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TicToc
Feb 15, 2007 2:50:47 GMT
Post by rastarogue on Feb 15, 2007 2:50:47 GMT
That trap would have to be like a pit of spikes or some other mechanical thing, if some monstrous thing were to charge at her she would just start asking it about it's personal life and gain a new friend. Well, in most cases. There's always the possibility that the "monstrous thing" might be as unwilling to talk as the Ghost Girl with the Sword. I think that the Ghost Girl with Sword has some kind of prior connection to Annie that caused her to not talk. Most "things" seem more then willing to speak with her.
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TicToc
Feb 15, 2007 11:35:14 GMT
Post by todd on Feb 15, 2007 11:35:14 GMT
Of course, most of the unusual beings that Annie encountered seem to have been of a kindly disposition, anyway (Shadow2, Basil the Minotaur, Mort, etc.), with the one exception (apart from Ghost Girl), Reynardine, having his own motives for engaging Annie in friendly conversation before revealing his true intentions towards her.
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TicToc
Feb 16, 2007 3:18:58 GMT
Post by rastarogue on Feb 16, 2007 3:18:58 GMT
The reason for "thing" is that it also covers humans, or near humans, such as Zimmy. Annie was repeatedly given reasons to dislike Zimmy and in the end became a friend.
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TicToc
Feb 16, 2007 21:08:30 GMT
Post by owl on Feb 16, 2007 21:08:30 GMT
Well, in most cases. There's always the possibility that the "monstrous thing" might be as unwilling to talk as the Ghost Girl with the Sword. I think that the Ghost Girl with Sword has some kind of prior connection to Annie that caused her to not talk. Most "things" seem more then willing to speak with her. I disagree, actually. I think Ghost Girl had a predisposed dislike for anyone that entered the Annan Gorge, not Anniein particular.
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TicToc
Feb 16, 2007 22:09:20 GMT
Post by rastarogue on Feb 16, 2007 22:09:20 GMT
I think that the Ghost Girl with Sword has some kind of prior connection to Annie that caused her to not talk. Most "things" seem more then willing to speak with her. I disagree, actually. I think Ghost Girl had a predisposed dislike for anyone that entered the Annan Gorge, not Anniein particular. What if Ghost Girl is the Lady in the Ballad Annan Waters? It would explain why she might be angry at Annie for surviving the waters that killed her love.
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TicToc
Feb 16, 2007 22:12:23 GMT
Post by owl on Feb 16, 2007 22:12:23 GMT
Well, yeah, but that's not really a "prior connection", is it? I think of "prior connection" as, say, they had met before in Annies past or something.
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TicToc
Feb 16, 2007 22:15:40 GMT
Post by rastarogue on Feb 16, 2007 22:15:40 GMT
Well, yeah, but that's not really a "prior connection", is it? I think of "prior connection" as, say, they had met before in Annies past or something. Okay, I meant: maybe she had some prior reason to dislike Annie that has nothing to do with Annie's personality or looks.
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TicToc
Feb 16, 2007 23:34:35 GMT
Post by todd on Feb 16, 2007 23:34:35 GMT
The bit about "Annie's personality or looks" reminded me of the wild speculation that I had that Ghost Girl was envious of Annie's looks and was trying to disfigure rather than kill her in a spirit of "Then I'll be the fairest in the land", a la the evil Queen in "Snow White".
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TicToc
Feb 17, 2007 0:40:43 GMT
Post by mrw on Feb 17, 2007 0:40:43 GMT
Do you think we should start a thread for the ghost girl and the Annan Waters? There's a lot of mystery surrounding them, and a bunch of clues and theories. It might be nice to get them all in one place.
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TicToc
Feb 17, 2007 1:09:38 GMT
Post by UbiquitousDragon on Feb 17, 2007 1:09:38 GMT
Do you think we should start a thread for the ghost girl and the Annan Waters? There's a lot of mystery surrounding them, and a bunch of clues and theories. It might be nice to get them all in one place. Yes. She's an interesting character/plot device. (Ack, that sounds excessively English-student-y.)
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TicToc
Feb 17, 2007 12:25:39 GMT
Post by UbiquitousDragon on Feb 17, 2007 12:25:39 GMT
On TicTocs, couldn't they count as robots? We know they're mechanical, and possibly remote controlled.
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TicToc
Feb 17, 2007 18:28:10 GMT
Post by owl on Feb 17, 2007 18:28:10 GMT
I had actually thought of that, but I'm not sure. Howeverm I'm sure any speculation regading Reynardine/robots/ would also be true of Reynardine/ Tictocs, for the most part.
They are clockwork, but somehow I can't imagine them sharing jokes with the robots of 206. ;D
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Feb 17, 2007 18:43:25 GMT
Post by mrw on Feb 17, 2007 18:43:25 GMT
"robot" is a pretty wide term actually. The machines that assemble cars are robots. They're pretty boring conversationalists, though.
The Tic Tocs definitely qualify as robots in the literal and mechanical sense, but perhaps not in the sense of Robot.
Mechanically, I'd have to say the TicTocs are more advanced than Robot. Duplicating a bird's flight is significantly harder than making a walking machine. As far as "brainpower" goes, Robot seems far more advanced.
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Feb 17, 2007 19:17:43 GMT
Post by UbiquitousDragon on Feb 17, 2007 19:17:43 GMT
I was more thinking of the title of the latest chapter, and if we're gunna find out more about them. Like in the last chapter and Gamma's cryptic words. Of course it just be about Robot-like robots.
