ethyl
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TicToc
Jan 25, 2007 19:13:39 GMT
Post by ethyl on Jan 25, 2007 19:13:39 GMT
Hey all, been reading the forum and realized the tictocs come up a lot in various theories and thought they should have a thread of their own.
what we know for sure:
they're robotic
they are inside the school as well as outside.
they, or whatever is controlling them have an agenda concerning Annie (otherwise they wouldn't save her)
there's definitely more than one
they aren't only watching Annie
As someone said on a different post, they aren't working as surveillance for the school because everyone thought Annie had died when she fell off the bridge.
assumptions:
there are 1000/500 of them or they're called the thousand eyes
they are good (saving Annie)
Not many people notice them or they're so used to them that they don't even comment anymore
questions:
Are they being controlled by the school or by someone infiltrating the school?
are they sentient?
why did they save Annie?
why does Gamma refer to them as the 'thousand eyes'?
Sorry if I missed anything or if there are any mistakes. Just tell me and i'll alter the post. Dig in guys
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puck
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TicToc
Jan 25, 2007 20:37:18 GMT
Post by puck on Jan 25, 2007 20:37:18 GMT
Why do they need to be good? That dragon seemed good, but look where it got everyone...
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ethyl
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TicToc
Jan 25, 2007 20:58:30 GMT
Post by ethyl on Jan 25, 2007 20:58:30 GMT
weighing out good and bad, they saved Annie's life. I can't think of any evidence that they've done something bad except tick creepily and watch Zimmy
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TicToc
Jan 25, 2007 21:11:30 GMT
Post by amelie on Jan 25, 2007 21:11:30 GMT
Maybe they belong to those creepy agent guys who brought Zimmy to Gunnerkrigg Court?
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TicToc
Jan 25, 2007 21:14:04 GMT
Post by AluK on Jan 25, 2007 21:14:04 GMT
Saving one's life it's a good thing, but doing that according to their own agenda... I dunno.
Thousand it's just a hyperbole to emphasize their number, as there are many of them. Thousand Eyes it's a metaphorical way to say they're almost omniscient, as they're many and they're everywhere, IMO.
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TicToc
Jan 25, 2007 21:34:54 GMT
Post by rastarogue on Jan 25, 2007 21:34:54 GMT
just because they saved annie and didn't report it, doesnt mean that they are not a surveillence system. Whoever is watching the system may have known she was alive and not told anybody.
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my2k
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TicToc
Jan 26, 2007 0:20:54 GMT
Post by my2k on Jan 26, 2007 0:20:54 GMT
why does Gamma refer to them as the 'thousand eyes'? Because there are hundreds of them? The thing is, they appear whenever something big is happening or is about to happen. For this I think of them as kind of directors of fate, to use a cliched term, things that make sure events happen the way they want them to.
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TicToc
Jan 26, 2007 3:14:49 GMT
Post by Uglyhead on Jan 26, 2007 3:14:49 GMT
As someone said on a different post, they aren't working as surveillance for the school because everyone thought Annie had died when she fell off the bridge. Are they being controlled by the school or by someone infiltrating the school? It's too early to determine their function for sure - I just threw out the "Perhaps they are infiltrators from outside" theory as a possibility. They may still be working for the school - after all, perhaps their observation of Antimony is why Eglamore came back in time to tackle her away from Reynardine in chapter 3, or why he appeared on the bridge -almost- in time to save her from falling. The possible evidence is conflicting, and we don't know enough to separate it from coincidence.
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TicToc
Jan 26, 2007 4:25:26 GMT
Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 26, 2007 4:25:26 GMT
Or, you know, they could've lied to Kat.
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TicToc
Jan 26, 2007 16:22:21 GMT
Post by fjodor on Jan 26, 2007 16:22:21 GMT
As long as we have no clue as to who is in charge at GC, there's no telling what the exact function of the TicTocs is. I still go for the surveillance system theory. It's true that the people Kat was talking to did not know whether Annie was alive after she fell off the bridge, but then again, they might not be in contact with the persons who created the TicToc system.
As far as surveillance and alarm systems are concerned, I think it's remarkable that when Antimony went out to meet Robot, an alarm went off, as soon as she leaves the stairs, but Robot did not set it off when he left, nor when he came back. It would appear that the alarm is designed to keep students in, rather than keeping creepy things from Gilletie Wood out.
questions questions questions...
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TicToc
Jan 26, 2007 16:45:53 GMT
Post by Iralie on Jan 26, 2007 16:45:53 GMT
I think they might be related to the "kind old man", not as one of his things or minions or whatever he does... but more likely as servants (they seem to have some light cognisance to me,) of someone watching events or inhabitants of the area.
A third party perhaps, or merely someone we do not know yet (or at least that side of them)?
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TicToc
Jan 26, 2007 16:47:38 GMT
Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 26, 2007 16:47:38 GMT
Hmm, I think they were lying about the 'Kind Old Man', because of the way a purple chat bubble overrides Robot's sort of squarish bubbles.
Edit: Spellcheck++
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TicToc
Jan 26, 2007 17:11:07 GMT
Post by Iralie on Jan 26, 2007 17:11:07 GMT
True, what was said was probably misleading. The purple bubble on top looks to me as if there's some kind of possession or mind influencing going on.
