post by hargharg on May 22, 2013 16:32:55 GMT
nero: It's a "glass half-empty, glass half-full" situation. It could go either way. Or go in an entirely different one.
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Post by csj on May 22, 2013 16:43:44 GMT
After being terrified by Mort, Paz had terrible nightmares every night until she eventually left the school. Note that the real Paz spoke only Spanish, so Kat knew very little about her actual personality by the time she left and molded her idea of what Paz was like until it became her self-projection. OH NO! WE'RE ALL INSIDE ONE OF KAT'S ILLUSIONS! |
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Post by Steam Engine on May 22, 2013 16:50:10 GMT
If anything we'll taint them. 4chan has no power here, stripped of their anonymity. But anonimity is good. Better than anal registration, in fact. |
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Post by Marnath on May 22, 2013 16:52:48 GMT
Anyway, as a chick who mainly likes other chicks but occasionally digs a dude, I agree that chicks hooking up with each other on the webcomics is overrepresented especially compared with gay or bi guys. Not complaining about there being heaps of ladiez at all of course  . Just that with some authors (I don't include Tom in this categorisation) it seems that the reason they depict lesbians is because they think it's hot while they think gay guys is gross. Which is poor reasoning for both! As a gay guy, I kind of agree that it's easier to portray lesbians than male homosexuals as a certain type of reader will enjoy the former as fanservice. But, I think that can't be aimed at Tom. Because his story is mostly about women rather than men anyway and yet of his five queer characters two (Shadow and Robot) are male or male identifying and their relationship gets as many big couple moments as the one openly lesbian one (Zimmy and Gamma). And our fifth queer character, Paz, seems so far to be bisexual. So we have 2 male gays, 2 lesbians, 1 bisexual and 28 hetrosexuals (Jack, Annie, Kat, Smitty, Parley, Eglamore, Anja, Donald, Tony, Surma, Brinnie, the headmaster, Diego, Jeannie, the elf, Matt, Margo, John, Bob and his wife, bud and lindsey, willie and janet, reynardine, mort, Alistar and Chang E) by my count with the rest of the character's sexuality unspecified. That seems pretty reflective of reality, really. And would do even if we end up having to move Kat from one category to another. Actually, Robot has his crush on Kat, remember? As a robot it's not clear whether he feels any sort of physical desire, but he does appear to be bi-romantic at least. I've always thought that Annie might be asexual. |
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. Just that with some authors (I don't include Tom in this categorisation) it seems that the reason they depict lesbians is because they think it's hot while they think gay guys is gross. Which is poor reasoning for both!