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Feb 18, 2007 5:13:30 GMT
Post by owl on Feb 18, 2007 5:13:30 GMT
The Tic Tocs definitely qualify as robots in the literal and mechanical sense, but perhaps not in the sense of Robot. That's kind of what I was trying to say. I just did it more vaguely and with more ;D's. But I do agree. Making a Tic Toc would probably be something that Kat would make, not Annie. Though Annie's good at robotics, Kat is Kat.
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Feb 18, 2007 5:24:47 GMT
Post by mrw on Feb 18, 2007 5:24:47 GMT
So far we've seen three different kinds of robots in the Court, if you include the TicTocs. The TicTocs are the only ones that don't seem to have any sort of personality. That probably doesn't have any real significance as far as plot goes, but may underscore the very different purposes they seem to serve. Also, I just have to say, this is awesome. www.gunnerkrigg.com/art/tictocwall1024.jpg(Everybody should have seen it already, but still... )
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TicToc
Feb 18, 2007 5:28:47 GMT
Post by owl on Feb 18, 2007 5:28:47 GMT
As soon as you said that, my background changed to that. Awesome.
Synchronization!
Three: TicTocs, Boxbot and Montgomery & co., yes? But no one says anything about it ever....interesting. Commonplace enough not to be mentioned, or supposedly hidden from the students? I'm thinkin' the second. But still...no one's found them, when they're just wandering te halls? or is that just Annie?
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TicToc
Feb 18, 2007 5:31:42 GMT
Post by mrw on Feb 18, 2007 5:31:42 GMT
Some sort of celestial alignment perhaps? Speaking of which, happy Lunar New year!
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TicToc
Feb 18, 2007 5:36:03 GMT
Post by owl on Feb 18, 2007 5:36:03 GMT
Happy Lunar New Year! Could be, I suppose! You never know with that Tom Siddel! Anything is possible!
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TicToc
Feb 19, 2007 22:30:35 GMT
Post by La Poire on Feb 19, 2007 22:30:35 GMT
TicTocs aren't really robots - I mean, depending on your definition a robot can be either "A machine that does the work of a man" or "Our plastic pals from japan." "Clockwork birdie" doesn't quite fit.
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Feb 20, 2007 0:47:01 GMT
Post by mrw on Feb 20, 2007 0:47:01 GMT
It's kind of nitpicking, I guess... "robot" at Merriam-Webster. Definition 3 fits easily, and 2 fits also depending on your point of view. www.m-w.com/dictionary/robot
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Feb 20, 2007 4:56:54 GMT
Post by owl on Feb 20, 2007 4:56:54 GMT
I sort of mix all three definitions in my head so that they form some sort of robot-jambalaya. So according to the jambalaya, the Tic-Tocs count as robots. And when Mrs. Gogol makes jambalaya...
*reference points!*
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julieth
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Feb 20, 2007 5:02:44 GMT
Post by julieth on Feb 20, 2007 5:02:44 GMT
points for the Terry Pratchett reference! Mmm, robot jambalaya. Okay, just to make sure that this wasn't an entirely pointless post, the tictocs appear to me to be more like androids than regular robots. I guess that's their subcategory, since robots don't have to look like a living being, and androids do...
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Feb 20, 2007 5:07:20 GMT
Post by owl on Feb 20, 2007 5:07:20 GMT
Yay! *squees for Terry Prachett*
Wow, how very fangirl of me. *smack!*
They do LOOK like real things....kinda...if ticking zombie-birds (sorry, can't stop callin' em that) are real. But I associate ANDROID with a weird kind of amalgam of flesh and metal, not a purely metal thing that looks human. Though it really depends on the context.
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julieth
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Feb 20, 2007 5:15:32 GMT
Post by julieth on Feb 20, 2007 5:15:32 GMT
Well, it looks like they are at least partially organic, from the illustration on page 128. The sound effects in the previous panel only make it seem more likely to me. "snip, snip, snip, snap" sounds like someone dissecting the bird, then running into metal.
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TicToc
Feb 20, 2007 5:18:22 GMT
Post by owl on Feb 20, 2007 5:18:22 GMT
It sounds clothly to me, as if snipping through a covering over metal. But it's true, it's insides did look ather organly to me.
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TicToc
Feb 20, 2007 20:39:45 GMT
Post by rastarogue on Feb 20, 2007 20:39:45 GMT
I would define android as something that has its own robotic insides. To clarify: Somrthing that has mechanical organs and parts and "fluids" and functions like a real living organism. If they are cut they "bleed" but they are also robot like and can repair themselves.
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TicToc
Feb 20, 2007 20:46:39 GMT
Post by owl on Feb 20, 2007 20:46:39 GMT
Hmm, by that rather loose definition, many human organs are android. If you take it literally. But I know what you mean. They repair themselves, not HEAL themselves. And I thik i agree...thoug I dunno about the bleeding part. Not actual blood, at least.
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TicToc
Feb 20, 2007 20:49:26 GMT
Post by rastarogue on Feb 20, 2007 20:49:26 GMT
that is why there are quotes around "bleed" and "fluids". It might be nore like oil or something. Also I should probably add constructed not grown.
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TicToc
Feb 20, 2007 20:54:25 GMT
Post by owl on Feb 20, 2007 20:54:25 GMT
Did you just add those? *suspicious eyebrows* Because I totally did not see them when I responded to your post. Yeah, construced sounds much less...organic.
"Come to Joe's for organically grown androids! Fully Functional. Emotions not included."
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