However I think that like a myth there is a grounding in fact for it, and some entity or organisation is in the forest which has something against Reynardine (though he has probably done something to deserve it at some point); and thus due to a lack of a better name I shall refer to them/it/him/her as "nice/kind old man".
Also note - 7:20 and 7:21 the Tic Toc in them, it seems to be observing the meeting between Ani and Robot, and in 7:21 when Robot attacks Reynardine it seems to go off like an alarm. The reasons for this will probably become more apparent with time.
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TicToc
Jan 26, 2007 17:55:42 GMT
Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 26, 2007 17:55:42 GMT
I think that saying that they have an agenda concerning Antimony is assumption- who knows if they would have saved anyone else, had they fallen?
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TicToc
Jan 26, 2007 19:25:58 GMT
Post by Iralie on Jan 26, 2007 19:25:58 GMT
Indeed, saying their agenda only concerns Antimony is an assumption, they may well have saved anyone else had they fallen.
But I feel they do have an agenda, and that it relates to Antimony by at least an only slightly tenuous stretch at most. They are definitely more important than has been revealed in the comic thus far.
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aoeniac
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TicToc
Jan 26, 2007 21:46:55 GMT
Post by aoeniac on Jan 26, 2007 21:46:55 GMT
I think the "thousand eyes" part might not be a direct cause of their supposed numbers, but a RESULT of it. If every bird is connected either to each other or to some central point of surveillance, then it would make sense that a tic-toc is part of a greater construction/system that effectively has 1,000 eyes, all seeing what the others see, so if one tic-toc looks at Zimmy, whatever it is that makes her so strange and special also allows her to sense the other tic-tocs looking at her through it, or the people watching what the tic-tocks see, which either way must be a pretty uncomfortable thing to feel.
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TicToc
Jan 26, 2007 22:01:04 GMT
Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 26, 2007 22:01:04 GMT
Hmm, that would mean that each Tic-Toc would be individually sentient... I suppose that's possible, and we really don't have any support one way of the other. Personally, I don't think that they are individually sentient, but controlled by a single conciousness, a la Formics from Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game books.
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TicToc
Jan 26, 2007 23:10:59 GMT
Post by AluK on Jan 26, 2007 23:10:59 GMT
Yup, I also think hat they're some sort of collective conciousness, a là Borgs, from Star trek.
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aoeniac
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Jan 26, 2007 23:23:14 GMT
Post by aoeniac on Jan 26, 2007 23:23:14 GMT
I dunno. I get the feeling it would be less uncomfortable to be stared at by one consciousness with eyes in lots of places than to be stared at by one pair of eyes connected to thousands of consciousness...es...
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TicToc
Jan 28, 2007 2:07:45 GMT
Post by rastarogue on Jan 28, 2007 2:07:45 GMT
We have seen for a fact more than one Tic-toc in a scene, when they are saving annie. About Zimmy and the Tic-Tocs, if you think about it, Zimmy may be lacking her eyes and seeing through some other sense, and this would make her more sensitive to being watched.
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TicToc
Jan 28, 2007 3:34:55 GMT
Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 28, 2007 3:34:55 GMT
Not sure... There might not even be a 'conciousness' at all, and so Zimmy can't 'really' see them (if she sees psychically), which would creep me out... Knowing that something was watching me but not being able to see it. Then she might be able to sense them by hearing.
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TicToc
Jan 28, 2007 3:39:47 GMT
Post by alexthegreater on Jan 28, 2007 3:39:47 GMT
So you think that because she can not see with her eyes she is unable to see inanimate objects? I think she sees with her mind but i don't think that would prevent her from seeing robots and walls and other soul-less things.
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TicToc
Jan 28, 2007 3:42:29 GMT
Post by rastarogue on Jan 28, 2007 3:42:29 GMT
She may just recieve the impression of a thousand eyes watching her and not have too many details when she looks at them.
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TicToc
Jan 28, 2007 3:45:29 GMT
Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 28, 2007 3:45:29 GMT
rastarogue's post is more of what I was getting at... She knows that it can see her, and that there is something sentient behind it, but maybe not in it or an actual conciousness... Walls don't watch you. =P
Edit: Spellcheck is your friend
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TicToc
Jan 28, 2007 3:53:02 GMT
Post by rastarogue on Jan 28, 2007 3:53:02 GMT
watch Tom show up and trash this theory completely.
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TicToc
Jan 28, 2007 4:16:28 GMT
Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 28, 2007 4:16:28 GMT
That's why it's fun to make them. ^^
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TicToc
Jan 28, 2007 4:22:09 GMT
Post by mrw on Jan 28, 2007 4:22:09 GMT
Well said. If it was really easy we wouldn't bother.
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TicToc
Jan 28, 2007 21:26:50 GMT
Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 28, 2007 21:26:50 GMT
That said, I could do for something easy in this comic every once in a while... Or not, I didn't really like Dr Distaster that much.
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TicToc
Jan 28, 2007 21:57:04 GMT
Post by nyanko on Jan 28, 2007 21:57:04 GMT
Has anyone considered that Gamma might be wrong about the "thousand eyes" thing? But then, why would Tom put misinformation into the comic? If Gamma is right about the tictocs/thousand eyes, how did she come to know this?
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TicToc
Jan 29, 2007 3:04:40 GMT
Post by alexthegreater on Jan 29, 2007 3:04:40 GMT
Zimmy might of told her (or rather thought about it, Gama being a telapath and all)
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